Xbox360 shipments: latest figures

[msxyz]

Xbox 360 Hardware (Through June 30, 2006)
North America - 3.3 million
Europe - 1.3 million
Other - 0.4 million
Worldwide - 5 million

No wonder why the Xbox 360 price already dropped here in Europe. The EU sales are imho disappointing.

[Bad_Boy]

not doubting your numbers, but do you have a link?
always helps :)

[msxyz]

Taken directly from the PVC forums. http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/folder.php?fid=23

The figures posted there are usually accurate. They're the same from Microsoft quarterly investors' report so I assume he used that as source.

[Bad_Boy]

thanks msxyz. I didnt doubt your source or anything, But just something I figured should go with the numbers.

I'm still finding it hard to beleive MS will hit 10million by the time Wii/PS3 launches. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as they seem pretty confident on getting there and increasing shipping.

[PeterJensen]

thanks msxyz. I didnt doubt your source or anything, But just something I figured should go with the numbers.

I'm still finding it hard to beleive MS will hit 10million by the time Wii/PS3 launches. But I'll give them the benefit of the doubt as they seem pretty confident on getting there and increasing shipping.

They have som damn nice tiltles comming out in September.

[msxyz]

If their claimed figure is for shipped units (or sent down the retail pipe) 10M is still probably achieveable. The "shipped" figure at the end of november will certainly include all the orders and contracts placed for xmas season.

7.5-8M worldwide is probably more realistic while I think the 10M mark will be reached only after the xmas season is over. By then (assuming Microsoft will keep a 1.5-2M units overhead) they can claim they've reached the intended goal of 12M "shipped" units by the end of 2006.

Aaah, the wonders of marketing. :)

[Bad_Boy]

They have som damn nice tiltles comming out in September.
Well im not talking about titles.

I was under the impression that numbers were low in the beginning because shipping numbers were low, and since recently that they have said they will be improving them...I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. I was thinking it was a matter of can a consumer even buy a 360, rather than does the consumer want to buy a 360. But If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.

Still...10 million is twice what msxyz's post numbers show at the end of june. I just dont see how they can do it by ps3/wii launch.
7.5-8M worldwide is probably more realistic
I agree with that.

[Lfctony]

Hopefully they'll drop the game prices as well. I got GRAW for £45 CYP here, that's roughly $100 USD btw. :(

[PeterJensen]

Well i GoW goes gold next week you will se a x360 mayhem in the stores :)

[S.I.N]

I bet the PS3 will sell in 9 weeks what it takes the Xbox360 to sell in 9 months. They dont even advertise the thing to let people know about.

[Sazar]

I bet the PS3 will sell in 9 weeks what it takes the Xbox360 to sell in 9 months. They dont even advertise the thing to let people know about.

3 things could temper that

Availability of PS3 consoles.

Price of said consoles.

Price/package Xbox360 will have to compete when ps3 debuts.

[oldsk00l]

3 things could temper that

Availability of PS3 consoles.

Price of said consoles.

Price/package Xbox360 will have to compete when ps3 debuts.

At the PS3's debut price Microsoft has absolutely no reason to lower the 360's price. The package competition is also going to be very easy for Microsoft to do via the marketplace.

Sony's the one who has to step up here, not Microsoft.

[msxyz]

Well, the Playstation brand is so strong that Sony is guaranted to sell a few millions of consoles regardless of price in the launch window.

That's a great advantage for Sony.

[Bad_Boy]

I bet the PS3 will sell in 9 weeks what it takes the Xbox360 to sell in 9 months. They dont even advertise the thing to let people know about.
I highly doubt 9 weeks. I dont think they can even get 6 million in 9 weeks. They will probably sell all of them for a good while though, So I'd agree with your opinion and say they would get where 360 is now in a shorter amount of time.
6 Million by march is their projected shipping goal.

3 things could temper that

Availability of PS3 consoles.
Seems Sony is ok on getting them produced for now, cell yeilds are said to be better and nvidia says they have been ready for a while. I think they will get there projected numbers out ok.


Price of said consoles.
Well, the thing will sell out easily with hardcore fans and extremists all over fairly well. But yeah, the price, I expect a price drop by the start of holiday season next year. Theres no way they can go 1+ year without a price drop.


Price/package Xbox360 will have to compete when ps3 debuts.
And both the PS3 + 360 will have to compete with the Wii price. Either way the thing will sell out when the ps3 debuts. Thats just my opinion.
Well, the Playstation brand is so strong that Sony is guaranted to sell a few millions of consoles regardless of price in the launch window.

