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[superklye]

Really? Being pissed off at how you, someone who says to hate all things liberal--or at least acts like it--are acting like a ****ing fairy democrat shows that video games and porn have made me violent?

Seems more like stupidity and not taking responsibility for one's own actions is what's pissing me off.

And apparently you've either never had sex or have only had it with one boring woman, because I know plenty of girls that like it "rough." What's that tell you? Video games and porn made them like rough sex?


Tell me...were people murdered and sexually assaulted before the 1970s?

[Zelda_fan]

LOL the more you post, the more fuel you give me:

Violence:
are acting like a ****ing fairy democrat shows that video games and porn have made me violent?

Objectifying Women:
because I know plenty of girls that like it "rough."


Now to answer your question:

Tell me...were people murdered and sexually assaulted before the 1970s?
Yes, I'm sure there was. But we are not talking about the past. We are talking about now.

[kev13dd]

If people are so ****ing stupid that they can't figure out how to act by seeing how other REAL people behave in REAL LIFE, then I have no sympathy for them. Never, under any circumstance should a VIDEO GAME be blamed for how people behave in real life. I don't care what statistics show or what people say: it's called COMMON ****ING SENSE.

I've played violent countless hours of video games and watched countless hours of porn and never once have I killed anyone (or even gotten into more than a shoving spat) nor have I ever sexually assaulted a woman. And I can say the same for a vast majority of my guy friends.

Stop blaming video games and porn for the reason people act so retarded and stop letting them blame those same thigns as the reason they can't act correctly in public or in private. The only parties are fault are their parents for not beating some sense into them and showing them how REAL people act.

Ah, but I keep forgetting...it's so much easier to blame someone/something else for your own downfalls and faults. Not taking responsibility ftw!
I don't care how many hours of porn you've watched, there is a MAJOR difference between porn and video game porn. In a movie all you are doing is watching something. In a game you are literally CONTROLLING the action that takes place. And the feeling of control influences a person a LOT more than just watching

So what? There are people out there messed up in the head. Parents are to blame, but there ARE irresponsible parents out there right now, millions of them. So like it or not, there are kids right now (and adults) that can be heavily influenced by video games and such because they havn't been taught common sense or are out of touch with reality. And if I have to sacrifice my porn games in order for these creeps not to go out and molest woman, I'm willing

No one here has blamed video games for these people's downfall. I hold a person who shot up a school completely responsible regardless of their excuse. Depression, a gun held to their heads, even if it can be scientifically proven a video game heavily influenced them, they still made that choice and should be punished for it. But you know what? If this mistake can be PREVENTED by making violent video games or porn video games harder to get, then I'm all for that

Are you arguing we are wrong for wanting prevention?

K

[superklye]

By the way you are ignoring the valid points I've brought up, you've done nothing but cement the image you've made and continue to mold in every thread you post in: you're a douche that can't admit when he's wrong and that's about it.




Prior to the 1970s, there weren't video games. Guess this whole argument that violent video games and porn are the reason people kill and sexually assault others is pretty much out the window. Seems more like bad parenting and not taking responsibility for how one's children act are what cause people to act the way they do.

Don't ever reproduce. The way you keep trying to blame others and refuse to take responsibility for how you yourself act, it's fairly obvious that you
shouldn't ever have kids.




God the stupidity in this thread is at a chokingly high level.

[superklye]

I don't care how many hours of porn you've watched, there is a MAJOR difference between porn and video game porn. In a movie all you are doing is watching something. In a game you are literally CONTROLLING the action that takes place. And the feeling of control influences a person a LOT more than just watching

So what? There are people out there messed up in the head. Parents are to blame, but there ARE irresponsible parents out there right now, millions of them. So like it or not, there are kids right now (and adults) that can be heavily influenced by video games and such because they havn't been taught common sense or are out of touch with reality. And if I have to sacrifice my porn games in order for these creeps not to go out and molest woman, I'm willing

No one here has blamed video games for these people's downfall. I hold a person who shot up a school completely responsible regardless of their excuse. Depression, a gun held to their heads, even if it can be scientifically proven a video game heavily influenced them, they still made that choice and should be punished for it. But you know what? If this mistake can be PREVENTED by making violent video games or porn video games harder to get, then I'm all for that

Are you arguing we are wrong for wanting prevention?

K
Parents = prevention. Censorship does not.

EDIT: Friends can influence you to do stuff. Drugs, alcohol, robbing...whatever. So when you do something that your friends pressured you into doing, whose fault is it? Should you not be able to speak to people because you're a sheep and cannot make decisions for yourself?

Violent video games give "control" but there is still this big divide between the screen and real life: it's called the hand-held controller. You said yourself that people make the decisions...the game isn't deciding for them. Should be ban alcohol because it makes people's inhibitions looser and they do things they wouldn't normally do when sober? I mean, it's not their fault they punched the window of a car out or lit a building on fire. They were drunk!

