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Solomon

02-10-03, 02:32 PM

It seems the PNY Quadro FX 2000 has changed specs from 400MHz/400MHz to now 324MHz/400MHz. This FX seems to be a disaster in terms of stability. When you see their workstation card being clocked at 324MHz now makes you wonder WTF is up at Nvidia.

New PNY Quadro FX 2000 specs according to Amazon International:
324MHz for Core
400MHz for Memory

I can't find seem to locate the info at Nvidia regarding the Quadro FX clocks now. The 400/400 seems to have dissappeared now. This is just mind blowing to see the clocks just fall like this. If the Quadro FX 2000 is only clocked at 324MHz, I can't imagine what the Quadro FX 1000 will be clocked at now.

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volt

02-10-03, 02:57 PM

HAHAHAHA :rolleyes:

Solomon

02-10-03, 03:12 PM

I don't know what's going on with Nvidia... Their Quadro FX 2000 now being at 324MHz ? ? ? I can't imagine the Quadro FX 1000's core speed. Hehehe.

Would you spend $2,000.00 for a Quadro FX 2000 that you know is running slower then it's GeForce FX Non-Ultra that will be for $329.00 ? LOL.

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Sazar

02-10-03, 03:18 PM

its a professional video card hence the stability factor is a LOT more important...

I am sure that the non ultra gf FX would not be able to do professional rendering like the quadro series :)

Gator

02-10-03, 03:36 PM

this is insanity... any remotely positive thing they had over ATI is now dissolving. At least before they could 3dmark a little bit hihger because of the higher core/memory speed. But now... a stock R9700/FireGL may blow the FX series out of the water. Boy they've really messed up :rolleyes: For their sakes, they better hope the NV35 kicks butt, or else they'll have to get used to being second best :p

Evildeus

02-10-03, 04:10 PM

Uttar

02-10-03, 04:16 PM

Strange they've choosen the 324Mhz core clock: that's exactly the same as the Fire GL X1!

Uttar

-=DVS=-

02-10-03, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by Uttar
Strange they've choosen the 324Mhz core clock: that's exactly the same as the Fire GL X1!

Uttar

I thought Quadro FX 2000 is suppose to be made on .13 and Fire GL X1 on .15 , now how come moveing to lower process gives no advantage at all :eek:

now some people might think Nvidia is smokeing something :D

Sazar

02-10-03, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by -=DVS=-
I thought Quadro FX 2000 is suppose to be made on .13 and Fire GL X1 on .15 , now how come moveing to lower process gives no advantage at all :eek:

now some people might think Nvidia is smokeing something :D

???

basically the clocks are dropped... not the process...

moving to a smaller process has its own benefits... clock speeds are not the only thing... there are other factors as well...

-=DVS=-

02-10-03, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Sazar
???

basically the clocks are dropped... not the process...

moving to a smaller process has its own benefits... clock speeds are not the only thing... there are other factors as well...

??? (first of i wasn't talkeing about droped process..on Nvidias card)

other factors ? give me some who are actually usefull in Programing(actual use of the card) , sure its lower power usage , should also be lower heat output , but all that didn't increase performance :rolleyes: they lowered cloak to level of a card who was available for many months now , were is the logic in it huh ? ;)

id say you just a fan boy in denial

Uttar

02-10-03, 04:42 PM

0.13 shouldn't give a big boost to clock rates on the Quadro FX ( as I said before, I won't refer to the GFFX at nV News anymore, but it could probably be generalized ) compared to the Radeon 9700 Pro because there are more transistors.

What gives the boost, however, is copper. The R300 is still on Aluminium.

It is indeed very strange it's clocked so low. Maybe it's PNY-specific, that they realized they could use Quadro FX 1000-priced chips from nVidia and still brand them as Quadro FX 2000 by using the same RAM, but lower core clock?
Woah, then the Ti4800 SE is nearly beaten! Note the "nearly" :D

Uttar

ErrorS

02-10-03, 05:56 PM

they keep the clockspeeds low, the card still beats out highend FireGL (by ALOT), its less expensive(for nVidia), easier to cool and they can bump the clockspeed up 100mhz for a refresh in 6months to a year..

IMHO it was a smart move

Solomon

02-10-03, 05:59 PM

Well, if money was on my mind, I would take the FireGL because it's almost $850.00 cheaper then the Quadro FX 2000. I guess it all depends on the needs of the workstation users. I wish we can find out the clock speed on the Quadro FX 1000 now. :/

volt

02-10-03, 06:01 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they came up with another Quadro FX clocked 400/400

digitalwanderer

02-10-03, 06:07 PM

...is this a new disapointment or a re-hash of some old disapointment out of nVidia lately?

I swear it's hard to keep up with 'em all lately!

Hellbinder

02-10-03, 06:11 PM

Couple things.. I posted a news article @Area3D about the QuadroFX overheating during testing a while back. Which was just an early indication of the troubbles the Quadro would be having.

