G80 on Sept. 6 ?

[superklye]

Where's that popcorn emoticon?

[russ_3d]

Where's that popcorn emoticon?

gone on his holidays - he'll be back in a few weeks :p

[Redeemed]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010380048+1069609641+106790717+ 1067920130&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=48

Wow. :o

Look, Xion, before now the last price I had seen for the 7900GTX was around $550 to $650 dollars. Obviously they have dropped tremendously in price. I can see now why you're defending the GTX so much.

Before, I was arguing that the 7950GT offered more "bang for the buck" because I was under the impression that the 7900GTX would be approximately double the cost of a 7950GT. I now see that I was wrong.

I do agree that I would definitely choose a 7900GTX over the 7950GT simply cause the GTX is so cheap now.

Had I known how little the GTX cost before, this debate would have never take place. And I feel even more so that the 7950GT is an extreme waste of resources.

I do apologize for this mistake on my part. ;)

300$ more than the 7950GT? What are you smoking? You can pick up a GTX for around 420$ now.

And, I'm still baffled at your examples and analogies. Do you not think 15-20 frames/second is significant enough to warrant a little more cash? Say 100-120$? Your expectations in performance/price are about as different as it gets. I've never seen another individual with your mindset.

At that time I was unaware of how inexpensive the GTX was. Now I'd have to agree with you that my argument was inaccurate. Again, my bad. ;)

A straw-man is creating an argument for the person you are debating with that they never made, and then arguing against that position. It's a convenient way to change direction in a discussion without having to back up any of your original assertions.

I've never done that. And if I ever came across as doing such a thing, then I apologize yet again.

[hemmy]

Actually, there are only 3 real differences from the 7950GT and the 7900GTX:

1.)Slower GPU clock (by 100MHz)

2.)Slower RAM (I believe by only 200Mhz, though I might be off there)

3.)Single slot cooling.

By getting a good aftermarket cooler, I'm quite confident one could easily reach the GPU and Memory speeds of the GTX without having any problems- mainly due to nVidia not using that plagued ram that has doomed the 7900GTX.

So, essentially, for about $350 you can have a 7900GTX. For about $700 to at worst $800 you can have the performance of 2x7900GTXs. How is that not reason to get hyped? BTW, those costs are including a $50 aftermarket cooler and estimating for shipping/tax aswell.

Yup, I'm all for the 7950GT myself. Hard to find a better performing card for that price. And no, the x1950XTX don't even come close.

Honestly the x1900xt walks over it for the same price

[Redeemed]

Honestly the x1900xt walks over it for the same price

Hence my post just before yours.

Anyways, any Radeon card is out of the question for me simply cause I've already got an SLi motherboard- and I do intend to use SLi. Unless somebody knows of a fully functionaly method of runnind dual Radeon cards on an nForce4 SLi based mobo... I'm stuck with nVidia. ;)

Now that I've seen just how cheap the 7900GTX is, I'm not sure whether to plop down the cash for dual 7900GTXs or just hold off untill G80. I guess, I could go with the dual 7900GTXs and when G80 is here sell the 7900GTXs.

Decisions, decisions! :(

[retsam]

im holding on for the g80......mh 7800gt is doing what i want it todo...so im all good for now.

[Redeemed]

im holding on for the g80......mh 7800gt is doing what i want it todo...so im all good for now.

I know. And my dual 7600GTs is almost equivalent to a single 7800GT. Performance right now isn't my concern. I highly doubt my dual 7600GTs would do well in Crysis is my concern.

As such, I know that dual 7900GTXs would be more then enough power to run Crysis atleast at medium settings, medium AA, and a rather high resolution. And, when G80 is released, I could then sell my dual 7900GTXs for atleast most the money needed for dual G80s.

Why not? Still thinking it over though. With my income it is a tough choice. I've had to save a long @$$ time to have enough to dump down like this- want to only have to do it once (I'm dreading getting a GTX with the "old" ram chips on it).

[Xion X2]

No hard feelings, Redeemed. You just had me quite confused as to your ideas concerning the 7950GT vs GTX. I apologize if I sounded a little wound-up. It just sort of irritates me when some people think a new card will outperform an older card just because it's "new." There really is no use for this card (7950GT), IMO, and--although you're of course free to have your own opinion, it's nice to see that we're thinking along the same lines now.

How do your dual 7600GT's handle games right now? If they do fine, then if I were you I would wait for G80 like I'm doing. Even though the GTX is a fine card, and will play any game out there right now with ease, I wouldn't advise anyone to go with GTX SLi this close to DX10.

I don't know whether or not the triple-buffering/vsyncing issue will be fixed with DX10. I expect that it will be with all the optimizations we've seen with DX10 so far, but just in case it's not, a single-card solution would allow you this option whereas an SLi setup wouldn't. A lot of guys don't seem to care about screen-tearing for some odd reason, but I absolutely cannot stand it. It destroys any image quality you've gained by increased AF/AA when your screen has 4 or 5 lines going across it.

