View Full Version : What do you think of this anti-oil theory arguments ?
The first one of the page, from Dave H. He proves, well at least he believes so, why US is going to attack Iraq not for Oil.
I don't agree with him, although he makes everything looks plausible, possibily due to years of thinking this way and trying to making things logical to himself, or possibly because he is just right
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4201&start=80
digitalwanderer
02-08-03, 11:04 AM
...it's about control of the oil. Sure we could buy it in a second for cheap dropping sanctions, but if they decided they didn't want to sell us anymore we'd be high & dry.
It's a control issue, and that's the big point that analysis failed to take into account by making it a dollar issue. Their whole line of reasoning was skewered after that. :(
LORD-eX-Bu
02-08-03, 12:11 PM
I'm good for oil:firedevil But really, I'd prefer hydrogen:D
If it was totally about oil and the total control of Iraq's oil then why didn't we go all the way to Bbaghdad in 91 and take it?
We were there and could have had our way with the country.
The truth is that it is all about security. Is oil a part of it? Yes. Imagine if you will Saddamn controling 90% of the oil in that region. Then think how secure we would be.
intercede007
02-09-03, 07:42 PM
If its soooo about the oil, why don't we go and bail out Venezeula, the 4th largest exporter of crude oil to the United States? Why don't we help them out with their financial difficulties through the IMF and the WTO, and then negotiate a price on crude oil? Why hasn't anyone thought of that?
Ohh yeah, I forgot. Because it's not all about the oil.
Shinri Hikari
02-09-03, 07:47 PM
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
...it's about control of the oil.
Yup, the total amount of oil in Iraq wouldn't last the US a year. But if you "free" iraq and build a pretty US airbase right in the middle of it, then you effectively store a nice big can of military whoopass on the doorstep of neighbouring countries who DO have a lot of oil.
Shinri Hikari
02-10-03, 02:09 PM
You may have forgotten that saddom is a strong threat to his neighbors, hence the world economy. He is a mass murderer, and a psycho(not like PsychoSy). Oil is NOT the ONLY issue on the table, it is lives too.:eek:
My word on the topic, please do not twist it!:rolleyes:
Originally posted by DaveW
Yup, the total amount of oil in Iraq wouldn't last the US a year. But if you "free" iraq and build a pretty US airbase right in the middle of it, then you effectively store a nice big can of military whoopass on the doorstep of neighbouring countries who DO have a lot of oil.
Can you throw a bigger softball over the political plate?
We do have a base right next door to the west and to the south and to the north east. These are in countries who have a lot more oil. Your point doesn't stand. In fact you strengthen our argument. We don't need another base there. We need a free country there. It is still about security
Next pitch please. :p
vampireuk
02-10-03, 02:27 PM
*steps up to the plate*
ummm hi my name is....oh wait:D
Well emphasis has been put on the Iraqi people at the start but now the tune has suddenly changed. Along with the fact that saddam was offered exile at one point. That tells me this does not involve the citizens in any way if they were to just let him off.
/me steps down for now:cool:
intercede007
02-10-03, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by UDawg71
We need a free country there...
The Kurds don't have a strong enough force to free themselves from the persecution and exile that Saddam has given them. Forgetting the fact that children there are born with horrible birth defects because of the chemical weapons their wise and fearless president has used on them.
Everyone is talking Oil and Money and Power and blahblahblah. What about the friggen Kurds?????? Has everyone forgotten about them already? Sheesh.
vampireuk
02-11-03, 10:23 AM
> Sing-along Iraq
>
> To the tune of "If you're happy and you know it":
>
> If you cannot find Osama, bomb Iraq.
> If the markets are a drama, bomb Iraq.
> If the terrorists are frisky,
> Pakistan is looking shifty,
> North Korea is too risky,
> Bomb Iraq.
>
> If we have no allies with us, bomb Iraq.
> If we think someone has dissed us, bomb Iraq.
> So to hell with the inspections,
> Let's look tough for the elections,
> Close your mind and take directions,
> Bomb Iraq.
>
> It's "pre-emptive non-aggression", bomb Iraq.
> Let's prevent this mass destruction, bomb Iraq.
> They've got weapons we can't see,
> And that's good enough for me
> 'Cos it's all the proof I need
> Bomb Iraq.
>
> If you never were elected, bomb Iraq.
> If your mood is quite dejected, bomb Iraq.
> If you think Saddam's gone mad,
> With the weapons that he had,
> (And he tried to kill your dad),
> Bomb Iraq.
>
> If your corporate fraud is growin', bomb Iraq.
> If your ties to it are showin', bomb Iraq.
> If your politics are sleazy,
> And hiding that ain't easy,
> And your manhood's getting queasy,
> Bomb Iraq.
>
> Fall in line and follow orders, bomb Iraq.
> For our might knows not our borders, bomb Iraq.
> Disagree? We'll call it treason,
> Let's make war not love this season,
> Even if we have no reason,
> Bomb Iraq.
Shinri Hikari
02-11-03, 11:25 AM
Sorry to burst you "fun bubble", but that is bomb saddom... :D
2fast4u
02-11-03, 11:35 AM
first of all its "saddam" ... 2nd you cannot BOMB a country without hitting innocent people. thefore .. bomb iraq.
So France, Poland, Itali, Austria ect.. should not have been liberated from the Nazi's control? Wierd argument but hey it's you little appeasment wold. :confused:
vampireuk
02-11-03, 01:17 PM
Stop with dragging the second world war up ;)
No country owes America, China, Britain, France(yes they did fight) and Russia anything. I dont recall the americans saying "yeah we will help, but you owe us"
2fast4u
02-11-03, 01:19 PM
this is completely out of context too ... :rolleyes:
LORD-eX-Bu
02-11-03, 02:24 PM
one nice thing about europe however is that alot of eastern european countries for some reason are greatful and hold alot of respect and love for the USA. Many of the heads of state from countries in eastern europe got together and drafted a letter thanking the US and giving us their support recently. We didn't ask for them to owe us anything, they just did it out of their own free will. Its something nice to think about :D
Originally posted by vampireuk
Stop with dragging the second world war up ;)
No country owes America, China, Britain, France(yes they did fight) and Russia anything. I dont recall the americans saying "yeah we will help, but you owe us"
I did not say "we" I said "so they should not have been liberated"
You misunderstood my point.
PtrToNull
02-12-03, 05:38 AM
Many of the heads of state from countries in eastern europe got together and drafted a letter thanking the US and giving us their support recently.
*Me wonders how much in extra aid money will go to those poor supportive european countries*
If you believe that they actually do that for the love of the USA then you must be a retard.
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