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taitou
06-19-06, 08:07 AM
Hi, this is my first post here, so please be gentle :)

I've been reading through the forums and it seems that with my current specs, I may aswell get a 6800GS rather than the 7800GS, as it won't make enough difference to be worth the extra 100.

Specs -

Windows XP Pro
1.9Ghz Althon XP
768MB DDR RAM
GeforceFX 5200 128MB

I thinking about getting the Gainward Golden Sample 6800GS 512MB or the Gainward 7800GS with 7800GT chip, but I get the feeling my CPU might bottleneck the 7800GS too much.

However, I don't want to upgrade my CPU yet, because it would mean getting a new motherboard, and if I do that, I may aswell upgrade everything to PCI-E, RAID, Athlon 64 etc etc, which I can't afford..

Any help would be greatly appreciated, it's taken me about a month to get back into understanding all the new tech around now (I kinda lost attention around geforce 3) and I want to make sure I get the choice right. :)

Superfly
06-19-06, 08:10 AM
yeh if your gonna buy AGP i'd spend as little cash as possible.

taitou
06-19-06, 08:35 AM
The thing is, I want to get the best performing AGP card I can get so that this current setup lasts as long as possible before I have to upgrade everything.

Basically, I want to be able to play FarCry, Half Life 2, Unreal Tournament 2004 all at high, tasty detail and I want to be able to run UT2007 and SPORE!! :)

So, I suppose I'm asking whether the 6800GS 512MB will be enough, or whether I'll need the 7800GS?

Superfly
06-19-06, 08:40 AM
you would need the 7800GS if your after future proofing.

taitou
06-19-06, 08:53 AM
Ok, but when I do upgrade everything, I'll be getting a PCI-E card, new CPU etc.

So is the difference between 6800GS and 7800GS (when working with a 1.9Ghz CPU) enough to make it worth spending 100 extra? And will my 1.9Ghz with 6800GS be able to run SPORE and UT2007 or would I need the 7800GS?

Thanks for the replies. :)

a12ctic
06-19-06, 09:10 AM
i dont know about the 7800GS, your cpu might boddlekneck

gb0008
06-19-06, 09:10 AM
So is the difference between 6800GS and 7800GS (when working with a 1.9Ghz CPU) enough to make it worth spending 100 extra?

No, the difference in performance between the 2 video cards will not be enough with your current system to justify spending that amount of money.

So I would definitely get the 6800GS and save more money toward upgrading for a complete system in the future.

snowmanwithahat
06-19-06, 10:12 AM
No, the difference in performance between the 2 video cards will not be enough with your current system to justify spending that amount of money.

So I would definitely get the 6800GS and save more money toward upgrading for a complete system in the future.

i agree, i'm not trying to harsh your melon, but it's not going to run ut2k7 or spore very well even with a new video card, you're amount of memory is very limiting and your cpu is also going to be a bottleneck

taitou
06-19-06, 10:13 AM
Thanks all, I think that's cleared up my mind a bit, I was finding it harder and harder to convince myself to spend over 250 on a graphics card... I think 150 ish sounds a lot nicer :)

One more thing though, do you know what PSU I'll need to run the Gainward 6800GS Golden Sample 512MB AGP? I'm worried mine isn't powerful enough, I think it's about 300W.

mike2h
06-19-06, 11:18 AM
Thanks all, I think that's cleared up my mind a bit, I was finding it harder and harder to convince myself to spend over 250 on a graphics card... I think 150 ish sounds a lot nicer :)

One more thing though, do you know what PSU I'll need to run the Gainward 6800GS Golden Sample 512MB AGP? I'm worried mine isn't powerful enough, I think it's about 300W.
why buy the 512 vers? save yourself some more $$ & buy the cheapest mainstream vers you can find.

Redeemed
06-19-06, 11:24 AM
Thanks all, I think that's cleared up my mind a bit, I was finding it harder and harder to convince myself to spend over 250 on a graphics card... I think 150 ish sounds a lot nicer

One more thing though, do you know what PSU I'll need to run the Gainward 6800GS Golden Sample 512MB AGP? I'm worried mine isn't powerful enough, I think it's about 300W.

