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Heinz68
08-13-06, 02:09 PM
According to a Taiwanese site, AMD is about to release
Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Socket AM2 2.6GHZ 1MBX2 L2 90nm
Here is Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.oc.com.tw%2Fforums%2 Fmsgexcel.asp%3Fid%3DA03%26msgid%3D215307%26n%3D1% 26posit%3D19%26more%3D1%26remsgid%3D215252%26allfr om%3D215252%26itype%3D1&langpair=zh-CN%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) with more details and pictures

I believe AMD should have go on and support Socket 939 with new releases much longer, at least till the next-generation AMD's K8L 65nm core

For many like me with 4200+, there is right now no other upgrade option than Intel Core 2 Duo system.

With no more new CPUs for Socket 939 many enthusiast are upgrading to Intel Core 2 Duo and it's going to take AMD long time to get them back. Complete system upgrades are to expensive.

Edited:
After searching Google I found couple pre-orders already but what a crazy price
NCIX.com (http://www.us.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=18453&nocookie=1&membership=0) $1,017.00 USD
$HOPBOT.COM.AU (http://www.shopbot.com.au/p-18917.html) $1,599.00 AUD

If this is the true release price, I say good luck AMD.
In that way, it looks to me system upgrade to Intel's any Core 2 Duo is much better option.

By the way I will remain to be AMD fanboy but when it comes to upgrades "The Buck Stops Here".

DarkJedi664
08-13-06, 06:42 PM
Pre-order prices are always outrageous. But where can we find 5000+'s? I haven't found a single one in ages. Just makes me wonder is all.

Bearclaw
08-13-06, 06:44 PM
Wasn't the 5000+ speed at 2.6Ghz? If so, why wouldn't they make the 5200+ 2.8Ghz?

coldpower27
08-13-06, 07:02 PM
Wasn't the 5000+ speed at 2.6Ghz? If so, why wouldn't they make the 5200+ 2.8Ghz?

Remember, 4200+ & 4400+ were both 2.2GHZ, so AMD is still following hat pattern of having 2 SKU's per speedbin.

Though rececently they EOL the 4000+, 4400+ and 4800+.

Mr_LoL
08-13-06, 08:21 PM
I might upgrade to the 5000+ in the next couple of months but its expensive so i am hoping for further price cuts.

superklye
08-13-06, 10:11 PM
I thought AMD nixed all the 1MB cache chips?

Heinz68
08-13-06, 11:01 PM
I might upgrade to the 5000+ in the next couple of months but its expensive so i am hoping for further price cuts.
For the X2 5000+ you also need new Socket AM2 mobo and DDR2 memory so I believe the Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 or E6600 is much better upgrade option.

In couple months the prices will settle down plus there is going to be much better choice of Core 2 Duo motherboards.

If I was going to upgrade right now no way I would go with the AMD AM2 Socket.

Very simple for now the Core 2 Duo is the new king not only by performance but also by price, every review site came to just about same conclusion.

Also the Core 2 Duo has additional great value in overclock, as 60nm chip it overclockes much better than the AMD 90nm chip.
I believe for most of us AnandTech (http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2802&p=12) is trusted hardware review site and here is what they said
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 & E6400: Tremendous Value Through Overclocking
The E6300 and E6400 can easily overclock to E6700 and Core 2 Extreme X6800 levels, though the smaller cache does limit performance a bit. That being said, our overclocked E6300 was able to equal and in all cases but one outperform AMD's Athlon 64 FX-62. In fact, in quite a few benchmarks, the overclocked E6300 is essentially out of reach of anything AMD can offer with their current K8 designs. At $183, the value here is tremendous, and if you're willing to overclock the benefits don't get any clearer than that.

K007
08-14-06, 04:40 AM
If i am not mistaken there is a 5000+ for 939 made as well..i am gunning for this as it is pretty cheap in AUS now..arround 400AU~..by the time i want to grab it (before Crysis) it might drop a bit more..i dont want to do a full DDR2/Motherboard/CPU upgrade..I just want to grab the 5000 for the X2 and just hang onto that for awhile..Also the Core 2 Duo stuff is pretty solid..if your buidling a complete new PC then yea Intel is the way to go..but if u want to just upgrade the CPU for a cheap price..without going DDR2..then i think AMD is probably the way to go..If i would i would go Intel...but price dosen't say i want to go now..maybe r600 as i plan to grab an ati card when it comes out ><..