Give me a break.

[kev13dd]

By the way you are ignoring the valid points I've brought up, you've done nothing but cement the image you've made and continue to mold in every thread you post in: you're a douche that can't admit when he's wrong and that's about it.

Prior to the 1970s, there weren't video games. Guess this whole argument that violent video games and porn are the reason people kill and sexually assault others is pretty much out the window. Seems more like bad parenting and not taking responsibility for how one's children act are what cause people to act the way they do.

Don't ever reproduce. The way you keep trying to blame others and refuse to take responsibility for how you yourself act, it's fairly obvious that you
shouldn't ever have kids.

God the stupidity in this thread is at a chokingly high level.
Please, tell me WHERE in this thread we have said violent video games are the REASON people kill and sexually assualt others. We havn't. What we have attempted to DISCUSS is the fact that porn video games have the potential to teach children that treating woman however they want is ok, which has the potential to increase sexual assualts. And why promote something mainstream at E3 that could increase sexual assaults?

There were sexual assaults before 1970. There were also murders. So you think giving every single person in the world a gun and then using the argument "there were murders before we gave all these kids guns, the fact murders still happen is null and void because of it". The fact is, we can't measure if video games have increased violence or sexual tendancies. And until we can, the responsible thing to do is at least keep porn video games aimed at a 18+ audience off the floor of an expo that tons of kids far below the age of 18 will be keeping up to date on

Prevention is the parents jobs. But AS I SAID BEFORE, there are parents who fail to teach their kids the proper morals and ethics. So since there are children growing up without their parents teaching them the right thing, we shouldn't just ignore it as people are getting raped and murdered. We can at least do out best to cancel out the negligence of the parents by not making it easy for these kids to get their hands on obsecene material

K

[superklye]

So saying that video games and porn have caused an increase in the amount of violent activity, both physically and sexually, ISN'T saying that video games are the reason people commit these acts?

EDIT: and giving a child a gun is something in REAL LIFE. Giving them a gun in a video game is just a tad bit different. They can't go and shoot mommy and daddy in a video game if they get grounded. If they had a real gun (which would be bad parenting and was a terrible example), well...






EDIT 2: Man...I really need to get back to my finals...And Kev, thank you for at least having a conversation with me. I apologize if I've pissed you off.

[kev13dd]

So saying that video games and porn have caused an increase in the amount of violent activity, both physically and sexually, ISN'T saying that video games are the reason people commit these acts?
Yes, that is true

Just because it causes an increase does not CAUSE it to happen. Sexually violent acts would still occur without video games

But the fact is, it does have the potential to teach people treating woman with disrespect is acceptable. And it could lead them to do it themselves

The thing is, I don't think pornographic games push GOOD people to do bad things. But I do believe that it can lead already violent people over an edge of acceptable behavior

K

[superklye]

Yes, that is true

Just because it causes an increase does not CAUSE it to happen. Sexually violent acts would still occur without video games

But the fact is, it does have the potential to teach people treating woman with disrespect is acceptable. And it could lead them to do it themselves

The thing is, I don't think pornographic games push GOOD people to do bad things. But I do believe that it can lead already violent people over an edge of acceptable behavior

K
I can see where you're coming from, but I still can't agree. Maybe if it was a game like the Sims, where your characters are "normal" and just live an every day life like a normal real life person.

If that were the case and extreme violence (sexually and physically) were shown to be "normal" and "okay" then I guess I would agree.

But games like GTA and the like aren't "normal" situations. Gang banging and all that stuff isn't normal.


I don't know. I kind of know what I'm trying to say but am having a hard time finding the words to say it.

[Zelda_fan]

By the way you are ignoring the valid points I've brought up, you've done nothing but cement the image you've made and continue to mold in every thread you post in: you're a douche that can't admit when he's wrong and that's about it.

Prior to the 1970s, there weren't video games. Guess this whole argument that violent video games and porn are the reason people kill and sexually assault others is pretty much out the window. Seems more like bad parenting and not taking responsibility for how one's children act are what cause people to act the way they do.

Don't ever reproduce. The way you keep trying to blame others and refuse to take responsibility for how you yourself act, it's fairly obvious that you
shouldn't ever have kids.

God the stupidity in this thread is at a chokingly high level.

Please state where I'm blaming others for how I act? I'm not.

And the whole "prior to 1970's" argument - YES I'm sure that there was sexual assult and violence before the 1970s. That's not what I'm arguing. LIKE kev said, I'm arguing that sexually oriented games casue people to objectify women.

Rather than discussing this rationally, you go off on a sh*t fit, and start throwing insults left and right. And in all honesty, I have been quite restrained considering how I usually act when someone on this forum tries to insult me.

