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Joe Public
05-12-06, 06:28 AM
If the 7600GT is released on AGP, won't it compete directly with the 7800GS? (I'm talking the vanilla 7800GS). Performancewise the two cards seem to be somewhat equal to me.

Superfly
05-12-06, 06:30 AM
Yes your right, which is why I've always said AGP wont see the 7600GT.

Maybe the 7600GS but not the GT.

shpuntik
05-12-06, 07:27 AM
"(I'm talking the vanilla 7800GS)"
I never knew there was a vanilla 7800GS. Do you mean 7800GS vs. 7800GS OC or just 7800 AGP non GS which does not exist.

Joe Public
05-12-06, 07:37 AM
Well, I guess I meant the ones running the G70 with 16 pp and 375/1200 stock speeds. And then you have the custom designed ones like Gainwards with G70 w/20 pp (7800GT cores).

But let's narrow it down to the standard 7800GS. I still feel there is direct competition.

snowmanwithahat
05-12-06, 10:14 PM
Yes your right, which is why I've always said AGP wont see the 7600GT.

Maybe the 7600GS but not the GT.

exactly my thoughts, you won't see a 7600 GT because it just wouldn't make sense for nvidia to put more time into developing an AGP version

mark501
05-13-06, 05:12 AM
I got fed up waiting for new AGP-cards. The very few agp-cards released the 12-16 months have been overpriced and poor performers. 6800GS and 7800GS comes to mind. I bet the 7600 AGP will be no different.

I bought myself a cheap 7600GT + a PCIe mobo. Cost me less then a 7800GS.

micron
05-13-06, 06:04 PM
I bought myself a cheap 7600GT + a PCIe mobo. Cost me less then a 7800GS.
It also doesnt perform as well.

Whatever floats yer boat;)

Superfly
05-13-06, 06:11 PM
It also doesnt perform as well.

Whatever floats yer boat;)

I tested this directly with another user @ 1280x1024 16xAF & 4xAA a stock 7600GT was only 2fps slower than the uber overclocked 7800GS

but hey - whatever floats your boat. ;)

oh not forgetting the fact you can almost buy two 7600GT's for the price of one of those 7800's.

micron
05-13-06, 07:04 PM
I tested this directly with another user @ 1280x1024 16xAF & 4xAA a stock 7600GT was only 2fps slower than the uber overclocked 7800GS


Thats pretty funny:type:

Superfly
05-14-06, 01:33 AM
Thats pretty funny:type:

similar reaction to the last guy, truth hurts (especially when your wallets taken a hit too).

micron
05-14-06, 05:23 PM
It's not easy finding a performance comparison of these two cards on the web. If anyone know's of one, I would appreciate a link.

jeffmd
05-14-06, 07:57 PM
the 7800gs OC (its only a couple bucks more then the normal clocked), while lacking the bang for the buck the 6800gs and 7600gt has, still out performs them by a clear margin. If you have a pretty solid system allready (2600+mhz minimum and over a gig of memory running atleast 333mhz) then you can save yourself alot of trouble and buy the 7800GS. Upgrading everything to a simular peforming 64bit system would cost the same but require more work. Also it looks like we may see even more pinout changes on cpus so if you bought a new mobo now, chances are you will be needing another when the next upgrade comes around.

micron
05-14-06, 08:20 PM
if you bought a new mobo now, chances are you will be needing another when the next upgrade comes around.
The mobo I'm running now, although silly sounding, supports socket 939, M2, AGP, and PCI-e together.

I dont know how much I'll like a socket M2 add in card, but so far, my 939 processor is performing well.

coldpower27
05-14-06, 09:45 PM
I will say this again,

a Nvidia reference clock rate 7600 GT offers equivalent performance to the Nivida reference clock rate 7800 GS AGP unless you encounter a bandwidth limited scenario, which typically doesn't occur till you past above 16x12 4XAA/8xAF.

7600 GT 560MHZ/1400MHZ
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/geforce-7600-7900/index.x?pg=8

BFG 7800 GS OC 400MHZ/1250MHZ over stock 375MHZ/1200MHZ
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2006q1/geforce-7800gs/index.x?pg=4

Both systems are as follows:
Athlon 64x2 4800+
2x1GB DDR400 2.5-3-3-8

Quake 4

1024x768 4xAA/8XAF
7600 GT = 61.6 FPS
7800 GS = 63.6 FPS

1280x1024 4XAA/8XAF
7600 GT = 42.7 FPS
7800 GS = 44.4 FPS

1600x1200 4XAA/8XAF
7600 GT = 31.3 FPS
7800 GS = 30.4 FPS

Half Life 2: Lost Coast

1024x768 HDR 16xAF
7600 GT = 62.7 FPS
7800 GS = 63.6 FPS

1280x1024 HDR 16xAF
7600 GT = 49.5 FPS
7800 GS = 50.0 FPS

1600x1200 HDR 16XAF
7600 GT = 34.7 FPS
7800 GS = 34.9 FPS

Well, I will let you read the rest by yourself, but you get the idea.

