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windycityguy
06-14-06, 02:29 PM
Mike Hara, VP Investor Relations talked about Nvidia's next-gen GPU
on 5/24/2006.

assumed to be the G80 aka NV50



Q: When's your next gen part?


Mike Hara:

A: "Well, you know GPUs are getting so large and so complex the timing
of it is almost one of those things that the timing of it is 'it comes
out when it comes out'. . .as much as you try to plan it for a certain
event it really is on a schedule that says 'when it's done it's done'.
. .now the reason why that works, at least for the high-end. . .the
first high-end gpu that comes out. . .is because it is going to get
purchased by enthusiasts who really don't care if it is Christmas, the
middle of summer, or spring. If it has a discernible advantage over the
last gpu, they'll buy it. So our schedule right now on the next
generation GeForce [Hmm, that's the first time we've heard them confirm
it is still 'GeForce'?] is going to be second half, and the objective
is to hit it for 'back to school'. But fundamentally we're really just
targeting second half. Which means that the current GeForce 7 family,
with the exception of the high-end, is really the family you're going
to see in the back to school cycle. [So what I got out of that: if next
spin goes well, they hit 'back to school' for a high-end part. If not,
it'll be later. And no full family simultaneous launch.] But this one
is. . .we kind of describe it inside the company as. . . 'this is
probably the biggest architectural change in the company's history from
one generation to the next' [Hmm!] I'll give you a little bit of
insight. . .this device is going to be over half a billion transistors
large. It will, without doubt, be the most complex device being built
in the semi-conductor business today. So the current schedule right now
is to have it in the second half. And we'll do typical, which is a
'hard launch', which means we'll launch it when it's actually available
in retail."

audio: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZRUFCLGL

ew2x4
06-14-06, 02:36 PM
I plan on getting one of the higher end one of these solely for Crysis. Oh and that whole architect job i have.

jAkUp
06-14-06, 02:44 PM
:drooling:

windycityguy
06-14-06, 02:52 PM
I plan on getting one of the higher end one of these solely for Crysis. Oh and that whole architect job i have.


I plan getting the refresh of G80, the G90 / NV55, or whatever Nvidia decides to call it (not just a speed bumped/tweated G80, ala G71 over G70.

The G90/NV55 which Nvidia is working on right now, (in addition to several GPU generations beyond NV5x) will be on 65nm for certain, be more refined, and be perfect for my next planned upgrade, in late 2007.

Mr_LoL
06-14-06, 02:53 PM
Drool. Cant wait for the next gen cards to come out. I predict a big leap in performance like the 5900 to the 6800 series.

MrSavoy
06-14-06, 05:30 PM
I'll take 2 G80's fresh from the oven. Kthanksbye. :)(nana2) (nana2)

Seriously though the G80 will be my upgrade path come this fall or xmas(whenever its ready).

ArrowMk84
06-14-06, 05:36 PM
I'll take 2 G80's fresh from the oven. Kthanksbye. :)(nana2) (nana2)

Seriously though the G80 will be my upgrade path come this fall or xmas(whenever its ready).

I that case, I'll take the next two. Forget the 7950!

nukem
06-14-06, 09:03 PM
I really do hope that they get it out for the back to school season. I need to buy a laptop for college and it would be nice to have an 8 series in it.

mike686
06-14-06, 09:07 PM
^^

I join you with :drooling:

Just continuing the cycle ^^ :drooling:

BTW, what do you guys think they will call the new GeForces after the 8800? Will they be 9800? What about after that? GeForce 10800?

kenyee
06-14-06, 09:15 PM
I'll take 2 G80's fresh from the oven

Don't you mean, "put 2 G80s in a system and make it an oven?"...bet you can cook a pie in your system :-)

coldpower27
06-14-06, 10:02 PM
Half A Billion transistors is pretty incredible, not many items of the semi conductors industry could match.

Especially if it's on the 90nm or 80nm process nodes, this is getting way out of ahnd for the die sizes you know.

So is Nvidia accounting for the Itanium 2 Madison-9M processor which has 592 million Transistors or the Xeon MP Tulsa which has 1.72 Billion Transistors?

At half a Billion transistors that sure would be quite a feat if it's a single die product.

einstein_314
06-14-06, 11:06 PM
nope, it will be called... X800 series (nana2)
And there will probably be a X800XTX PE XXX edition too!! :D

This card could be pretty sick from the sounds of it :drooling:

Joe Public
06-15-06, 06:00 AM
I hear the power requirements could be humongous. Well, it was just a rumour, but still.... With that many transistors eating power, I can imagine.

windycityguy
06-15-06, 05:00 PM
Half A Billion transistors is pretty incredible, not many items of the semi conductors industry could match.

Especially if it's on the 90nm or 80nm process nodes, this is getting way out of ahnd for the die sizes you know.

So is Nvidia accounting for the Itanium 2 Madison-9M processor which has 592 million Transistors or the Xeon MP Tulsa which has 1.72 Billion Transistors?

At half a Billion transistors that sure would be quite a feat if it's a single die product.



I'm not very familar with those specific Intel CPUs, though I have heard of Intel CPUs with over a billion transistors.

is that Xeon MP Tulsa with 1.72 billion transistors all on a single die ?

windycityguy
06-15-06, 05:11 PM
I remember over 2 years ago, Nvidia was projecting its GPUs would reach ~5.5 billion transistors, 10 TFLOPs, 127 billion verts/sec, 3 TeraBytes of graphics bandwidth, among other specs, on a 20nm process, by 2014.


http://img475.imageshack.us/img475/5104/nvidia12nl.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5189/nvidia21ro.jpg
http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/6832/nvidia32im.jpg

http://www.digit-life.com/archive.shtml?2004/0422


are they on track based on the leap from NV40 in mid 2004 to G80 in late 2006?


based on 2006 - 65nm - 520M transistors (G80 obviously) they just might.

but will G80 be on 65nm or 90nm ? I think it's set for 90nm.

tieros
06-15-06, 05:39 PM
That's a whole lotta transistors :)

A memory controller per shader? Or maybe they just moved the RAM onboard :) Perhaps they integrated a CPU into their core to counteract any AMD/ATi merger rumors :D

agentkay
06-15-06, 06:28 PM
but will G80 be on 65nm or 90nm ? I think it's set for 90nm.

AFAIK, the first high-end G80 GPU, will debut on 80nm. The low (and maybe mid) end G80 variants will most likely debut on 65nm a few months later. The G80 high-end refresh (summer 2007) should be ready to debut on 65nm. This strategy (similar to the G70/71 one) is conservative and not too risky and it definitly wouldn´t surprise me if Nvidia would decide to use it again, especially if they get a headstart of one or even more months on ATIs R600.

windycityguy
06-16-06, 03:29 PM
AFAIK, the first high-end G80 GPU, will debut on 80nm. The low (and maybe mid) end G80 variants will most likely debut on 65nm a few months later. The G80 high-end refresh (summer 2007) should be ready to debut on 65nm. This strategy (similar to the G70/71 one) is conservative and not too risky and it definitly wouldn´t surprise me if Nvidia would decide to use it again, especially if they get a headstart of one or even more months on ATIs R600.


ahh thanks, forgot about 80nm.

so highen 80nm G80 in late 2006, then lowend + maybe midend G80 variants on 65nm in early 2007, then highend G80 refresh ('NV55') summer 2007 on mature 65nm process. sounds good to me :D

FearMeAll
06-16-06, 04:49 PM
can't wait to get it running in quad sli

Bman212121
06-17-06, 03:51 PM
And there will probably be a X800XTX PE XXX edition too!! :D

This card could be pretty sick from the sounds of it :drooling:

Actually, they will probably stick with their naming convention, so: X800GTX KO XXX!! And I'm with the rest of the crowd, going to update when it comes out so I can play UT2007 better. Also, can't forget to :drooling:

jAkUp
06-17-06, 04:02 PM
At rumors of 300w's a piece... I am beginning to wonder if we will even see a quad G80 :(

a12ctic
06-17-06, 04:24 PM
multi card setups are just plain silly, you can play pretty much any game on the 7900GTX at high resolution+high settings

jAkUp
06-17-06, 04:32 PM
Not with AA/AF and High Resolutions.

Tuork
06-17-06, 04:39 PM
When they say "back to school" what time of year are they referring to?
Summer '07 or late this year?

Also, when should we expect the budget and mid-range DX10 card to come out?

Hmm... all this has left me doubting wether or not to upgrade this summer... :o

a12ctic
06-17-06, 04:40 PM
whatever, im not gona argue about it, in my opinion its a big waste of money.