Hey GR Talkin, whats with all the propaganda??

[Onde Pik]

Ok I first noticed it in your first news post, debating a flash movie that has already been talked alot about in the forums. You insinuate that Visiontek is an ATI partner and that ATI partners are scared of GFFX, even though nobody really knows if Visiontek is partner to ANYBODY after they had to turn the key. And they have little if anything to do with ANY of the other ATI partners.

When I saw the source was chipset3d, I thought "Oh Good riddence, this is just a quote from some wierdo who has extensive Nvidia fanboy attitude." But when I looked it actually occured to me that u wrote this your self.

Oh well, I didnt really care much. Its your first news post and stuff.


Now you post a "story" about how techsupport ROCKS with one Nvidia partner and how u think it really sucks at ATI. And I simply had to write something in ur guys feedback section. And u end the "news" post with a mocking and pretty lame(IMO) line like "Whose card ya you gonna buy now?".

If this was posted in the forum, I would have rolled my eyes. But seriously do you really believe it is fitting on the front page??? I mean, the 2 first news posts you make... both shortly after starting here both look verymuch like a petty persons post who has a grudge against somebody.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[Indog]

Agreed 100%, I was just about to type up basically the same thing. If you want to compare tech support, you better cover each ATI partner, Hercules, Sapphire, Crucial etc. Choosing two card vendors tech support and comparing them, that's silly. I agree that 24/7 tech support is nice (but notice they don't claim anywhere that it's 365....), but IMHO they will eventually realize like every other company that supporting for free indefinitely isn't financially feasible.

On the run? If I'm an ATI partner, I'm not scared with the relatively poor GFFX reviews and the R350 coming out soon. Misleading? You mean someone could have their volume too low and not get an idea about how loud the dusbuster really is right? See, you have to think about these things from all angles.

Both of those front page posts reek of fanboyism, not journalism.

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by Indog
Both of those front page posts reek of fanboyism, not journalism.

I agree. But I have to take issue with the following, which from what I gather (after reading through your godawful rambling) is from a review you did:

Of significant note here is the perfect 10 scored for performance. We don't just hand out 10s for no reason. The MX 440 configuration is the most potent card for the buck we have ever looked at.

Do I take this to mean you gave a 10/10 score to a GeForce4 MX? I have to ask what you were smoking when you did that and where the rest of us can get some.

[Kruno]

Do I take this to mean you gave a 10/10 score to a GeForce4 MX? I have to ask what you were smoking when you did that and where the rest of us can get some.

So? If he/she likes the GF4MX that much then why shouldn't he/she give it a 10/10?
Remember, you are dealing with peoples opinions.

Attacking opinions is never a good idea.

[PreservedSwine]

At least ATI has a phone number for support.

I dare you to find Nvidia's customer support phone#.

As far as I can tell, Nvidia doesn't even give you the opportunity to call them.


*insert Paul Harvey*

.....And that's........... the rest of the story.....

[saturnotaku]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine
At least ATI has a phone number for support.

I dare you to find Nvidia's customer support phone#.

As far as I can tell, Nvidia doesn't even give you the opportunity to call them.


Because NVIDIA's not the one who makes the cards. Gainward, Abit, Asus, et al do so they're the ones who need to provide support. If ATI didn't make cards as well, then that would be a valid arguement.

Attacking opinions is never a good idea.

Then I'd like to see the review in its entirety so I can offer feedback/criticism/whatever. I'm having a hard time seeing how someone could give a perfect score to a card that's nothing more than a glorified GeForce2, especially when cards like the GeForce3 Ti200 were available that were in most cases faster than the 4 MX, while supporting programmable shaders and the like. It's all part of the journalistic cycle - the writers/reviewer report, the readers react with however they feel.

[DaveBaumann]

When B3D posters have accused NVNEW’s of being biased against ATI Mike has protested (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20) that the news does cover a broad base, with both the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ for all vendors. However, with news posts like these one has to question whether he’s really serious about that, as it’s obvious the posts are incredibly slanted.

IMO Mike needs to take stock and ask what he’s really trying to run here. If it’s an NVIDIA fan site, then fine, these type of posts are part and parcel of the equation I guess, and NVNEW’s will take the flack for it on other sites. If he’s really serious about running news that doesn’t offer a blatant slant in one direction then, IMO, he needs to look for News posters that can offer a less slanted outlook on the industry.

[PreservedSwine]

Originally posted by saturnotaku
[B] If ATI didn't make cards as well, then that would be a valid arguement.

[b]



Ahh, so you've seen the light. It *is* an invalid comparison. It's simply not an apples to apples comparison. How can one blast ATI charging/minute, when Nvidia doesn't even make cards? I do think it's pretty lame of ATI to do so, but, to bow before Nvidia b/c of this is absurd.

You may as well bow before all of ATI's 3rd party manufactureres as well.

Any reason the author didn't mention that?

EDIT: Also, had to add, this guy gave a Geforce4MX 10 out of 10, and called it the best bang for the buck.<------speechless

[Venom]

I completely agree with Onde Pik. He's the definition of an Nvidiot (emphasis on idiot) and is a biased-worthless-newsposter. I've been at this site since the begining (was the 20th registered member of the original forum), and in only a matter of minutes he has posted the worst pieces of news I have ever seen at nvnews.net. Nice job :/

Can we have a news filter? I'd like to skip over the pure crap and actually read some real news. At least I can skip any review he writes, unless I feel I need some comical relief that day.

[vampireuk]

I think some of you guys need to get out more, you are taking a bit of text to heart:rolleyes:

If he’s really serious about running news that doesn’t offer a blatant slant in one direction then, IMO, he needs to look for News posters that can offer a less slanted outlook on the industry.

And here you are giving the idea that every newsposter here just loves to bash other companies.

Please offer some proof to where I, Volt, the baron or anyone else for example has been constantly posting biased news? Can't find any proof?:rolleyes:

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by Onde Pik
I mean, the 2 first news posts you make... both shortly after starting here both look verymuch like a petty persons post who has a grudge against somebody.


Coming from the guy who found humour in nvnews been hacked.....:rolleyes:

[Kruno]

Originally posted by DaveBaumann
When B3D posters have accused NVNEW’s of being biased against ATI Mike has protested (http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2407&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20) that the news does cover a broad base, with both the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ for all vendors. However, with news posts like these one has to question whether he’s really serious about that, as it’s obvious the posts are incredibly slanted.

IMO Mike needs to take stock and ask what he’s really trying to run here. If it’s an NVIDIA fan site, then fine, these type of posts are part and parcel of the equation I guess, and NVNEW’s will take the flack for it on other sites. If he’s really serious about running news that doesn’t offer a blatant slant in one direction then, IMO, he needs to look for News posters that can offer a less slanted outlook on the industry.

Are you refering to this post:

As my first story had me thinking about VisionTek, I was reminded of the fact that some of the good peeps from that very company had moved on and gotten BFG Technologies up and running. So, I decided to stop by BFG and take a peek around. One thing of major interest that I spied there was this…

1-866-BFGFIXX (1-866-234-3499)

Know what that is? It's BFG Technologies’ 24/7/365 Toll free tech support line for their NVIDIA based cards. Yep, no kidding. All day, any day. I assume that even means if you should crack into a Christmas present, find a BFG card and then run into a little spot of trouble getting it up and running, you can call ‘em and they'll be there. Sweet! Sucky for the guy or gal that has to pull that Cristams morning tech support shift but hey, so long as it ain’t me!

Now check this out...

$1.25 US per minute
900-733-2841
M-F 9AM-7PM EST

You know what that is?

I'll tell ya. It's ATI's version of customer care. Yep, after thirty days "ya gots ta pay, Boy". And, that is as cheap as it gets. Once your free (if yer lucky) 30 days is up you pay and it only goes up from that amount too. I guess they gotta raise some fundage for the driver team somehow!

Whose card ya you gonna buy now?

[Mark_fox]

I like nVidia and all that but man, these few posts have really been biased as hell, even the biggest nVidiot would see that...then again, this is nvnews - so maybe the bias should be expected...

[Kruno]

Originally posted by Mark_fox
I like nVidia and all that but man, these few posts have really been biased as hell, even the biggest nVidiot would see that...then again, this is nvnews - so maybe the bias should be expected...

I really don't know who in particular you are trying to pick a slanging match with, Mike had not posted that news post.
GR Talkin had posted it.

(BTW: I am not looking for a slanging match)
:D

[Mark_fox]

I didn't say Mike, I thought in a "Hey GR Talkin, whats with all the propaganda??" thread it would be clear I was referring to GR Talkin. Sorry! :angel:

[Kruno]

Originally posted by Mark_fox
I didn't say Mike, I thought in a "Hey GR Talkin, whats with all the propaganda??" thread it would be clear I was referring to GR Talkin. Sorry! :angel:

Oh, then my apologies. :)


On another note: I didn't know what this thread was about until I read your post. (despite the fact that I was discussing the same thing) :)

[digitalwanderer]

I don't have a problem with different people having different bias', that's why crayolas come in boxes of 64. ;)

This constant bickering about who is an nVidiot/fanATIc is getting old, people do not have to be on one side or the other and their feelings can change over time. (*COUGH-COUGH*markfoxpostingforbest9700proprices*COUGH-COUGH* ;) )

I think focusing on the personalities is just a distraction on focusing on the cards. (Well, aside from being fun and all... :p )

But at the end of the day, they're still just video cards and far from signifigant in the greater scheme of things. I'll hypocrite myself before the day is out on that statement, but I know I do and I do it because it's fun for me to distract meself from my daily grind....but please keep in mind that this is just about viddy cards and don't take it too personally either way. ;)

I'll now let y'all tear in to each other again, it's sort of fun to watch.

[Kruno]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
I don't have a problem with different people having different bias', that's why crayolas come in boxes of 64. ;)

This constant bickering about who is an nVidiot/fanATIc is getting old, people do not have to be on one side or the other and their feelings can change over time. (*COUGH-COUGH*markfoxpostingforbest9700proprices*COUGH-COUGH* ;) )

I think focusing on the personalities is just a distraction on focusing on the cards. (Well, aside from being fun and all... :p )

But at the end of the day, they're still just video cards and far from signifigant in the greater scheme of things. I'll hypocrite myself before the day is out on that statement, but I know I do and I do it because it's fun for me to distract meself from my daily grind....but please keep in mind that this is just about viddy cards and don't take it too personally either way. ;)

I'll now let y'all tear in to each other again, it's sort of fun to watch.

Tell that to Derek Smart, I think he was banned from Beyond3D after a slanging match about Ati's drivers.
All we need is to bring DS here and we will have abnormal/sick slanging match.

[Mark_fox]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
This constant bickering about who is an nVidiot/fanATIc is getting old, people do not have to be on one side or the other and their feelings can change over time. (*COUGH-COUGH*markfoxpostingforbest9700proprices*COUGH-COUGH* ;) )

Well, hehe, I was posting truth, you cannot argue with the fact that Radeon 9700 Pro from Crucial costs £232.64, though you might argue that:
1. It’s not a good card - it’s not worth £232.64
2. Geforce FX is a bargain so why get Radeon 9700 Pro for 232.64
etc etc...

(Oh btw, digitalwanderer was referring to this post I made (http://www.warp2search.net/article.php?sid=10327&mode=&order=0&thold=0).

[Solomon]

I've been labeled as a variety of things. It first started that I was Pro Nvidia because of me criticizing the motherboard issues with the initial 9700 Pro's. Then now I'm Pro ATi because I've been criticizing Nvidia's Ti4800 and the FX.

You can't please everyone. Do I really care if die hard ATi or Nvidia users harp on me? Hell no. It's just computer hardware. If most of the die hards would back away from their shrines they have nestled in their closets they would notice this.

Plus, I don't understand why people are so dismayed with GR Talking. If he wants to harp on ATi or what not. Let him. If you guys don't like what's on a site. Just visit another site. It's just mind boggling that you get harped on and flame email because some individuals don't like what you post. Hehehehe. It's like wathching TV. You don't like it, change the channel.

This is a Nvidia site no? If you don't expect to be a little Nvidia Biased here then something is up. After all the name of the website then should be changed to something other then nV. You see the same ***** going on at Rage3D. You just deal with it or don't visit the site. Is this such a hard concept to understand?

Regards,
D. Solomon Jr.
*********.com

[vampireuk]

Amen to that:cool:

[netape]

I agree with "fanATIcs". Am I a "fanATIc" now? :confused:

[Uttar]

The problem is that in the past, this site wasn't so biased.
So, we've been visiting it supposing that.

Now, if it becomes biased, you might not visit it anymore. And considering how you found the site good before that, you'd probably prefer to continue visiting a good site rather than stopping to visit a bad one.

Just IMO, of course. I think GR Talking would be fine if he looked a little less nVidia biased. Being a little biased is np, but being heavily biased is not.


Uttar

[Onde Pik]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Coming from the guy who found humour in nvnews been hacked.....:rolleyes:

Alot of guys barked a laugh at that, I have been hacked too and I laughed at that too. I never laughed at u guys losing data, I actually told how sorry I was when u lost forum data. I do like this site, but every news post like GR's and replies like this one makes me like it a bit less. Well maybe you don't care, but I do. I tried not to be hostile and put this in as kind a way I could, but honestly I dont believe that those posts are appropriate.

The fact is that there is a big diffrence between a reply to a thread in a forum by a person who is complete non affiliated with the site. And news posts posted on the front page of a very sucessful vidiocard news site, news posts posted by an official person representing the site.

Im sorry if I offended you by my post, I really didnt mean to, but your reply indicates that I did. Sorry d00d :)

[pelly]

Personally, I was more than a bit disappointed when I saw such a blatant "Pro-NVIDIA" post on the front page of nV News...especially after all the effort I made to remove the "fanboy" stigma from the website ( which was unjustly given in the first-place IMHO ).

Being an NVIDIA-based website does not mean that nV News has to be biased towards NVIDIA products. It certainly does not dictate that nV News has to have the "fanboy" mentality either...Rather, all it means is that when NVIDIA does something well, it gets a great deal of attention. You can praise a product without being a fanboy by not being blind to other good products.

Using the BFG vs. ATI post as an example, we find that all the major ATI-vendors have been ignored. When making such a bold statement, you should always cover all bases to avoid the "fanboy" stigma.

Having been the driving force behind the first ATI review on nV News ( controversial without question ), I feel as though I am warranted in sharing some thoughts on this subject. My objective in reviewing the ATI card was to illustrate the fact that nV News was an unbiased source for the leading news in computer graphics. The perspectives and conclusions found within each review were reputable and could be trusted. To ensure the public's trust of each review, I could always be found in forums ( Rage3D included ) clarifying any issues and fielding further questions. Personally, I looked at the nV News community as fans of NVIDIA products, but above all....fans of the best graphics technology ( regardless of vendor ).

Unfortunately, one or two posts like this voids all the efforts made on my part. Perhaps I was wrong about nV News from the start...Perhaps nV News should only focus on NVIDIA products in the future. Regardless, I stand by my actions and views and are pleased with the state I left nV News. Now being a member of HardOCP, I realize that my input here might not mean anything...However, I hope people can take something from this post and it influences a decision or two in the future...