What kind of benchmarks do you get out of that setup you have? Have you ran any 3dMark tests with it?

[Redeemed]

No hard feelings, Redeemed. You just had me quite confused as to your ideas concerning the 7950GT vs GTX. I apologize if I sounded a little wound-up. It just sort of irritates me when some people think a new card will outperform an older card just because it's "new." There really is no use for this card (7950GT), IMO, and--although you're of course free to have your own opinion, it's nice to see that we're thinking along the same lines now.

Yeah, I was just confused on the pricing. I was thinking that he 7900GTX was still a $600 card, in which the 7950GT would offer the better value. But now, as I have seen just how cheap the 7900GTX- I fully agree that the 7950 is unnecessary. Again, had I known how inexpensive the 7900GTX is before this debate, well, we never would have even had the debate. ;) You were spot-on 100%. ;)


How do your dual 7600GT's handle games right now? If they do fine, then if I were you I would wait for G80 like I'm doing. Even though the GTX is a fine card, and will play any game out there right now with ease, I wouldn't advise anyone to go with GTX SLi this close to DX10.

From what I'm used to (AGP 6800GT, 1Gb cheapo ram) they scream. I'm playing every game I own at least @ 16 x 12 with 2xQ AA/16xAF, vsync enabled (no TB), and all IQ options maxed. Quake4 is the exception as I have it set to "Ultra", and as such am playing it at 12 x 10. But it still looks excetionaly great and plays smooth as butter. :D


I don't know whether or not the triple-buffering/vsyncing issue will be fixed with DX10. I expect that it will be with all the optimizations we've seen with DX10 so far, but just in case it's not, a single-card solution would allow you this option whereas an SLi setup wouldn't. A lot of guys don't seem to care about screen-tearing for some odd reason, but I absolutely cannot stand it. It destroys any image quality you've gained by increased AF/AA when your screen has 4 or 5 lines going across it.

Actually, I play everygame with vsync and it runs just fine. Once in a blue moon I might notice a hickup, but seldom does that happen. As such, screen tearing really isn't effecting me. :D


What kind of benchmarks do you get out of that setup you have? Have you ran any 3dMark tests with it?

3DMark06 @ 1920x1440:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=438801

3DMark05 @Defualts:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=2164481

I have yet to run 06 @ straight defualts, but I'll do that if you'd like.

Considering that I'm still using a s754 3400, those scores don't seem too shabby. :)

[PeterJensen]

The G80 will be out in the first half of November :)

[Domell]

The G80 will be out in the first half of November :)

How do You know that??;)

[PeterJensen]

How do You know that??;)

I dont know if it will be November (my guess) but i know a person that works for Club3d. He said this year :p

[PeterJensen]

He also said, that they usually know the specs of the "new" chip quite a bit before. But this time they have NO info on the specs yet so he expects they will get them in the last minute.

[Redeemed]

He also said, that they usually know the specs of the "new" chip quite a bit before. But this time they have NO info on the specs yet so he expects they will get them in the last minute.

Good news. :)

[Xion X2]

Redeemed-- Your scores are pretty good. This late in the game, there's no way I'd go with a DX9 card(s) if I were in your shoes considering your benchmark scores and the settings you're running games at. Your setup should get you by until the DX10 cards hit--especially if they hit this year like Jensen predicts. If you don't mind dishing out a little extra dough for Vista, then I would wait. By the time you spend the money on two GTX's you could probably pay for the G80/R600 and Vista, anyway.

I sure hope you're right, Jensen. :)

[candle_86]

I must bring up one thing, if the 7950GT can oc like the 7900GT did, then those that cant afford a 7900GTX will get compable speeds, not as high as a 7900GTX oc but close. I have mine running at 680/1640 right now. Dont want to push it futher.

[Xion X2]

680/1640 on a 7950GT? That's actually really good. Have you benchmarked it yet? I'd like to compare it to what I'm getting on my GTX.

[candle_86]

680/1640 on a 7950GT? That's actually really good. Have you benchmarked it yet? I'd like to compare it to what I'm getting on my GTX.

no atm my hard drive is to small to waste with benchmarking stuff, my 250 died and im using an 8gb right now. IF this helps I run CSS at 16x12 with 2xaa and 4xaf and average around 63FPS on a 32person server in Office exteneded. My had might be a bottleneck though, its only 5600RPM

[Redeemed]

Redeemed-- Your scores are pretty good. This late in the game, there's no way I'd go with a DX9 card(s) if I were in your shoes considering your benchmark scores and the settings you're running games at. Your setup should get you by until the DX10 cards hit--especially if they hit this year like Jensen predicts. If you don't mind dishing out a little extra dough for Vista, then I would wait. By the time you spend the money on two GTX's you could probably pay for the G80/R600 and Vista, anyway.

I sure hope you're right, Jensen. :)

That is good medicine, and what I'll most likely wind up doing.