That's a great advantage for Sony.
Pretty much. A Sega representative (Sega VP of Marketing Scott Steinberg to be exact) was talking about this exact thing, brand loyalty, on the 1up podcast (actually making one of the resident xbox supporters kinda bitter about his words) The guy from sega actually said that Sony/PS3 will be the console to beat even this generation dispite the higher price.

Link to the podcast if anyone is interested.
http://1upyours.1up.com/
click the one with the newest date

[Banko]

At the PS3's debut price Microsoft has absolutely no reason to lower the 360's price. The package competition is also going to be very easy for Microsoft to do via the marketplace.

Sony's the one who has to step up here, not Microsoft.
Amazingly enough no one ever says how much a 360 costs to have the feature set of the 600 PS3. Let me tell ya they are the same price.

You want Wi-fi? Add 100 (that's $500 now)
You want high-def movie playback? Add another 100 (that is $600)

PS3 if you are comparing feature vs feature is the same price.

[LycosV]

I don't know. I think that the 360 sales are low because it's so much more expensive than anything else you can get now. You've got $400 for a 360, $130 for a PS2, or $100 for a Gamecube. Even though it's the only next-gen console, it looks excessive. When the PS3 comes out sure some people will buy it because "It's Sony" but I think more people will start buying the 360. If I remember correctly the 360 will be at least $100 less than the PS3 and to most people that makes a big difference.

[msxyz]

Amazingly enough no one ever says how much a 360 costs to have the feature set of the 600 PS3. Let me tell ya they are the same price.

You want Wi-fi? Add 100 (that's $500 now)
You want high-def movie playback? Add another 100 (that is $600)

PS3 if you are comparing feature vs feature is the same price.
A wi-fi usb adapter costs ~20$, much less to manufacture. Microsoft is making a lot fo money from their accessories. 30$ for a 64Mb memory card is a theft. Meanwhile Sony is using this "extras" to cover the eccessive price of the PS3 in the eyes of the public.

To the end user, there is no big difference. As you said, to have the whole functionalities of a PS3 you'll probably end up paying the same for an Xbox

But to Microsoft and Sony there is a big difference. Microsoft could theoretically start selling tomorrow their accessories at a competitive price (hell will freeze :lol: ) and even cut the console price without increasing their losses (today it costs about 15-20% less to manufacture an Xbox 360 than a year ago; Microsoft cost reduction plan is in full swing). That -of course- in case the Xbox isn't selling to well once the PS3 will hit the streets. Europeans are already paying 50€ less (65$) for the consoles. I don't think such a big discount popping everywhere in stores all of the sudden is the initiative of a few enterprising retailers.

[Acid Rain]

Microsoft is making a lot fo money from their accessories. 30$ for a 64Mb memory card is a theft. Yes, because, as we all know, accepting money from a willing customer in exchange for one of your products is theft. Plain and simple.

I do agree that Microsoft must be making an absolute killing on accessories, though. I also see nothing wrong with it.

[Badboy_12345]

Amazingly enough no one ever says how much a 360 costs to have the feature set of the 600 PS3. Let me tell ya they are the same price.

You want Wi-fi? Add 100 (that's $500 now)
You want high-def movie playback? Add another 100 (that is $600)

PS3 if you are comparing feature vs feature is the same price.


what if u dont want it :rolleyes:
then u still must pay 600$, x360 has an option..

[evilchris]

Yes, because, as we all know, accepting money from a willing customer in exchange for one of your products is theft. Plain and simple.

I do agree that Microsoft must be making an absolute killing on accessories, though. I also see nothing wrong with it.

oMGZ BSS@!@@ THATS BS ThAT they charge MOney for stufdf!!

[msxyz]

Yes, because, as we all know, accepting money from a willing customer in exchange for one of your products is theft. Plain and simple.Arguing on semantics, are we ? :) The customer, willingful or not MUST buy a memcard at that price because he has no other choices. Not a true theft but still an abuse. And the feeling it leaves in the "victims" is almost the same. ;)

[oldsk00l]

A wi-fi usb adapter costs ~20$, much less to manufacture. Microsoft is making a lot fo money from their accessories. 30$ for a 64Mb memory card is a theft. Meanwhile Sony is using this "extras" to cover the eccessive price of the PS3 in the eyes of the public.