And when did I ever call for censorship? I never did. I even said "I am against censorship." All I said was that it shouldn't be promoted in the mainstream channels where KIDS will hear about it and pick it up.

[Zelda_fan]

I can see where you're coming from, but I still can't agree.

You are aware that there is research that backs up what he is saying? You remember a long long time ago in the P&R forums? I brought up an article where a small town decided to ban porno magazines from gas stations. The sexual assult rate dropped like a rock. Months later, they changed it back. Guess what? Sexual assult rates went back up.

I used to argue to outright ban this sort of stuff. I have since changed my position on that. It is YOUR RIGHT as an American to play a porno game. However, it sure as hell needs to be kept out of mainstream channels like E3 where kids WILL read reviews of it.

[PeterJensen]

Only in America.

[Wolfhound]

Only in America.

QFT, I think is a difference in the concepts, american see violence in movies as something normal, we see sex in movies as something normal, for example in magazine stores here you have the "p*rn" magazines near the sport magazines or scientific magazines, you see the cover of Scientific American and on the left you see two big Boobies, it´s normal here, you go to buy the newspaper and pick up a playboy or a penhouse

[Nutty]

Yeah, I mean we have topless girls in national newspapers that anyone can buy too.. Just look at how America reacted at Janet Jacksons boob falling out.. If that were here, people would laugh it off and have moved on in like 5 minutes.. In America it was blown out of all proportion.

Amercia seems to be well hung up on anything sexual related. Like I say, its a screwed up world where we find blowing someones head off, more acceptable than a girl blowing a guy off ;)

I just dont think alot of people here will ever be able to agree though, because your society is soo fundamentally different, you cant help but think the way you are, even though you're wrong ;)

[kev13dd]

Once again, I'll just repeat my feelings that there is a huge difference between looking at a porno magazine or movie, and actually taking control of a virtual person in the acts

K

[Zelda_fan]

I just dont think alot of people here will ever be able to agree though, because your society is soo fundamentally different, you cant help but think the way you are, even though you're wrong ;)

Pssss. You guys are wrong. :p

[Wolfhound]

Pssss. You guys are wrong. :p

:lol:

[Wolfhound]

Once again, I'll just repeat my feelings that there is a huge difference between looking at a porno magazine or movie, and actually taking control of a virtual person in the acts

K

Same applies to violence no?, it´s not the same see Rambo killing vietcongs than take control virtually of him to kill vietcongs too, I think we are normal persons, not mentally screwed, we can distinguish between reality and games, raping a girl in a game doesn´t mean that I will do it with my girlfriend, probably she will cut my d**k and then kill me.

[Zelda_fan]

Same applies to violence no?, it´s not the same see Rambo killing vietcongs than take control virtually of him to kill vietcongs too, I think we are normal persons, not mentally screwed, we can distinguish between reality and games, raping a girl in a game doesn´t mean that I will do it with my girlfriend, probably she will cut my d**k and then kill me.

I guess the question is why would you play a game where you rape women? I mean, at least with violent games, you usually play some type of hero trying to defeat evil.

[CaptNKILL]

I guess the question is why would you play a game where you rape women? I mean, at least with violent games, you usually play some type of hero trying to defeat evil.
Yeah what the hell? Even GTA and Postal havent gone that far... yet... :|

[Wolfhound]

I guess the question is why would you play a game where you rape women? I mean, at least with violent games, you usually play some type of hero trying to defeat evil.

That´s true, it was only an example due to kev13dd comments looks like is more justified to kill with a grenade launcher seeing pieces of people all around you, than having a sexual intercouse with a nice girl

[Zelda_fan]

Yeah what the hell? Even GTA and Postal havent gone that far... yet... :|

but I mean the point still stands with GTA. At least with a game like Doom, you are killing evil demons. Which, if a situation like that ever occurred in real life, wouldn't necessairly be wrong to do. However, things like GTA where you are killing cops and bashing hookers - I mean why would soemone get enjoyement out of that.

[surfhurleydude]

Don't you have to be 18 to get into E3 anyways? What the hell is the point of this?

[CaptNKILL]

but I mean the point still stands with GTA. At least with a game like Doom, you are killing evil demons. Which, if a situation like that ever occurred in real life, wouldn't necessairly be wrong to do. However, things like GTA where you are killing cops and bashing hookers - I mean why would soemone get enjoyement out of that.
IMO its funny :p

But rape... thats quite a bit over the line... I dont think there are any games that allow you to do that.

What are we talking about again? :p

[Mr_LoL]

Don't you have to be 18 to get into E3 anyways? What the hell is the point of this?
Yeah i was wondering that myself. Censorship is getting way out of hand IMO. You only have to look at that hot cofee mod in GTA and the reaction it got.