I purchased the eVGA 6800GS CO for my brother's computer. It had a bit of a heat issue even with the fan at 100%. It was a simple fix though, I dropped the clock and mem speeds down to 350/1000 and it ran like a charm at reasonable temps. Also, I successfully unlocked the pipes so it is now a ful-on 6800GT. I aim to throw some better cooling on it eventually and OC it to hopefully around 400/1.2. My current GT can do that so I hope his GS can aswell.

Overall great card and I don't think that you will regret getting it. My 6800GT still screams in many of today's latest games. Heck, I can play Quake4 at 16 x 12 with 2xQ AA/16xAF and everything set to High- and it remains playable for the most part- though at certain points it WILL chop up.

As for the PSU- I'd say get one now that you could use with your newer system. Therefore, you already have it when you go to upgrade. ;) If you want SLi and you'll be going with a pair of top-end cards then probably get 550watts or more. You want to make sure you get one with a high amount of amps.

If SLi isn't what you'll be going for in the future, then 450 to 550 watts with high amps is what I'd recommend. If I'm off somebody here will correct me I'm sure. ;)

Delbert
06-19-06, 11:36 AM
I have an AGP 6800GT and with my old P4 2.53ghz was totally CPU limited in all games. Put in a nice AMD64 3200 Venice ( o/c to 2.6 ) and my frames per second have doubled ( DOOM3 1600x1200 2xAA UltraQuality = 64fps ).
In your position, i would spend as little as possible on an AGP card with that CPU ( 256Meg Mem will be enough ) and put the extra towards the major upgrade.

Redeemed
06-20-06, 03:33 AM
I have an AGP 6800GT and with my old P4 2.53ghz was totally CPU limited in all games. Put in a nice AMD64 3200 Venice ( o/c to 2.6 ) and my frames per second have doubled ( DOOM3 1600x1200 2xAA UltraQuality = 64fps ).
In your position, i would spend as little as possible on an AGP card with that CPU ( 256Meg Mem will be enough ) and put the extra towards the major upgrade.

I second this statement. Go with the 6800GS and don't look back. The money you save could then be put towards a new system. Good advice for sure.

taitou
06-20-06, 05:27 AM
Thanks to everyone for the great advice, looks like I'll getting the 6800GS, only one question remains... which manufacturer? I have a personal preference for Gainward, but I've heard good things about XFX and BFG..

Also, I found out last night that I have a 400W PSU, woo! Seems to be 12v too, but I can't be certain.

Delbert
06-20-06, 05:41 AM
If i was you i would get this to tide me over until you can afford the full upgrade.
http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/105927 ( great price also ).
Okay it only has 128MB, but it has the 256bit wide bus ( GS only has 128bit i understand ). It should still be able to run most games at decent frame rates, and most of them seem to 'unlockable'. Your CPU will probably still be the bottleneck with one.
JMO... good luck

Edit:- Oops.. my bad.. looks like this only has the 128bit wide bus also.... IMO, still not worth spending a packet on anything else though... peace

jeffmd
06-20-06, 11:11 PM
Saddly this thread fails of logic. If you are trying to keep your AGP system alive for as long as possible (especialy since the pci and cpu market is still in a bit of flux, with a new socket every 4 weeks, and several sli solutions in play), you cant do any better then the best agp card, a super clocked 7800gs. Saving 20 bucks hear could be the difference of having to spend 500 bucks 6 months from now and 12 months from now.

taitou
06-22-06, 06:48 PM
if it were $20 difference between the 6800GS and 7800GS I'd agree, but I'm in the UK and the difference is about 100! Roughly $180. So I think I'm still going to go with the 6800 and wait for the day to come to upgrade everything at the same time, M/B, RAM, RAID HDD, PCI-E, new CPU etc etc..

By the way, I found out I have a 400W power supply, so that should be ok :)

AndreUY1980
06-28-06, 10:24 AM
I have the 7800GS+(7900gt gpu) and push hard on my CPU,but in temperaute not in performance,I have a P4 HT 3.40GHZ,but the higher frame buffer(Vram) makes games load faster.
Just be sure to have a good power supply and cooling for you CPU.
Also if you look the benchmarks with the 7800GS and GS+ there is a big gain in performance.
I don't see the point of people talking bad about agp,if you have a good computer like mine HP,2Gb ram,3.40GHz P4HT,and more of 50GB of workstation software installed is a BIG hassle to get a new mobo,OS,and reinstall everything for the sake of PCI X manufacturers,they can make more rich with other stupid people , not me.