To the end user, there is no big difference. As you said, to have the whole functionalities of a PS3 you'll probably end up paying the same for an Xbox

But to Microsoft and Sony there is a big difference. Microsoft could theoretically start selling tomorrow their accessories at a competitive price (hell will freeze :lol: ) and even cut the console price without increasing their losses (today it costs about 15-20% less to manufacture an Xbox 360 than a year ago; Microsoft cost reduction plan is in full swing). That -of course- in case the Xbox isn't selling to well once the PS3 will hit the streets. Europeans are already paying 50€ less (65$) for the consoles. I don't think such a big discount popping everywhere in stores all of the sudden is the initiative of a few enterprising retailers.

Another route that reduces latency, at least for me it did, is to go with the ethernet/wifi adapter. I use the one from linksys that ran for about $35 and it works like a charm. I also strongly suspect that once the hd drive hits the 360 it'll be a cost effective solution, or the 360's price will have dropped. Either way, it's still "better" than the PS3 by avenue of choice as badboy noted.

I really can't complain either, because I'm playing the xbox 360, I went to the store and purchased it, it has great games out for it now, and for all intents and purposes the PS3 is still vaporware at this point (even with the high likelihood it will ship, it still doesn't exist to consumers and thus semantics aren't worth arguing over).

[Peoples-Agent]

Atleast with the XB360 you have the choice.... £60 for a wireless adapter... hmm seems steep, but I don't intend to use that feature, so if it were thrown in out the box and it was a forced purchase i'd be pretty annoyed.

I aint too bothered about system power or whatever, it's all about the games...and with XB Live and Marketplace to mess with too, it's an easy decision for me this time around.

[Son Goku]

Why shouldn't Microsoft charge more on accessories, when they're the "only game in town". Coming out early, they have extra "sale time" to make back R&D, so that when PS3 and Wii come to market, some of the initial cost of investment will have already re-couped. Lowering prices, after it's been selling for awhile wouldn't be so difficult.

However, people buying Playstation, just because of the "Sony name" is not non-debatable. Many people probably bought PS2 because of the availability of games. If the earlier release date, results in Xbox 360 getting in more cozy with the game developers... For many people, it's the games that matter, and the games for which one buys a council.

Beyond the cost of the councils, as well as the increased cost for the council (for which Microsoft might be able to introduce price drops after their council has been on the market and selling for awhile (some R&D costs already re-coupted), aka agressive pricing/initiating price wars, should the need be felt), comes two more matters:

- Will games using Blu-Ray media cost more to manufacturer, and hence result in higher game prices. Looking at HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray, never mind something that comes on standard DVD vs. Blu-Ray, this could represent a bigger price difference beyond the cost of the system itself.

If the Blu-Ray media introduces a higher manufacturing cost for the game developer, then the DVD, and this is passed onto the consumer; what will the consumer do if they see 2 copies of the same exact game, but the PS3 variant costs significantly more? If they have both systems, why pay more for the PS3 variant? Unless there's something more to justify the added expense, many gamers might chose to save the bundle...

I can certainly say that having both a Game Cube and a PS/2, I check under both consils for the game. If the Game Cube copy of the game costs less, I buy that. If the PS/2 copy costs less, that's what I buy... I mean, afterall, it's the same game, and the same "game play experience..."

- As a late commer, will Sony still be able to secure some excellent "must have" game titles which are exclusive to their council? Without exclusives, and one's that people will absolutely want; it might not have that extra something to push the council. This comes down to what the software developers decide, and what they see as profitable for themself...

I would content, it has been the large availability of PS/2 game titles, more so then "the Sony name" which resulted in the PS/2 being as popular as it is. For the PS/3 to hold up as well against the other councils, it would still have to present that advantage to gamers, and the game developers themselves would have to want to make most everything (along with some exclusive titles, that are big hits) for the PS/3...

[Peoples-Agent]

Good points there.
All about being Exclusive... not so long ago the PS2 was a must have for the Resident Evil series, MGS and GTA.... but now seeing as they are no longer exclusive, there isn't much to sway anyone. If anything, the PS3 needs new buzz titles like this to be worth bothering with.

I would have been dumb enough to buy a PS3 just to play Resident Evil 5, but XB360 gets it at the same time nowadays, same with GTA4, I can't be bothered with paying more for the system. Also taking into account XB Live is a tried and tested online function.
No good having great FPS if you can't even play them online.