The bottom line is that the Quadro HIGH-END card is going to be released at 324mhz. IT is simply to unstable and overheats during certain tests at 400mhz. Which also points out that the supposed reduced cooling system would actually work for the GFFXU theories a while back.

What gives the boost, however, is copper. The R300 is still on Aluminium

Not for much longer my friend, not for much longer. The R350 is all copper baby!!

Nv40

02-11-03, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Solomon
I don't know what's going on with Nvidia... Their Quadro FX 2000 now being at 324MHz ? ? ? I can't imagine the Quadro FX 1000's core speed. Hehehe.

Would you spend $2,000.00 for a Quadro FX 2000 that you know is running slower then it's GeForce FX Non-Ultra that will be for $329.00 ? LOL.

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D. Solomon Jr.
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FOr CAD CAM users and 3d/2d artists which use programs
for a living that cost more than $20k ..... YES!

in fact is a bargain if you compare the quadroFx price with the
3dlabs WIldcats which people usually have paid in the past
up to $5k !!! . but know Nvidia stole their crown of kings in 3d .. :)

QUadro boards primary use is not gaming
however you can play games there too .
but i think you should know that.

FireGl boards are more cheapier .. but its performance
its cheapier too.. is not there againts a Quadro and even with a
Geforce4 hacked to quadro ..you pay for what you get..

if you are in the middle of a $$ multi-millionare production ,a Computer Graphics movie which involve heavy graphics with scenes you could only dream ,
one day to see in games ,will you take the cheapiest video card
in the market or the best card ?

i have seen post of people that can't even achieve to have
their animation software opened even for a short time in their
gaming card ->radeon9700pro... you need 500% rock solid OpenGl/direct3d drivers for profesional aplications...
that is true if you work in 3d industry .

those aplications know how to push your video to its limits ..

if you dont work in the CG industry , and use profesional
aplications just for fun ,any gemorcemx will be fine..

there are big diferences between gaming cards and PRo boards.
there are video cards in the market with over 380megs just
for textures handling .and others that even do raytracing in real time...

gaming cards are just begining to discover what people
call features..
Antialising lines/ hardware lights /hardware overlay planes/
softreflections /composting effects
multimonitors support /insane resolutions
and other fancy things exist in the profesional market many years before the first 3dfx voodoo1 card.

if you want simply the fastest PRofesional board in the market
with the best Acuracy and IQ .. QUadroFx 2000 is the
way to go. ;)

SurfMonkey

02-11-03, 06:48 AM

It's good to see at least one flavour of the NV30 doing well. It give the GL X1 a good thrashing in the benches and @ the same core speed. It will be interesting the see whether the R350 variant has a similar lead over its R300 sibling as the FX has over the GL X1. That would put them neck and neck in the speed stakes with the R350 pobably having a higher core speed.

Maybe because nV had slightly longer to work on QuaddroFX, or maybe it's been easier to develop drivers for the professional market because you know exactly you're targeting (OpenGL, 3D Studio etc) unlike the home market where everything is different, but they seem to have actually made a decent product and it run's pretty quitetly too!

undercover

02-13-03, 09:44 AM

My Quadro FX 2000 defaults to 400/800 :)

Uttar

02-13-03, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Not for much longer my friend, not for much longer. The R350 is all copper baby!!

Yeah, that was fairly predictable.
But ATI generally got big delays between desktop cards and workstation cards. Much bigger than nVidia.
So, it wouldn't surprise me if the R350 Workstation card would be released at the same time as the NV35GL. And the winner of that fight is rather obvious, IMO.

Uttar

SurfMonkey

02-14-03, 10:19 AM

Well X-Bit labs have tested the latest flavour of FX1000\2000 (A2 revisons I believe) here (http://www.xbitlabs.com/video/3dsmax5-quadrofx/) using 3D Studio Max. And the FireGL is stomped. They've also got the FX2000 running at 499\933.

Looks like a very good card for the top end market and maybe that's what nVidia will do with the NV30 now. Relegate it to a professional market only. That would seem to suggest that they are about to flood the consumer market with low cost derivatives. I think the next real enthusiasts card will be the NV35.

undercover

02-14-03, 10:35 AM

Originally posted by SurfMonkey
They've also got the FX2000 running at 499\933.

I haven't oced mine yet but the fan NEVER goes into warp drive (it's very quiet!). The temperature is very stable, even after hours of benchmarking. A solid card.

Slappi

02-14-03, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by undercover
I haven't oced mine yet but the fan NEVER goes into warp drive (it's very quiet!). The temperature is very stable, even after hours of benchmarking. A solid card.

Yet even after you, someone who actually OWNS a card, state the speeds and fan noise specs of the ACTUAL card I bet many will still say .....

"...wow that sucks Nvidia lowed the speeds of the core and mem of the QuatroFX"

True morons

undercover

02-14-03, 11:04 AM

he he well I didn't have to pay for it :)

I feel sorry the the Nvidia driver guys. There working like mad optimising what appears to be a much more complex architecture than the ATI 9700 and they have to 'waste' effort to ensure that the 3DMARK03 scores look ok!!

Nv40

02-14-03, 03:24 PM