Heinz68
08-14-06, 08:43 AM
If i am not mistaken there is a 5000+ for 939 made as well..i am gunning for this as it is pretty cheap in AUS now..arround 400AU~..by the time i want to grab it (before Crysis) it might drop a bit more..i dont want to do a full DDR2/Motherboard/CPU upgrade..I just want to grab the 5000 for the X2 and just hang onto that for awhile..Also the Core 2 Duo stuff is pretty solid..if your buidling a complete new PC then yea Intel is the way to go..but if u want to just upgrade the CPU for a cheap price..without going DDR2..then i think AMD is probably the way to go..If i would i would go Intel...but price dosen't say i want to go now..maybe r600 as i plan to grab an ati card when it comes out ><..I don't think there is X2 5000+ for Socket 939, could not Google one :)

Here from the July 24, 2006 AMD Price list
Athlon 64 X2 5000+ (socket AM2 only) $301
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_609,00.html?redir=CPT301
or model "Number and Feature Comparisons"
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_13041%5E13076,00.html

Right now the highest upgrade for Socket 939 is 4600+ or the discontinued 4800+ and FX-60

Today the pricegrabber has listed the lowest priced 4800+ at 305 USD and lowest priced FX-60 at crazy 784 USD

I also want to hang onto my present 939 system little longer so am looking for used 4800+ about $150 or used FX-60 at about $250
This is the most I would spend on soon no longer supported system by AMD.

Overall performance benefit upgrading my 4200+ to 4800+ as published by AMD is 13.9%, I think $150 well spend.
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/content_type/DownloadableAssets/AMD_v_Intel_Performance_Comp_Q2-2006.pdf

On another benchmark list by AMD the benefit is only 9.9% still not to bad
http://www.amd.com/DAM/data/cordacharts/98526.jpg

Looks like even AMD can't get them benchmark numbers right :)

K007
08-14-06, 08:54 PM
It seems AMD wont make it after all....sad :/.

a12ctic
08-14-06, 10:07 PM
It seems AMD wont make it after all....sad :/.
wont make what? theyve got the enthusiest market in the palms of their hands, all they have to do is hit a swich and intel wont even be in the high end margen for 6+ months of course the enthusiest market doesnt really matter profit-wise, thats why they are securing as many oem deals as possible. 4 years ago, you couldnt buy a oem amd system, today its almost the oposite, hp, compaq, emachines, and now dell. IMO its intel that wont be making it after all ;)

Heinz68
08-15-06, 02:58 AM
wont make what? theyve got the enthusiest market in the palms of their hands, all they have to do is hit a swich and intel wont even be in the high end margen for 6+ months of course the enthusiest market doesnt really matter profit-wise, thats why they are securing as many oem deals as possible. 4 years ago, you couldnt buy a oem amd system, today its almost the oposite, hp, compaq, emachines, and now dell. IMO its intel that wont be making it after all ;)Why not read what K007 was replying to and than you would know the answer to your question.
K007 believed he had an option to stick with AMD and update his 939 system with X2 5000.
Since he doesn't have that option, he did mean no AMD upgrade for now, on his system.
Sure he was not talking about AMD not making it in general, like you're clearly talking about Intel not making it.
What a nonsense.
On top, sure you don't know what's going to happen in six months, so it's just very wild speculation on your part, like many off your other posts.

Right now there is only one think for sure "upgrading to Socket AM2 would be efin stupid", that's why you see so many post here about Core 2 Duo upgrade which you already admitted bothers you.

Upgrading to Core 2 Duo also has tremendous overclocking value for enthusiast who doesn't want to spend too much money.
Here one more time the AnandTech qoute: "the overclocked E6300 is essentially out of reach of anything AMD can offer with their current K8 designs."
Today at pricegrabber the first five listing for E6300 are $205 upto $210, just little over the suggested price.

Don't forget the options the enthusiast had in May 2005 when AMD introduced the first four Athlons 64 X2,
the lowest priced X2 4200+ was selling for over $600 USD and the X2 4800+ for $1200 USD

So doesn't matter what problem you have with Intel, you should at least thank them for making the AMD CPU's much more affordable.

Dazz
08-15-06, 12:12 PM
Well i saw the first review of the X2 3600+ with 256k cache and against the X2 3800+ it was at most 5% slower average was 2%. With it overclocked to 2.6GHz default volage it out passed the X5000+ due the faster memory clock and FSB.

Phyxion
08-15-06, 12:20 PM
I wait for the next generation CPU's, then I will upgrade(nana2)

DarkJedi664
08-15-06, 12:27 PM
People believe benchmarks like it's the Bible or something. Only get it if you HONESTLY think it's going to benefit you, for what you do. Personally, I'd rather get a new video card that will dramatically increase my performance than buy a CPU that will tell people that your SuperPI score is better than mine. Only other thing I use my CPU for, would be to convert DVD9's to DVD5; and for that, I leave it on overnight, so I really don't care.

a12ctic
08-15-06, 12:44 PM
the only thing that i really stress my cpu is running superpi :)

Starscream
08-15-06, 12:45 PM
That's an insane price considering the cost price of the 4600 is under 300 canadian.

coldpower27
08-15-06, 01:34 PM
That's an insane price considering the cost price of the 4600 is under 300 canadian.

The pricing curve gets extremely steep as you approach higher end SKU's

4600+ is 240US so I guess ~300 CAN is reasonable for it in Canada.

I just hope we can get good prices for our Core 2 Duos here.

AliceCooper
08-15-06, 04:57 PM
The pricing curve gets extremely steep as you approach higher end SKU's

4600+ is 240US so I guess ~300 CAN is reasonable for it in Canada.

I just hope we can get good prices for our Core 2 Duos here.

It depends on how you game. Look at my sig. I went from Intel 3.2 to A64 3500 and kept my X800XTPE gfx card. Saw a big gaming upgrade.

Then bought this 7900GT 512mb PCI-e card. Saw another big gaming upgrade.

Now just bought X2 4600. Again games r better. Never changed the mobo and all components run flawlessly didn't even need new bios.

To update to C2D means new mobol/cpu/ram at exorbitant prices. I will wait until next gen ATI/nvidia card before updating my rig.

Very happy with my choice as no games really tax my system.

:D (nana2) (nana2) :D

coldpower27
08-15-06, 08:29 PM
It depends on how you game. Look at my sig. I went from Intel 3.2 to A64 3500 and kept my X800XTPE gfx card. Saw a big gaming upgrade.

Then bought this 7900GT 512mb PCI-e card. Saw another big gaming upgrade.

Now just bought X2 4600. Again games r better. Never changed the mobo and all components run flawlessly didn't even need new bios.

To update to C2D means new mobol/cpu/ram at exorbitant prices. I will wait until next gen ATI/nvidia card before updating my rig.

Very happy with my choice as no games really tax my system.

:D (nana2) (nana2) :D

I am not suggesting a Core 2 Duo upgrade for exisiting Socket 939 owners, I have said this before already though.

Mr_LoL
08-15-06, 09:19 PM
The pricing curve gets extremely steep as you approach higher end SKU's

4600+ is 240US so I guess ~300 CAN is reasonable for it in Canada.

I just hope we can get good prices for our Core 2 Duos here.

When do you plan on upgrading your comp. Looking at your specs you need it really badly:D

Heinz68
08-16-06, 02:07 AM
People believe benchmarks like it's the Bible or something. Only get it if you HONESTLY think it's going to benefit you, for what you do. Personally, I'd rather get a new video card that will dramatically increase my performance than buy a CPU that will tell people that your SuperPI score is better than mine. Only other thing I use my CPU for, would be to convert DVD9's to DVD5; and for that, I leave it on overnight, so I really don't care.For me when it comes to upgrading, the review benchmarks are the most important in order to make the right choice and sure I wouldn't go by only one hardware site review.
On your system you might benefit the most by upgrading the video card, few might benefit more by upgrading the CPU, most of us like me would benefit by upgrading both. :)

I believe most buyers need the benchmarks to make an intelligent choice. Some people use the benchmarks to get the fastest PC money can buy. Many like me with lower PC budget use the benchmarks in order to get the best performance/value ratio PC. Based on my budget. :)

Heinz68
08-16-06, 02:17 AM
The pricing curve gets extremely steep as you approach higher end SKU's

4600+ is 240US so I guess ~300 CAN is reasonable for it in Canada.

I just hope we can get good prices for our Core 2 Duos here.I buy most of my PC stuff in Toronto at "PC Village Computers" (http://www.pcvonline.com/index.aspx) (7 locations) they usually have the best price.
AMD 64 X2 4600 = $282 CAD about 251 USD
Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 = $239 CAD about 213 USD
Currency Converter (http://www.xe.com/ucc/)

At pricegrabber.com (http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Intel_Core_2_Duo_E6300_Dual_Core_Processor,__22 879554/sort_type=price) today the first five listings for Core 2 Duo E6300 are $199.00 up to $206.75 USD
Looks like prices are slowly coming down only yesterday the first five listings were $205 to $210

Anyway the "PC Village" price compares not so bad with the US prices and for you no shipping.
Good prices in Toronto also at pccanada.com (http://www.pccanada.com/)

BrianG
08-16-06, 07:04 AM
It is funny about this whole Conroe upgrade path...

I have a friend that is building a system right now, upgrading from Socket 754. He wants to move forward with buying a processor/mobo, 7900GTX, etc. I told him to get the best deal he could on an AM2 4600+ (~250)and to get the new Asus Crosshair 590SLI which features onboard DTS Connect encoding. Where are the 590SLI Conroe boards? Where is the supply of higher end Conroes? He doesn't want to overclock. He doesn't fold at home and his friends aren't impressed by SuperPi when everyone else is playing games.

So a $250 processor now, the mobo sticks around, the AMD 65nm jump in happens Winter and he gets a new CPU in the Spring to last another year or so. OK, there will be faster systems out there, but there always are.

Am I just nuts?

K007
08-16-06, 07:54 AM
Erm why not get intel core duo if u plan to do a full upgrade..its really pointless to upgrade to a new am2 system..939 maybe..cause they are cheap..but i would go core duo..e6600