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Originally posted by Uttar
Those aren't rumors; it's speculation.
My guess is that the NV31 will pretty much be just fine. It might need some software hacks, but nothing really important.
As for the NV34, I don't think nVidia will "cut" the VS or anything like that. They probably still got enough transistors ( with 45M ) to implement a fairly slow VS Unit, with a lot of software hacks to compensate for less functionality. Which would, of course, give very bad performance: probably barely on par with the CPU ( but it would give less stress to the CPU compared to no VS unit at all, which is a good thing )
Just my guess...
MuFu: Indeed, the NV35 specs seem very ambitious. $399 at retail seem impossible. Do you think $499 for the 128MB version is a reasonable bet?
Uttar If ATI has the R400 at 399, no way can they be priced higher than that.
Lezmaka
02-19-03, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
MuFu: Indeed, the NV35 specs seem very ambitious. $399 at retail seem impossible. Do you think $499 for the 128MB version is a reasonable bet?
NV30 Ultra @ $399 seemed impossible for a while, looked like it was gonna be $499. Read somewhere that NV30 Reg is $329. So either they are willing to take the hit and sell it cheap, or they're on crack.
Yeah, everyone expected the NV30 to be sold at $399
But in the case of the NV35, I really wouldn't hope for $399... The margins would be way too small. Maybe $449, yeah... But that's just IMO, anyway
And remember the R400 should be launched two months after the NV35: nVidia might have the time to reduce cost ( by producing more cards ) in that time period, in order to be able to reduce the price once the R400 comes out.
Uttar
StealthHawk
02-19-03, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by Uttar
Yeah, everyone expected the NV30 to be sold at $399
But in the case of the NV35, I really wouldn't hope for $399... The margins would be way too small. Maybe $449, yeah... But that's just IMO, anyway
And remember the R400 should be launched two months after the NV35: nVidia might have the time to reduce cost ( by producing more cards ) in that time period, in order to be able to reduce the price once the R400 comes out.
Uttar
well they're going to have to reduce price on NV35 if R400 is as great as it's supposed to be and arrives on time.
Originally posted by StealthHawk
well they're going to have to reduce price on NV35 if R400 is as great as it's supposed to be and arrives on time.
As I said, they most likely will: once the R400 is in stores, the NV35 price will drop. Right now, it's expected to have 45 to 90 days between the retail avaibility of both. But then again, that's just an expectation based on rumored tape-out dates.
Uttar
digitalwanderer
02-19-03, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by StealthHawk
well they're going to have to reduce price on NV35 if R400 is as great as it's supposed to be and arrives on time.
You are of course assuming that nVidia is bound by the laws of reason and common sense, while they seem bound and determined to prove that neither has a place where their policies are concerned. :rolleyes: ;)
sebazve
02-19-03, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
You are of course assuming that nVidia is bound by the laws of reason and common sense, while they seem bound and determined to prove that neither has a place where their policies are concerned. :rolleyes: ;)
muhahahaahah:p
StealthHawk
02-19-03, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by digitalwanderer
You are of course assuming that nVidia is bound by the laws of reason and common sense, while they seem bound and determined to prove that neither has a place where their policies are concerned. :rolleyes: ;)
hey, lots of people swore that gfFXUltra would be $500, even $600. the pre-orders here were all $400. so they're not that crazy.
borntosoul
02-19-03, 08:20 PM
on one shoulder the devil said " lets sell these chips for $500 -$ 600 muhaha cause its one hell of a chip" and on the other shoulder the angel said "i know they cost us lots but hey thats too much, poor people wont be able to afford it so we should sell em for $400 ". luckely nvidia didnt need to listen to any of them cause ATI are on the scene with a chip thats just as good if not better for under $400 .it doesnt leave them much option
StealthHawk
02-20-03, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by borntosoul
on one shoulder the devil said " lets sell these chips for $500 -$ 600 muhaha cause its one hell of a chip" and on the other shoulder the angel said "i know they cost us lots but hey thats too much, poor people wont be able to afford it so we should sell em for $400 ". luckely nvidia didnt need to listen to any of them cause ATI are on the scene with a chip thats just as good if not better for under $400 .it doesnt leave them much option
more likely nvidia knew that gfFXUltra wouldn't dominate r9700Pro and knew there was no way they could get away with selling it for $500 or $600.
borntosoul
02-20-03, 04:15 AM
stealth read my post thats what i said :)
Stealthhawk I think the 600$ figure applys to Europe where VAT's force the price up.
