Will anyone please explain me ?

[Thing]

Hail, how are you gentlemen ?

I was thinking: Geforce 4(the_best_of_them) was very good, but then came the ati 9700 pro, owns everything. then comes the geforce fx wich is the best card ever made very much faster than the ati 9700... just a perfect card, ati wont do anything like that, and nvidia wont do any big changes for like 1 year after that card...

But looks like im wrong:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=71027#post71027

Please, will anyone explain me whats going on ? I have a geforce 2 mx card, i need to get a new best one, i was thinking that the geforce fx was my salvation... I have no hurry to get a new card, i just want your opinions on whats going to come out, when should i buy, what, and what should i do...
Thanks

Farewell

[Dazz]

People consider the GeForce FX as a disappointment. It's faster then the Radeon 9700Pro but not by much and if you enable Full screen Antialiasing (FSAA) as well as Anisotropic filtering it is infact slower then the Radeon 9700Pro.

But thats the Pro Vs the Ultra you should expect the same for the none Ultra Vs the Radeon 9700 also.

[Captain Beige]

Originally posted by Thing
Hail, how are you gentlemen ?

I was thinking: Geforce 4(the_best_of_them) was very good, but then came the ati 9700 pro, owns everything. then comes the geforce fx wich is the best card ever made very much faster than the ati 9700... just a perfect card, ati wont do anything like that, and nvidia wont do any big changes for like 1 year after that card...

But looks like im wrong:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=71027#post71027

Please, will anyone explain me whats going on ? I have a geforce 2 mx card, i need to get a new best one, i was thinking that the geforce fx was my salvation... I have no hurry to get a new card, i just want your opinions on whats going to come out, when should i buy, what, and what should i do...
Thanks

Farewell

the Geforce FX is one of the biggest flops ever. it's been going around that nvidia has cancelled the ultra version, and the non-ultra is nowhere near as good as the 9700pro.

[jbirney]

Just remember speed is not every thing. I agree that the non-fx will not be a great cards for the hard core gamers or the IQ freaks. But I think every card has its place. So I can see the standard FX being good for those few programers that need to be on the bleeding edge (carmack).....

[ReDeeMeR]

Originally posted by jbirney
Just remember speed is not every thing. I agree that the non-fx will not be a great cards for the hard core gamers or the IQ freaks. But I think every card has its place. So I can see the standard FX being good for those few programers that need to be on the bleeding edge (carmack).....


Oh yeah and the world is filled with cramack's :p ;)
What do you care if he needs FX or not?
"WE" dont need it.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by ReDeeMeR
Oh yeah and the world is filled with cramack's :p ;)
What do you care if he needs FX or not?
"WE" dont need it.

if you play Carmack's games then the gfFX will not look as bad as it does right now :p

[Shinri Hikari]

If game developers decide to use the FX's features then it stands to reason that an ati card is not going to run that game very well.:cool: The FX is not the r300 killer that most believed but the features incorperated in it may very well make nvidia king of the hill for a long time. So think about those developers using the FX as their baseline and maybe the FX will be a better choice latter on...
:D

/flame shield on

[Hellbinder]

if you play Carmack's games then the gfFX will not look as bad as it does right now


How do you figure that??? perhaps you should reread the information recently posted by Carmack...

Will you really care that the GFFX can execute more Shader instructions (albeit at 1/2 the speed) 4 years from now? hardly... It will be the equivalent of a TNT2 by then.

[lagadu]

Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
If game developers decide to use the FX's features then it stands to reason that an ati card is not going to run that game very well.:cool: The FX is not the r300 killer that most believed but the features incorperated in it may very well make nvidia king of the hill for a long time. So think about those developers using the FX as their baseline and maybe the FX will be a better choice latter on...
:D

/flame shield on
i wouldn't count on developers writing code for specific nvidia cards, but rather to the most widely used standard, that being dx9, not some dx9+ crap that will only run on a few cards, actually it'll run on zero cards right now...
don't expect developers to write code for the current underdog in performance, specially after the FX flop...

just my €0.02... :)

[AngelGraves13]

no but Carmack has run into programming limits on the R300 already whereas on the Nv30 he can make a ****load of instructions for games like Doom III. So the Nv30 will most likely have a bunch of features that the R300 won't have.

[Steppy]

Originally posted by 99 to Life
no but Carmack has run into programming limits on the R300 already whereas on the Nv30 he can make a ****load of instructions for games like Doom III. So the Nv30 will most likely have a bunch of features that the R300 won't have. He did not say he hit limits for Doom III. Both these cards are too slow for shader programs long enough to hit R300's limits.

[AngelGraves13]

Originally posted by Steppy
He did not say he hit limits for Doom III. Both these cards are too slow for shader programs long enough to hit R300's limits.

Here's what he said in his own words taken from Blue's News...last paragraph before he starts talking Doom dropping support for vendor specific vertex programs in favor of using
ARB_vertex_program for all rendering paths. He goes on to say..

"For developers doing forward looking work, there is a different tradeoff --
the NV30 runs fragment programs much slower, but it has a huge maximum
instruction count. I have bumped into program limits on the R300 already.

As always, better cards are coming soon."

BTW here's the link to the whole article until his next .plan update replaces it. http://www.bluesnews.com/plans/1/

[ReDeeMeR]

"the NV30 runs fragment programs much slower"

That's all I need to know, bye :)

[Shinri Hikari]

Last post = :firedevil

[AngelGraves13]

it's not about how slow it runs...it's about how freely people can program on it for future games. Think of tomorrow....not today, today is already in the past.

[Steppy]

Both these cards will be low end by the time any of these features are used..., it's ok to look somewhat into the future, but 2 years + is too far ahead to wait for a potential gain that runs slower in the meantime.

[ASCI Blue]

People got the GF3 for it's advanced shaders. How many games use them? Most of the FX's advanced features probably won't be used for a goodly long time.

[Shinri Hikari]

Mayhap, but in the future these *slow* cards will STILL work, can you say that about the competition?:D

[volt]

Doom3 isn't everything. That's probably a 24 hour game play if not less. I won't shell out 400 bucks just to get marginally better performance in D3