I've seen the NV35 and it's good

[Hellbinder]

I have now been made privy to the exact Nv35 Specs, and its approximate release dates.

Let me say that it would behoove any Nvidia fan to just pretend that the Nv30 is a myth and wait a few more months. Nv35 is DEFINITELY going to deliver the goods that everyone in Nvidia land was hoping for with the Nv30. The only Question will be wether they address the FSAA issues or not. Trust me the Nv35 is one sweet piece of hardware. Its only Real downside will be it has to go against the R400. However, If your motto is *Nvidia the way its meant to be played* then this is the card for you.

Here is a Vague Generalization of Performance and Release time frame.

-Radeon 9700Pro
-Nv30 Ultra (released later with questionable performance advantage
-R350 (hits the street at approx. same time as Nv30 with better performance and better FSAA)
-Nv35 (Hits the street before R400 and kicks some performance ass)
-R400 (True next gen board, hits the street shortly after the Nv35, complete Dx9 spec fulfillment with an unknown performance lead (it could be quite significant)
-Nv40 (arrives late Q1 2004 with a likely similar approach as the R400, with an unknown performance level, undoubtedly Nv40 will outperform the R400.. based on sheer logistics and time frame.)

I Can Assure you that this even though vague information is better than anything you are going to read at the inquirerer, Digit-Life or other Rumor pushing site. The Truth is that While ATi will have the lead for the foreseeable future, the Nv35 and Nv40 will be Great products.

If you are an Nvidia follower, and looking for a place to hang your Hat this year.. look no further than the Nv35.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
I have now been made privey to the exact Nv35 Specs, and its approximate release dates.

Let me say that it would behoove any Nvidia fan to just pretend that the Nv30 is a myth and wait a few more months. Nv35 is DEFINITELY going to deliver the goods that everyone in Nvidia land was hoping for with the Nv30. The only Question will be wether they address the FSAA issues or not. Trust me the Nv35 is one sweet piece of hardware. Its only Real downside will be it has to go against the R400. However, If your motto is *Nvidia the way its ment to be played* then this is the card for you.

Here is a Vague Generalization of Performance and Release timeframe.

-Radeon 9700Pro
-Nv30 Ultra (released later with questionable performance advantage
-R350 (hits the street at apprx same time as Nv30 with better performance and better FSAA)
-Nv35 (Hits the street before R400 and kicks some performance ass)
-R400 (True next gen board, hits the street shortly after the Nv35, complete Dx9 spec fulfillment with an unknown performance lead (it could be quite significant)
-Nv40 (arrives late Q1 2004 with a likeley similar approach as the R400, with an unknown performance level, undoubtedly Nv40 will outperform the R400.. based on sheer logistics and timeframe.)

I Can Assure you that this even though vague information is better than anything you are going to read at the inquirerer, Digit-Life or other Rumor pushing site. The Truth is that While ATi will have the lead for the forseeable future, the Nv35 and Nv40 will be Great products.

If you are an Nvidia follower, and looking for a place to hang your Hat this year.. look no further than the Nv35.

can we sue you if you are wrong or do you absolve yourself of any responsibility as to the acuracy of this product timeline :D

[Uttar]

Lucky you! Official specs! Making performance guesses from rumors certainly isn't as efficient :(

The things I've been told ( but I didn't get any details, and it was from just fairly reliable people, not nVidia officials ) certainly show a VERY impressive product.
In fact, I'm not even certain the R400 will be able to beat it.

The R400 architecture seems so different ( and ambitious ) from the rumors we're seeing around the internet, that it simply amazes me. However, it also seems quite different so drivers might become a problem for ATI, thus giving amazing performance boosts over time but not being as fast as the NV35 originally. That is, unless they delayed their release date.

You're saying the R400 is going to be released AFTER the NV35... Are you sure of that? AFAIK, it was going to be the opposite...
Are you guestimating on the R400 release date, or do you have serious info about it too? :)

Damn, I wish I had exact specs too...


Uttar

[unbiasedfool]

Will the NV35 be >2x or <2x the performance of GeforceFX?

I think the R400 will kick the **** out of NV35.
Why? Because it's 0,13 (just look at the clock speeds ATi was able to get out of the R300 - and even the R350), it's atleast 256 bit momory bus, QDR-RAM... and *here comes the big thing*... IT'S ATi WHO MAKES IT!!! :afro:

Why don't you guys share your information with us uninformed?

