ATI's R600 taped out?

[retsam]

One R600 faster or even as fast as 2x 8800GTX ? Not a chance...
well im talking from a price purfomance point, then it might be worth it but outside of that i dont think its worth it...we never know what cool features this card is going to have that will set it apart from the g80...

[EvilEye]

Wrong post...

[Phuccinnutt]

One R600 faster or even as fast as 2x 8800GTX ? Not a chance...
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What a joke the product isnt even out and someone is quoting that it will beat two 8800GTX. ATI should just concentrate on getting the R600 out first and with that knowing that your engineers worked hard and in doing so the rewards might be there. Just faceit Nvidia won this battle, and there will be many more battles. But most of all we all must like there is more than one graphics making doing excellent jobs at makeing our fun get better each time a card comes out. And for the R600 is was also delayed once again...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768
So ATI fans can continue to wait, so far thats what you guys are good at WAITING..:captnkill:

[Morrow]

ya, im thinking the same thing...but if this is as fast as say 2x8800's then it might be worth the price.

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Also AMD is still working on enhancing the performance of the drivers for R600 and we heard that the performance few weeks ago is just almost on par with GeForce 8800GTX and there is a potential to go another 20-30% more.

There goes your R600 is as fast as two GF8800GTXs.

[retsam]

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There goes your R600 is as fast as two GF8800GTXs.
the key word there is "if"...;)

[Morrow]

;) I noticed the "if" in your previous post but like yourself most probably, I was also expecting much more from the R600 than these reports now indicate. I'm rather disappointed that ATI's much hyped Wunderkind R600 now barely beats the six-month-old GF8800GTX.

I wonder what AMD/ATI really means with "repositioning"? When ATI was bought by AMD, some articles hinted that AMD might not be interesting in fighting nvidia like ATI did and trying everything to maintain the performance crown. I even think that without the buyout, ATI would not have been much longer able to keep up the race with nvidia due to lack of ressources (mostly financially).

Six-month-cycles require lots of engineering and financial ressources and ATI is again failing at delievering their goods without being at least 6 months late.

So what does AMD mean with "repositioning"? For my part, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD tries to reposition ATI to a Matrox-like level which basically means that AMD only needs ATI to have their own mainstream and low-level GPU solutions, which are cheap to manufacture and easy to implement onto their own products. Performance is no longer important, only costs and integration is, much like Intel's and Matrox's solutions.

This means the R600 is 100% the opposite of what AMD really wants. The R600 is big, hot and expensive to manufacture and not meant to be integrated into anything. So AMD needs to rethink what they will be doing with the R600 and how the marketing should be done.

I believe the next big GPU architecture from AMD/ATI will be a completely different design than ATI ever did before to better suit their (AMD's) needs.

[retsam]

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What a joke the product isnt even out and someone is quoting that it will beat two 8800GTX. ATI should just concentrate on getting the R600 out first and with that knowing that your engineers worked hard and in doing so the rewards might be there. Just faceit Nvidia won this battle, and there will be many more battles. But most of all we all must like there is more than one graphics making doing excellent jobs at makeing our fun get better each time a card comes out. And for the R600 is was also delayed once again...
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37768
So ATI fans can continue to wait, so far thats what you guys are good at WAITING..:captnkill:why dont you go back and re-read what i wrote. seems to me that reading is fundamental to you.

[jAkUp]

So what does AMD mean with "repositioning"? For my part, I wouldn't be surprised if AMD tries to reposition ATI to a Matrox-like level which basically means that AMD only needs ATI to have their own mainstream and low-level GPU solutions, which are cheap to manufacture and easy to implement onto their own products. Performance is no longer important, only costs and integration is, much like Intel's and Matrox's solutions.

I doubt that, performance/gaming is still very important over at AMD, you can see this with their 4x4 platform which is marketed towards gamers... you don't win gamers over with a Matrox level graphics card :)

[[EOCF] Tim]

:thumbdwn: :thumbdwn: R600 is coming END OF JUNE!!!!! :thumbdwn: :thumbdwn:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700269


The news marked the first performance numbers AMD has provided for the chip that packs four Opteron cores on a single die and will be in production this fall. AMD also demonstrated working versions of its next-generation graphics chip the R600 to be released by the end of June.

Separately, AMD gave one of the first public demos of the R600, its next-generation graphics controller that uses 320 multiply-accumulate units. The company showed a Barcelona-based system using two 200W R600 graphics cards to hit a terabit/second benchmark.