MadKent
05-14-06, 10:15 PM
Reminds me of the days when people were comparing ATI 9700 Pro vs 9800 Pro. Similar benchmarks but 9800 much better in actual gaming. Go figure.

micron
05-14-06, 10:27 PM
a Nvidia reference clock rate 7600 GT offers equivalent performance to the Nivida reference clock rate 7800 GS AGP
And therein lies the problem with my thick head. When the 7800GS overclocks over 100Mhz out of the box, it's hard for me to garner much attention to it's default benchmark scores.

I cannot help but to rate these cards at what their full potential will be in the hands of someone who know's how to overclock.

I dunno:(

MadKent
05-14-06, 10:35 PM
it is better to buy a 7600GT + pcie mobo than a 7800gs.

Well, unless you already have a Socket-939 CPU you will need one of those as well, and a decent one will cost you at least as much as your 7600 GT + mobo so we're talking at least $500 here. Most people who buy a 7800 GS do it precisely because they'd rather wait a year or so until that $500 buys them something much faster than what they can get now.

jeffmd
05-15-06, 09:59 AM
Your a retard if you buy a referenced clocked 7800gs..why are you comparing it?

john19055
05-15-06, 10:40 AM
Is'nt the 7800GS a 256bit iterface and the 7600GT only 128.

bordewisser
05-15-06, 10:45 AM
Your a retard if you buy a referenced clocked 7800gs..why are you comparing it?

Care to explain? I bought one and use it overclocked. I do not feel like a retard...

coldpower27
05-15-06, 10:50 AM
And therein lies the problem with my thick head. When the 7800GS overclocks over 100Mhz out of the box, it's hard for me to garner much attention to it's default benchmark scores.

I cannot help but to rate these cards at what their full potential will be in the hands of someone who know's how to overclock.

I dunno:(

An overclocked card is not guranteed item, unless you buy a factory overclocked version. Those aren't default benchmark scores anyway, it's already clocked at 400MHZ/1250MHZ.

You comparison does represent a minority. Banking on a overclock, which is not a gurantee is not a valid basis for comparison form my perspective.

Superfly
05-15-06, 11:01 AM
An overclocked card is not guranteed item, unless you buy a factory overclocked version. Those aren't default benchmark scores anyway, it's already clocked at 400MHZ/1250MHZ.

You comparison does represent a minority. Banking on a overclock, which is not a gurantee is not a valid basis for comparison form my perspective.

Some people just dont get that though mate, assuming you'll get xyz as an O/C before deciding what card to buy is dumb.

also lets not forget that a huge majority of NV customers would'nt even know what overclocking is, thus they run the 7800GS at stock.

you just cant compare O/C'd and default cards, its pointless at best.

Redeemed
05-16-06, 12:06 PM
Some people just dont get that though mate, assuming you'll get xyz as an O/C before deciding what card to buy is dumb.

also lets not forget that a huge majority of NV customers would'nt even know what overclocking is, thus they run the 7800GS at stock.

you just cant compare O/C'd and default cards, its pointless at best.


Though I agree 100%, it is still fair to say that the odds of getting a 7800GS that doesn't OC well are slim.

Anyways, I'm probably gonna' go SLi this time next month. There is no word of new AGP cards (high end cards that is) and my 6800GT just wont cut it till x-mas 07. So, a good pair of 7900GTXs with my 3700 and 2 gigs of DDR500 CAS3 ram should run real purty-like. ;)

Then again, if we see a 7900GT equivalent for AGP I'd probably go that route. Sure am getting impatient though.

saweetnesstrev
05-16-06, 12:43 PM
I want the 7600GT for 200 dollars, last me 8+ months to i get enough money to buy vista and a new system, does it have a HDMI so i connect it to my HDTV? (im use to running a crappy FX 5900)

MadKent
05-16-06, 12:48 PM
Is'nt the 7800GS a 256bit iterface and the 7600GT only 128.

Yes.