Palomino or Thoroughbred ?

[firthy]

I am going to upgrade to an XP2100+ on my Gigabyte GA-7DX mobo and it will take both Palomino and T'bred chips.

Any reason to choose one over the other. I am leaning towards the T'bred as both are the same price and I think the T'bred might run cooler as it's .13 micron compared to .18 micron for the Palomino.

Regards,

Firthy

[Admiral Horror]

I thought Palomino ends at 2100+ and T-bred starts with XP 2200+

In case I am wrong and you are right, given that everything else is equal I think you should go with 0.13 T-bred.

Regards

[SavagePaladin]

The Tbred A is no better than the Palomino I heard, but if you know its a tbred B then go for it.

[Shinri Hikari]

The t-bred and pal both start roughly at the same, but the t-bred ends thus far at 2800+ and the pal ends at 2400+, however the pal has more on die cache and usually is more stable due to it's design and being targeted as a server chip. They are both good chips but personally i'd go with the palomino.:)

[ragejg]

HUH?

what whitepaper states decrease in cache on-chip??

I thought changes were only for the better in the move to .13 micron!!

:confused:

[ragejg]

And I thought the only server oriented chips were MP's...


To my knowledge, the Pal. was 1st outta the gate, and then when 1900's or so were released real late 2k1, the Thoro was released in 1700 1800 & 1900 configs... right alongside/interchangeable with Pal. in vendor inventories... only advertised difference being the .13 figure and the possibility of them running even cooler...

no? yes? :wtf:

[fastguy94416]

They have the same amount of cache, the only change is the .13 micron process. However, the early t-breds actually run hotter than paly's because of the unrefined .13 process and the smaller surface area the heat has to dissapate from the core. paly>t-bred A

paly<t-bred b

[Shinri Hikari]

Mp(Palomino) always had more cache, it always will. Just a little more...:)

[ragejg]

t-bird-morgan-palo-thoro... right?
(chronological order)

Palo is green, thoro is brown?

Or is color an indifferent aspect in the OGPA setup?

i ask cuz this topic has my brain aflurry :confused:

So what cores have Athlon MP's used (going all the way back to ceramic if possible)?

:crosseye:

[SavagePaladin]

My Athlon XP is a Palomino...

some random site I just pulled off a search engine-
"What is the difference between the Athlon MP and Athlon XP?

These processors are identical in architecture. Neither performs better than the other. Athlon MP processors, however, are guaranteed to work in a dual-processor configuration and in Athlon MP specific motherboards. Athlon XP CPUs do not carry this guarantee."

GamePC-
"You see, the Athlon XP is based around AMD's "Palomino" CPU architecture, which is the same architecture used with AMD's original Athlon MP processor. Thus, the processor by nature supports SMP configurations. The only way the Athlon XP wouldn't be able to run multiprocessors would be if they modified the architecture in some way, or physically removed pins or traces from the processor to halt SMP operation. Fortunately, this didn't happen."

And so on

[Shinri Hikari]

I'd like to know that guy's credentials:confused:. My Bro is a tech and a forum King with friends in high places, and he said the MP has more cache. Some of his friends have been in the game a long time, so if you think he is wrong then his experienced friends are wrong too, right?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[SavagePaladin]

I don't answer inflammatory questions, it only pisses someone off. (Or both parties.)

Everyones wrong occasionally.

[Shinri Hikari]

I didn't mean it to be, it's just that i'd be shocked if the site dude was right. I try to post good info and if the stuff i said isn't right i am in Deep.:( Sorry for the misunderstanding.:cool:

[StealthHawk]

i'm pretty sure that AthlonMP is the same as AthlonXP. there might be versions with more cache, but your typical AthlonMP is the same exact chip as the XP. in fact, the first XPs could be used as MPs because the chips weren't locked.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by ragejg
t-bird-morgan-palo-thoro... right?
(chronological order)

Palo is green, thoro is brown?

Or is color an indifferent aspect in the OGPA setup?

i ask cuz this topic has my brain aflurry :confused:

So what cores have Athlon MP's used (going all the way back to ceramic if possible)?

:crosseye:
AthlonMP started with Palomino.

Morgan is a Duron core, stay away from it ;)

[SavagePaladin]

Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
I didn't mean it to be, it's just that i'd be shocked if the site dude was right. I try to post good info and if the stuff i said isn't right i am in Deep.:( Sorry for the misunderstanding.:cool:
ok then. Well that was multiple sites, not just one. I could find even more.

But anyway. Sorry bout that over here also then :p:)

[MUYA]

With regards to a choice between the Pally and Tbreds...from what I gather around the net the Tbreds B version would be best. Notwithstanding it is based on the new .13 microns process, I have read reports that the tbreds B are good overclockers. its just I forgot where.(xbitlabs?, tweaktown..somewhere there!) I think I even remember somebdy gettting athe 1800+ tbredB or 1.53ghz to around 1.83ghz using a stock HSF (not sure but it wasa HSF nonethless). Tbred B's range from the lower 1700+ to 2800+ I think/ Tbred as only had 1 model i think? the 2200+. It seems that the tbred B cpus are the best way to get value for money ie get a lower clocked one and then overclock it using a decent cooling setup (beit HSF or otherwise) !:)

MUYA
ps-i'll try and search for the tbred b articles
here it is
http://www.xbitlabs.com/cpu/3gems-oc/

[Gator]

Originally posted by SavagePaladin
The Tbred A is no better than the Palomino I heard, but if you know its a tbred B then go for it.

not true.

A Tbred A can run several degrees cooler in temperature than a Palamino. I know this for a fact because:

My machine - Palamino1700, Thermalright AX7, Artic Silver 3, multiple fans blwing in and out of machine, midsize tower

My girlfriends machine - TBred1700, stock retail HSF, Artic Silver 3, same motherboard, midsize tower

yet her AXP1700 often runs about 4 degrees cooler than mine. So yes Tbred is worth it, and i hear they overclock better too.
:afro:

[woz_mann]

the t-bred B is much better then the palimino. I have read account (many) of 2100's t-bred B's hitting 2.3 ghz. Also the 2100 palimino chips do not OC very well at all

You can pick them up at newegg.com

as for MP's having more cache........BullCrap. the only diff between the two is the SMP compatibility. MP's are tested for SMP, if they work they are MP's, if they dont, they are XP. However not all XP's are tested for SMP so some are SMP capable. I have a friend who is running dual XP 1800's


AMD is no longer producing CPU's below 1700's, all CPU's produced now are t-bred B (some are still hard to find...ie: 2200).

The palimino chip was never used beyond 2100. when the 2200 came out it was T-bred A (VERY HOT), so it was revised to become the t-bred B (very cool)

hope that helped...........GET THE T-BRED B

[SavagePaladin]

while we're here, how do I tell a tbred B from everything else? I don't know the proc markings :(

[woz_mann]

if u are about to buy one, other then the 2200, if it is .13 micro it is t-bred B.

I dont know the exact marking myself either

[SavagePaladin]

it is the 2200 :p

[woz_mann]

then it is t-bred A

been able to fry an egg on it yet????

[SavagePaladin]

2200 was already updated to the Tbred B, problem being that there're still Palominos and Tbred As floating around.

So...

[woz_mann]

the 2200 was never a palinimo core.....but yes there are still t-bred A's floating arond