Release of the R600 has been delayed "a few weeks" so that AMD can roll out a full suite of graphics chips covering multiple market segments for the latest Microsoft DirectX 10 applications programming interface. Rival Nvidia rolled out its high-end DX10 graphics controller, the GeForce 8800 last fall but has not filled out its product line with midrange and low-end parts based on it yet.

"As soon as AMD makes their DX10 announcements, I am sure we will hear about competing products from Nvidia," said McCarron.


Worst....delay....ever.

[mullet]

More of the same pic's and a little info.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Berlind/?p=364

Fortunately, I had my Nikon D70 dSLR out and I snapped a bunch of photos. Then, during the press conference, executive VP of AMD's Visual and Media Businesses Dave Orton (who came to AMD through the company's acquisition of ATI) said that he'd give us a peek at the boards as well as the insides of the demo boxes. But, for some reason, that phase of the press conference never happened (I think everyone simply forgot). So, I asked if they wouldn't mind if I posted the pictures that I snapped just prior to the beginning of the event. AMD agreed on the ground that I'd refer to the unit as a prototype. One of the pictures I took appears below an the rest are in a screen gallery that I just posted. Unfortunately, between the protective cover and the heat sink, there isn't a whole lot to see

[MUYA]

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7193/amd_roadmap_update_on_r600_details_confirmed/index.html

[lightman]

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/7193/amd_roadmap_update_on_r600_details_confirmed/index.html

All I see is more marketing bull****, and a 240W expected power requirement for a single card.

Moreover, in the first picture, notice how dragonhead is spelled differently in the two cases, and how the image of the non-OEM card is a rendering (and a ****ty one, too), that means that probabily noone has still one in his hands...

[KasuCode]

GSPPU?


"Inquirer" DAAMIT'S R600 SIMPLY can't be called a GPU anymore. GPU stands for Graphics Processing Unit, while R600 can be shortly described as GSPPU - Graphics, Sound and Physics Processing Unit.
It seems now that the System-on-a-Chip concept implemented in R600 was far beyond anything Graphzilla's rider Jen-Hsun ever talked about, and the roar of angry beast will be heard in city of Satan Clara.

We hear that Sound Physics has been buzzed for quite some time, and we are massaging our contacts to bring you as much detail as possible. It seems that R600 GPU will be less CPU-bound than it has been in the past, since a lot more parts of the scene will be calculated and rendered on the GPU itself.

R600 combines graphics with audio and physics process in a whole another way, and those 64 vect5D shader pipelines yield in 320 scalar units total, directly comparable to Nvidia's 128 scalar ones. Now, 128 scalar units at 1.35 GHz is still a tad more efficient that ATi's own 320 at 740 MHz, but ATi's pipeline is more complex than it was previously thought.

Who'd ahev thought that ATI would overtake Nvidia in a race to multi-purpose GPU and make consoles of today with their PowerPC CPUs look so 1990s? Perhaps R600 was really worth the wait after all. µ

[Morrow]

I doubt that, performance/gaming is still very important over at AMD, you can see this with their 4x4 platform which is marketed towards gamers... you don't win gamers over with a Matrox level graphics card :)

So I guess I was right with my prediction. AMD no longer is able or wants to keep up with nvidia concerning performance. Much like Matrox they now only focus on features (marketing bla bla) and low production cost.

Performance is still much better than what Matrox normally delievers but the fact that they are not able to match a 6 months-old card performance-wise by a long shot, confirms that they dropped it. AMD was never interested in the enthousiastic market when they acquired ATI. They only needed the knowledge and the engineers from ATI to complete their goal to offer low-cost, good performance cards with other bonuses like on-board sound-cards.

I know understand what AMD meant with "repositioning".

[g-a-m-e]

meaning they are aiming for the middle segment ?

That would suck for us in the long run :thumbdwn:

I think they did try, but just failed.

[Sazar]

I doubt that, performance/gaming is still very important over at AMD, you can see this with their 4x4 platform which is marketed towards gamers... you don't win gamers over with a Matrox level graphics card :)

The 4x4 platform though is essentially a place-holder till the k8l procs hit the market.

[Alesr50]

VR-Zone Review:

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4946&s=1

[jAkUp]

VR-Zone Review:

http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=4946&s=1
Thats worthy of a new thread :D

EDIT:

Missed the one in the other graphics forum.

[jAkUp]

Lets keep the discussion here:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1253826