Trust me the Nv35 is one sweet piece of hardware.We were told the same thing about the NV30 - even by hardwaresites.

[Hellbinder]

The only thing that could keep the Nv35 from launching before the R400 would be some hardware bug. However, there is no way on earth that Nvidia is about to let time creep up on them to allow that to happen.

Unfortunately, no.. The Nv35 is not even close to what the R400 will bring to the table. I can say right now that the Nv35 *HAS* to launch before the R400. Its that simple. You are right that Drivers may come into play with the R400, it is an interesting beast to be sure.

You have to realize that the Nv35 is basically the Fruition of what Nvidia wanted to do with the Nv30. Thus ultimately what you are going to get is a Balls to the Wall Nv30 with the *appropriate* internal technologies in place to make that happen. Of course what are we really talking aobut here with the Nv35/R400 matchup. The R400 will have a considerable technology lead, and some major innovations. Most of which are under the hood, behind the scenes. Fill rate will be off the hook, as well as bandwidth, and some AMAZING FSAA Perfoamcnce, and Offerings. Nv40 will later follow suit and play the one up game, followed by more of the one up game till someone screws up.

Nv35 will be available before Doom-III hits the street. Count on it.

[digitalwanderer]

I always like the info you give me as it usually pans out, and if it doesn't it's usually due to unforseen circumstances that come up.

One BIG question for me right now, there is a rumor floating around that the R350 is going to be a budget R300 chip and actually have less performance...do you know anything either way on this? (This is JUST a rumor I've been hearing folks, I don't think it's right...at least I'm HOPING it ain't.!)

[unbiasedfool]

HB -> what about sharing some of your information?
I respect that you don't say things you are not allowed to say... but all the other thing, get it out dude :)

[Steppy]

NV40 by early 2004 seems pretty unlikely to me. 12 months between every NV core since NV10, and the only time they TRIED to squeeze that to 6 months(NV25 - NV30), it was delayed long enough for the year to once again pass between those two cores. For NV40 to come out early 2004 they'd have to get TWO cores out 6 months apart in 1 year...something they haven't been able to do ONCE in 3 years.

[Hellbinder]

Steppy,

Not if Nv35 hits the steet before the end of summer ;) That gives them 8 more months to finalize the Nv40. Also remember the Nv30 was Officially Announed in November last year. Work on Nv35 started some time ago.

And No, The R350 is definitley NOT a cut down R300 with less performance. Quite the opposite I assure you. Thats really all I can say at this time. I am pushing it just posting these vague Generalizations.

It is simply going to be a crazy year with everyone leapfrogging each other and the introduxtion of the Xabre-II and Delta Chrome. Its going to be a LOT harder to be a diehard Fanboy in the near futrure. We are heading for a return to the golden era. Back when there were about 4 choices that wew all reasonabley close, each with something cool to offer.

[Uttar]

Hellbinder:
The dates you're posting seem way too aggressive, and really unlikely.
Why? 0.09 won't be ready in early 2004 AFAIK, and NV40 is based on 0.09 according to official information. They could have changed plans, however.

NV35 hitting before end of summer? Maybe. But that sounds more like limited avaibility on the 31th of August :)
My info is certainly older than yours, so I could be wrong.

As for the R400... You say fillrate and bandwidth will be "off the hook". Err, eDRAM & TBDR? That seems insane...


Uttar

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
And No, The R350 is definitley NOT a cut down R300 with less performance. Quite the opposite I assure you. Thats really all I can say at this time. I am pushing it just posting these vague Generalizations.

Thanks, it is appreciated and I'll quit pestering ya. :)

BTW-Methinks they left a "V" out of the following quote, but it's a VERY important "V"!

by Jen-Hsun Huang,chief executive and co-founder of Santa Clara-based Nvidia
And by the time Nvidia gets the GeForce FX to the market, ATI will be almost ready to launch a low-cost version of last fall's chip, a project that is code-named the R350.

You don't suppose someone slipped up and left the "V" out of that codename, do you? The RV350 is the cut-down R300 chip I thought, the R350 is a newer faster chip; isn't it?

It could be an honest mistake/typo, but considering the importance of it to the context of what they're talking about..... :hmm:

(Yes, the above is a cut-n-paste from a post on another site...but it's my post so it ain't quite plagerism, is it? :p )

[volt]

-MOVED TO HARDWARE RUMOR MILL-

[Steppy]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Steppy,

Not if Nv35 hits the steet before the end of summer ;) That gives them 8 more months to finalize the Nv40. Also remember the Nv30 was Officially Announed in November last year. Work on Nv35 started some time ago.

And No, The R350 is definitley NOT a cut down R300 with less performance. Quite the opposite I assure you. Thats really all I can say at this time. I am pushing it just posting these vague Generalizations.

It is simply going to be a crazy year with everyone leapfrogging each other and the introduxtion of the Xabre-II and Delta Chrome. Its going to be a LOT harder to be a diehard Fanboy in the near futrure. We are heading for a return to the golden era. Back when there were about 4 choices that wew all reasonabley close, each with something cool to offer. I'll believe it when I see it...even if NV35 comes out before the end of summer, I think they'll have a hard time pushing NV40 out only 8 months later.

[Evildeus]

We don't deny that ATI has a wonderful product and it took the performance lead from us. But if they think they're going to hold onto it, they're smoking something hallucinogenic . :afro: :D
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/business/5093187.htm

[Uttar]

That comment about hallucinogenic influences on ATI comes from the person who also said "Do you suck? Because, if you do, say it!" to one of his project teams :D


Uttar

[Hellbinder]

We don't deny that ATI has a wonderful product and it took the performance lead from us. But if they think they're going to hold onto it, they're smoking something hallucinogenic .


That all depends on Which moment in time you are refering to don't it? Sure Nv35 will take the crown back, thats for sure.. but it will be a short lived hollow victory.

I think the days of anyone owning the performacne crown for a significant length of time are over.

[unbiasedfool]

I think the days of anyone owning the performacne crown for a significant length of time are over.
Sure hope so... much more fun being a fan of a graphiccard company than fan of a soccer club :)

[Fotis]

I hope Hellbinder is right and nv35 comes earlier than expected.Competition is always good but I just can't handle another dustbuster.Lets hope for normal cooling with nv35.

I agree with Uttar on the nv40 timeframe.As its been said nv40 will be on 0.09 which probably translates in a summer release along R500.

I'll probably pass on r400 & nv35 and go for a DX10 card next year.

[volt]

No mention of bus type ? :p

[AngelGraves13]

I'll stick to what I've always been doing, only buying second generation chips. I'm glad that Hellbinder can confirm for us that the nv35 is going to be what we're really waiting for. Nvidia has been kicked hard, and now that they're getting back up....they're gonna kick back harder and harder and faster until they kill the competition. The X-Box took manpower and time from Nvidia, and they maybe lost some track....but now they're back. As the commentary on the front page says, when Jen-Hsun Huang gets mad....he starts pushing out the big guns. This will be a very interesting year indeed. I want my nv35!! Doom III also!!

BTW, Hellbinder do you know if the nv35 will have 256 MB memory bandwidth?? I know it's going to have very mature drivers and I'm hoping they address the FSAA and AF performance hit and IQ.

[Fotis]

IMO the best thing is that we might see nv35&R400 launch side by side.No more waiting like in the nv30 case. :)

[Hellbinder]

I agree with Uttar on the nv40 timeframe.As its been said nv40 will be on 0.09 which probably translates in a summer release along R500.


That would be a collossal Mistake.

Although i will admit that perhaps what they will do is introduce an Nv39 or something instead of the Nv40. However, i think that anything you read about the Nv40 from months ago no longer holds any relavence to what is actually going to happen. ATi established to big a lead. Nvidia cannot dink around with half generation upgrades and keep the technology mindshare going any longer.

As much as i have told you about R400, R500 is a COLOSSAL technology jump even over the R400.

[volt]

I suppose there will be something between R400 and 500.

[Evildeus]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
That all depends on Which moment in time you are refering to don't it? Sure Nv35 will take the crown back, thats for sure.. but it will be a short lived hollow victory.

I think the days of anyone owning the performacne crown for a significant length of time are over.
Didn't CMKRNL told you that NV35 would put Nvidia right on track (against R400)? ;)

[surfhurleydude]

Nv35 will be available before Doom-III hits the street. Count on it.

I'm glad you think so highly of the NV35, as we all pretty much know that by simply adding the 256-bit bus to it ALONE will solve so much of its 'balance' problems, etc. But I don't know any more than that. Anyhow, You do realize Doom-III is going to be out before the middle of May? If you do realize it...then... :eek: :eek: :eek: