Just got a GeForce FX 5800 Ultra

[BladeRunner]

It think it's an early sample, and it got a bit battered in transit, a couple of the caps were bent over a bit, and the FX flow plastic part cracked in one area. Not sure if it's related, but the text in 2d has some smudging, looks like a white vapour trail off to the right of the text and images?.

Doesn't matter for this samples purpose, as it's being sent back soon anyway, I was expecting a dead card for my purposes. Another thing that leads me to think it's an early sample is that it's not fan throttling in 2d, but running flat out, and yes it's true.....flat out the FX flow sounds similar to a delta CPU fan to me.

Haven't done anything else with it yet but the complete FX flow cooler comes off the card with ease, all of it unscrews or unclips. Something I noticed is the backside ram sink is not copper, but alu with a copper, (or copper effect), plating. It also gets extremely hot indicating the ram chips get very hot.

My water cooler appears to fit perfectly with just some minor filing & base milling in one area :)

[Neova]

Keep us posted with your "engineering"! Droolz...

[creedamd]

Originally posted by BladeRunner
It think it's an early sample, and it got a bit battered in transit, a couple of the caps were bent over a bit, and the FX flow plastic part cracked in one area. Not sure if it's related, but the text in 2d has some smudging, looks like a white vapour trail off to the right of the text and images?.

Doesn't matter for this samples purpose, as it's being sent back soon anyway, I was expecting a dead card for my purposes. Another thing that leads me to think it's an early sample is that it's not fan throttling in 2d, but running flat out, and yes it's true.....flat out the FX flow sounds similar to a delta CPU fan to me.

Haven't done anything else with it yet but the complete FX flow cooler comes off the card with ease, all of it unscrews or unclips. Something I noticed is the backside ram sink is not copper, but alu with a copper, (or copper effect), plating. It also gets extremely hot indicating the ram chips get very hot.

My water cooler appears to fit perfectly with just some minor filing & base milling in one area :)

pics??

[silence]

which part is making more heat?

[kyleb]

sweet BladeRunner, any chance you running 3dmark03 with some various drivers and post back with your scores and make note of any visual anomiles? i know the drivers tested with the impresive scores are not readaly avalble but i realy am interested for some first hand report of if the geforcefx is effected by the same issues noted with the newer beta drivers on other cards.

also don't supose they gave you any of their cool demos to play with?

[The_KELRaTH]

I believe you can grab 42.68 drivers from Guru3D, viewing the 3DMark scores from IXBT it would seem these are much the same as HardOCP's 42.67.

[BladeRunner]

I was running the 42.68's when I had it in but the fan noise was too much to bare for long, so I'm back with the R 9700 until the FX has the water-cooler mounted.

When running the card in 2d the main frontside FX Flow cooler was no more than warm, but the backside alu ram sink was 53C in a 20c room ambient with open case no case fans, (the fan was running flat out in 2D and does not appear to throttle on this example). Not really tested it in 3D properly yet as I lost my o/s and most backup discs recently due to a break in at my house, so downloading everything is going to take a while on a 33k dial up... more on that HERE (http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5676&perpage=25&pagenumber=3).

It's not mine to keep for long, and was just a card in a jiffy bag that came by post a was a bit battered on arival, (no box or discs). I have limited time due to work etc, so benching is something I wont be doing. Apart from lack of time I hold little value to anything the futuremark app indicates, as all previous mad onion versions are biased in some way or another to certian hardware, and also not a true indication of actual game performance.

will have some pics of this FX up soon

[kyleb]

lol BladeRunner, you didnt have to parphase the nvidia press release to me, i read their rhetoric when it came out. im sorry i mistook guess i mistook you for type of person who was interested the avanceing gameing industry.

[savyj]

Originally posted by kyleb
lol BladeRunner, you didnt have to parphase the nvidia press release to me, i read their rhetoric when it came out. im sorry i mistook guess i mistook you for type of person who was interested the avanceing gameing industry.
Sigh... speaking of rhetoric. I know!... everytime somebody posts anything remotely in support of NVIDIA's stance (like half the friggin hardware websites out there) why don't you mindlessly criticize them as spouting NVIDIA's rhetoric. That's much better than assuming the person has their own opinion and is capable of thinking for themselves.