NickSpolec
02-20-03, 10:40 AM
350MHz is a little high for NV31. Projections detailed 400MHz+ but there have been so many problems that I really doubt it will be clocked at more than 300MHz unless they use "Son-Of-Dustbuster".
Maybe someone could enlighten me..
Why couldn't NV31 have 350mhz or more without something like the FX Flow? I mean, OCSystem has released a version of the 9700 Pro with 415 Core...
http://www.ocsystem.com/ocenrad97pro1.html
Isn't smaller dies supposed to reduce heat?
P.S. Anyone want to lend me 459.00 bucks?
Originally posted by NickSpolec
Maybe someone could enlighten me..
Why couldn't NV31 have 350mhz or more without something like the FX Flow?
Because it's a buggy POS. A02 samples look better (apparenty) so perhaps 350MHz will be ok with a conventional HS/fan.
An FX Flow-type device doesn't really make any sense for a mainstream card. For NV30, I think it's the second most expensive item on the BOM after the ASIC.
MuFu.
Just thought I'd bump this thread to say that I have now received conformation from two sources totally independent of each other (and about a week apart) that NV35 has recently taped out. I imagine that means within the past 2-3 weeks.
MuFu.
Evildeus
02-21-03, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by MuFu
Just thought I'd bump this thread to say that I have now received conformation from two sources totally independent of each other (and about a week apart) that NV35 has recently taped out. I imagine that means within the past 2-3 weeks.
MuFu.
Good to know, thank Mufu :)
Hope it won't be another GFFX fiasco...
nutball
02-21-03, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by MuFu
Just thought I'd bump this thread to say that I have now received conformation from two sources totally independent of each other (and about a week apart) that NV35 has recently taped out. I imagine that means within the past 2-3 weeks.
MuFu.
w00t! That means I might get my hot little hands on one by ... September maybe?
:D
Seriously though that sounds like good news, I hope this one goes smoother for the sake of competition in the [GV]PU market!
Originally posted by MuFu
I imagine that means within the past 2-3 weeks.
Nope, wrong! Further clarification today - NV35 taped out in early January. There are two parts that have been delayed by a full quarter though - still trying to find out what they are (I am very suprised that one of them isn't NV35).
MuFu.
digitalwanderer
02-21-03, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by MuFu
Nope, wrong! Further clarification today - NV35 taped out in early January. There are two parts that have been delayed by a full quarter though - still trying to find out what they are (I am very suprised that one of them isn't NV35).
MuFu.
VERY interesting MuFu, please keep us informed of any new info.
The NV35 really did tape out in early January then? I'd heard that from one source, but didn't put a whole lot of credibility to it yet. (I'm a little gunshy about believing ANYTHING out of me nVidia contacts lately. Not blaming them, but they're getting fed bad info and GIGO applies. ;) )
Thanks for the info, please keep it coming. :)
Mufu, any info on r400 tape out?I have heard that its supposed to this month.
Evildeus
02-21-03, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by MuFu
Nope, wrong! Further clarification today - NV35 taped out in early January. There are two parts that have been delayed by a full quarter though - still trying to find out what they are (I am very suprised that one of them isn't NV35).
MuFu. I'm a bit confused now. January? :confused:
Originally posted by MuFu
Nope, wrong! Further clarification today - NV35 taped out in early January. There are two parts that have been delayed by a full quarter though - still trying to find out what they are (I am very suprised that one of them isn't NV35).
MuFu.
So *that's* probably what someone wanted to say me in mid January! Too bad he deleted that message so fast, or I might have known the NV35 taped out as early as mid January :)
That person is, IMO, a very reliable source. All things he said have revealed to be true. I hope I'll get some other info from him in the future :)
Anyway, too bad nVidia is getting so sketchy on NDAs. Sounds like it isn't affecting you too much, however, Mufu :D
Keep up the good work!
Uttar
jbirney
02-21-03, 01:29 PM
Mufu,,
NV35 Tapeout, was it the first pass? or a respin?
Originally posted by jbirney
Mufu,,
NV35 Tapeout, was it the first pass? or a respin?
First pass (i.e. complete mask set database upload).
MuFu.
Lezmaka
02-21-03, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by MuFu
First pass (i.e. complete mask set database upload).
MuFu.
So maybe give it another month or so before they start going into production, and probably 4 months after that to release? assuming there's nothing major, like the chip melts when playing certain games, etc
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