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JamesDax
05-31-06, 03:24 PM
AMD - ATI merger looks likely. (http://www.forbes.com/2006/05/31/amd-ati-technologies-0531markets10.html?partner=yahootix)
I always thougth that if such a thing happened it would be AMD/Nvidia. So, what do you guys think??
Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 03:26 PM
AMD (about to get it's ass whopped with Conroe) merges with ATI (currently getting it's ass whooped by nVidia). What kind of business logic is that?
JamesDax
05-31-06, 03:29 PM
Not sure what what you said has to do with anything. But, ok.
Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 03:31 PM
Not sure what what you said has to do with anything. But, ok.
I'm saying two companies aren't doing well at all. It makes no sense for two struggeling companies to merge.
Riptide
05-31-06, 03:35 PM
It's just the opinion of an analyst. Doesn't necessarily mean anything concrete.
JamesDax
05-31-06, 03:36 PM
I'm saying two companies aren't doing well at all. It makes no sense for two struggeling companies to merge.
Wait? You think AMD and ATI are struggling???
Don't mind Zelda_fan that isn't his first stupid remark.
Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 03:43 PM
Wait? You think AMD and ATI are struggling???
Wether you choose to admit it or not, ATI IS struggling. The 6x and 7x series have dominated. For two generations, ATI has been completely dominated. Not to mention, nVidia has always owned ATI in the chipset business.
AMD WILL be struggling. Once Conroe launches, no one in their right mind will buy AMD until their next gen architecture comes out. A real shame becasue AMD was just starting to make some headway against intel.
Don't mind Zelda_fan that isn't his first stupid remark.
Wow what a great argument. Maybe next time you can tell me where I'm wrong instead of running your mouth.
Riptide
05-31-06, 03:50 PM
Some of it depends on pricing. But I imagine AMD will be painted into a corner there as well. Intel will be better able to undercut them if they want.
Wether you choose to admit it or not, ATI IS struggling. The 6x and 7x series have dominated. For two generations, ATI has been completely dominated. Not to mention, nVidia has always owned ATI in the chipset business.
AMD WILL be struggling. Once Conroe launches, no one in their right mind will buy AMD until their next gen architecture comes out. A real shame becasue AMD was just starting to make some headway against intel.
Wow what a great argument. Maybe next time you can tell me where I'm wrong instead of running your mouth.
Well, it looks like both companies would be "struggling"(not sure if this is the right word since both companies are doing better than they've done in recent years) according to the nasdaq charts :
ATI - http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/AdvancedChart.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Ffinance%2Fmktguideap ps%2Fcompinfo%2FAdvancedChart.jhtml.6
Nvidia - http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/AdvancedChart.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Ffinance%2Fmktguideap ps%2Fcompinfo%2FAdvancedChart.jhtml.6
Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 04:06 PM
Well, it looks like both companies would be "struggling"(not sure if this is the right word since both companies are doing better than they've done in recent years) according to the nasdaq charts :
ATI - http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/AdvancedChart.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Ffinance%2Fmktguideap ps%2Fcompinfo%2FAdvancedChart.jhtml.6
Nvidia - http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/AdvancedChart.jhtml?_DARGS=%2Ffinance%2Fmktguideap ps%2Fcompinfo%2FAdvancedChart.jhtml.6
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Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 04:09 PM
I looked it up myself
http://www.forbes.com/finance/mktguideapps/compinfo/AdvancedChart.jhtml?symbol=ATYT
In the past 6 months ATI has fluctuated between 14 and 17 points.
earnings per share in the last twelve months is -.26
I'd say they are struggeling.
AMD WILL be struggling. Once Conroe launches, no one in their right mind will buy AMD until their next gen architecture comes out.
I find that sentence kind of funny. "Until" being the operative word. So, AMD will own Intel, again, once their next gen architecture comes out? Probably so. Wow, you were right, for once.
Zelda_fan
05-31-06, 04:27 PM
I find that sentence kind of funny. "Until" being the operative word. So, AMD will own Intel, again, once their next gen architecture comes out? Probably so. Wow, you were right, for once.
"Until" meaning it could go either way. I'm sure intel isn't going to sit around jerking off once they launch Core2. AMD could pull a Pentium4 with their next gen architecture.
JamesDax
05-31-06, 04:31 PM
At any rate, none of this has anything to do with weather AMD and ATI will merger. If they did I'm sure it would be a good thing for both companies and the consumer.
superklye
05-31-06, 04:34 PM
At any rate, none of this has anything to do with weather AMD and ATI will merger. If they did I'm sure it would be a good thing for both companies and the consumer.
Exactly. More funds to pool and the knowledge pool would be enormous.
While I don't care much for ATI, if it means AMD gets better and bigger, then I'm all for it.
nutball
05-31-06, 04:47 PM
I dunno, I'm not entirely convinced it's a good idea. What would NVIDIA do? Cosy up to Intel of course. Currently consumers have lots of combinations to choose between (AMD / Intel CPUs, NVIDIA / ATI / [Intel] chipsets, NVIDIA / ATI GPUs).
With two axes forming between AMD/ATI and Intel/NVIDIA I can't see our range of choice increasing. Want AMD CPU on an NVIDIA chipset? Sorry, you're SOL. Want to run NVIDIA SLI on your AMD CPU and ATI chipset? No no no young man, that sort of thing just doesn't happen.
Ati and AMD partnering reminds me of when Sears and Kmart partnerd up. Didnt do much but generate a few cents on the nasdaq for a few weeks.
I'm not saying its a bad idea, with ATI supposedly having the better dx10 card r600 is rumored to be a monster, and AMD surely has a new gen of cpus coming in the not so distant future.
I agree with you zelda, to a point, but I think the problem is you have to think about tomorrow not just today. AMD/ATI could be a great merger if a year from now the r600 ends up being the power house they say and amd brings out a new arch that pwns conroe.
Sure Ati blows big soggy milk chunks right now ( I had a x1900xtx, ati sucks.period.end.) but that doesnt mean a merger wouldnt bring a bright future.
I just dont like the idea of a cpu and gpu company bonding like that. Takes away too many options for the consumer.
Zelda_fan, have you ever heard about the Parrondo Paradox - when you combine two losing strategies it's most likely you'll end up with a winning combination. ;)
Daneel Olivaw
05-31-06, 08:07 PM
Dont people realize that the only reason desktop Ati GPUs are not competitive bang for buck wise is because Ati had been concentrating on the Xbox 360 at the same time as the X1*** generation?
But their GPUs do not currently suck at all. Neither do AMD's cpus!!!!!!
Rakeesh
05-31-06, 08:16 PM
I don't think this would be a good thing for either AMD or ATI.
Redeemed
05-31-06, 08:40 PM
Well, from what I have gathered by the benchmarks, the X1900s and GF 7900s are rather tie on the performance front. Granted, the X1900s run hotter, and the driver support isn't as good as with nVidia- performance wise they really aren't hurting.
As for AMD- they currently have a heads up on Conroe.
AM2 motherboards and CPUs are available NOW. People can get them NOW. Conroe is still months off, nobody KNOWS how well the FINAL PRODUCT will perform. In regards to sells, AMD has a better start on Conroe already due to thier product being out several months earlier than Intels. This is one way nVidia has kept ahead of ATI (which came out first, the 6800U or the X800XT PE? Again, which came first, the 7800GTX or the X1800XTX? Now, which company currently has the most sales?).
saturnotaku
05-31-06, 08:48 PM
While I don't care much for ATI, if it means AMD gets better and bigger, then I'm all for it.
Bigger, certainly. Better, well, I think the jury is still out on that one. ;)
AMD (about to get it's ass whopped with Conroe) merges with ATI (currently getting it's ass whooped by nVidia). What kind of business logic is that?
Simmer down there Zelda_fanboi. :D
You guys crack me up.
Each company has its good products and bad products. I pick the one that best suits me at the time I am ready to buy.
Redeemed
05-31-06, 08:57 PM
Simmer down there Zelda_fanboi.
You guys crack me up.
Each company has its good products and bad products. I pick the one that best suits me at the time I am ready to buy.
I agree. Being a fanboy has no benefits at all. If anything, it could just cost you a lot more money that necessary. Really. If Intel puts out the better cpu when I building my next rig- that is what I'm going with. If ATI has the better graphics solutions, that is what company I'm going with. Granted, there are more variables I'd take into consideration before making the purchase- but as a generality that is pretty accurate.
But I don't necessarily think I like the idea of AMD joining up with any GPU company as that removes options from the consumer- not such a good thing. The more market diversity (options), the better.
Just as I don't like how Dell bought Alienware. Now who is there to compete with them? HP? Gateway? Emachines? Monarch? Not much huh?
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