Instead of slamming people in an unconstructive manner, try using acurate, objective statements to highlight YOUR perspective. You'll be aiding the community instead of bringing it down.

[savyj]

BladeRunner, I'm not familiar with what you do. I take it you are building a water block for the FX?

[BladeRunner]

kyleb

Maybe I missed something, but I don't remember starting this topic saying I was going to benchmark it?. I'm just a gamer / modder and was giving my first impressions of the card as such, (something that's not always well put over by the review sites, as it becomes a chore to a lot of those that do it as a job).

Very interesting how you percieved my comments. As far as being the type of person who was interested the advancing gaming industry, I'd have to say I'm not in a position or do I have the skill equipment or time to properly test the card to be able to give a true picture that would be anywhere near as good as the best hardware review sites, so I'd rather not try. There are dozens of performance reviews out there if that's what you need, I'm more interested in the physical card and it's design/ cooling etc, with a view to water-cooling it.

My comments about 3D MK are not of the moment, but generally through all versions, and are just that...... my opinion which is why I said "I hold little value to anything the futuremark app indicates"

I have since been informed this FX card was sent to me as dead because of the text issue I mentioned.

For those that haven't seen what I do yet click my sig ;)

[Smokey]

Its always nice to see your work BladeRunner :)
It will be interesting how the card performs after you have modded it. Funny that you mention the heat of the memory, as I have stated in a few threads already, that the main heat problem may be due to the DDRII memory, as it was reported that that has been the biggest problem thus far with DDRII, heat! Instead everyone likes to just go ahead and blame the chipset for the heat :rolleyes: Lets hope that the memory chipsets get better soon.

[gokickrocks]

hey bladerunner, if you ever switch to the gf fx, would you consider selling your 9700 mem block to me? :D

or would you be able to duplicate 1?

[kyleb]

BladeRunner, was not suggesting you should work to single handedly advance the game indusrsty, only i had check out you sig and acutaly seen that waterblock at somewhere before, and in contrast to that i found it odd that you plased no intrest in investaging the advancement in the gameing inudsty. obviously the very recent dx9 is a part of that and 3dmark03 is the fist benchmarking aplication based on that feature set. dissmissing that is damn near as bad a claiming that oj was innocent becuase the glove did not fit. mind you, i am not anti nvidia or anti anyone, only anti bs, for crying out loud, i want the beter 3dmark03 scores to be true for the fx, but the strange circumstances surounding the topic do much to cast doubt on the sitation. sure there are reviews out there but they are very fishy, you on the otherhand i was hopeing we could trust to report on the issue the other review compleatly overlook.

as for the pr rhetoric, it has been discussed quite a bit elsewere but i supose i will review the points in question here:

1) while 3dmark03 is not gods gift to benchmarking sent down on a white horse from heven, that does not make it the spawn of satan either. all benchmarks only hold little value in the overall comupting industry, to dissmiss any one for that reason is absurd.

2) showing newer techonology in a beter light is not being bias, showing superior techonology in a beter light is not bias either. considering that; there is not a benchmark in this planet which could be argued as unbiased.

3) while not intictive of actual gameing preformace, all benchmarks are guilty, 3dmark is less indicitive of that which it sets out to replicate as a q3 timedemo is indicitive of q3 gameplay. sure 3dmark does not use an engine implemented in an actual game, but then again most games don't use an engine implemented in another game either. on the otherhand, 3dmark does make use of the dx rendering api in order to alow the benchmarks of grapics cards useing technology that is avalable to all game developers.


also i do understand that you are interested in playing whith the cooling and i respect that, from what i have seen you are damn good in the feild and i don't like deta blacklabel soundlevel any more than you do. however, again i am dissapointed that you are not willing to spare the 10 minutes it would take to answer the quetsion which everyone else with a fx has been extreemly tight liped on and the only argument. regardless, i respect your choice either way, i just have little respect for some of the arguments you presented as noted above.

[BladeRunner]

Umm..... I'm not really wanting to go down this road any further as it appears you are trying to make a mountian out of a mole hill.

Going by your way of thinking it would be very wrong for me to do, or show any information or performance figures for this card as it was sent to me as a dead example, and may have been from a pre production batch.

If I were set-up for it I would maybe have a go but like said I have lost everything recently and downloading things on a dial up takes so long, I don't have DX9 or 3d mk atm. The card was sent to me for a reason and I barely have the time at the moment to do that. I could understand your comments more If I had said "I have an FX..... benchmarks to follow". What you say is partly true about 3dMk but my opinion of it is based of previous versions. maybe this one will be more realstic.

[kyleb]

first off, i never claimed that you were under any obligation to bechmark the card, i was hopeing you would so i and i didn't think it would hurt to ask. i was not put off by the fact that you did not accept my request, i was simply offened by the arguemnts you used to back up your dission. you see, sence i have apparntly not made this clear enough yet; i just want to know if the newer drivers are omiting things from rendering in order to achive the prefomace gains reported by recent reviews. i am not trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill, only tring to figure out if i am looking at a mountain or a mole hill. with your blatent disrespect for my intrest you are obviously the one buliding a mountain at this point, one right in front of me. also you claim that what i was saying was only partialy true, so according to you another part of what i say to be untrue. i am willing to accept the possablity that i might be misguided; however, you have yet to show anything to prove that i am, yet you still imply i am lying in some unspecified way. so i pose the question directly; what evedence do you have to slander my statments with the implecation of deceit?

[BladeRunner]

It's clear to me you are just set on making a fuss over nothing. I gave you valid reasons to begin with:-

"It's not mine to keep for long, and was just a card in a jiffy bag that came by post a was a bit battered on arival, (no box or discs). I have limited time due to work etc, so benching is something I wont be doing"

"I don't have DX9 or 3d mk atm. The card was sent to me for a reason and I barely have the time at the moment to do that"

and

"it would be very wrong for me to do, or show any information or performance figures for this card as it was sent to me as a dead example, and may have been from a pre production batch"

If I had games or 3d mk DX9 downloaded and installed I'd test it out for what you mention, but I'm doing other things to the card, not benchmarking it, which as I had already stated I have little time to do anyway. If you choose to disbelive my reasons then that's just fine:

Back on topic.

http://zytec.worldonline.co.uk/pictures/jpgs/fx000.jpg

http://zytec.worldonline.co.uk/pictures/jpgs/fx001.jpg

http://zytec.worldonline.co.uk/pictures/jpgs/fx002.jpg

http://zytec.worldonline.co.uk/pictures/jpgs/fx003.jpg

[volt]

kyleb: you are done here.

Back to the topic..I'm sorry about this BladeRunner :)

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by kyleb
2) showing newer techonology in a beter light is not being bias, showing superior techonology in a beter light is not bias either. considering that; there is not a benchmark in this planet which could be argued as unbiased.

showing something in a better light than something else is the definition of bias.

[Skynet]

I can't believe kyleb was banned for that. Yea sure he was pushy as hell and would not take no for an answer but still! I have been flamed FAR worse and never thought the person should be banned or had their kneecaps turned to rubber or anything like that.

NE way, BladeRunner did you dismantle the card and photograph it? That looks like a heatpipe of some type is that correct? Very interesting. That is one serious cooling solution no doubt about it. Can you run 3DMark03 while you are at it? :angel:

kidding! :D

[kyleb]

i hope im not baned, after all i did not call any of his more recent arguments absurd anyway; only complaned that his orignal arguments were the same pr drivel we got from nvidia just days before. seems odd for someone to get banned just for saying how it is doesnt it?

[Lezmaka]

Originally posted by Slappi
WTF is wrong with you ....... is this Ho from ATI?

No, just a someone who seems to have trouble with reading comprehension.

[volt]

No one is banned, just get back to the topic...NOW :D

[fastguy94416]

I'm curious Bladerunner, is it in your genes to be so antipathic toward noise? I am running a delta 38 and a few high speed 120 and 80mm fans, yet I never have been bothered by it. Keep up the good work, some day even I may try watercooling.

[volt]

I asked nicely :)
You made me delete 2-3 posts :rolleyes: