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sonaboy
02-15-03, 06:41 PM
I was sent this letter this morning, and thought i'd share it with you all. ----->


Subject: Home in Belgrade
From: Thorne Anderson

Sorry to unload just one long letter on all of you. I didn't intend it
that way, but this is what spilled out. I am writing to let friends and
family know that I am home in Belgrade after spending a month in Iraq .
Kael was in Belgrade with me last week. She just returned from 10 days
in Albania with the NY Times. Before that, she was in Bosnia with US
News. We were lucky we could both be home at the same time. She's back
in Bosnia with the NY Times this weekend.

Some of you have written to me with concerns for my safety in Iraq,
but this was easily one of the safest assignments I have taken. In all
my time in Iraq , in spite of an intense awareness of the threat of an
impending attack by the United States , I never met a single Iraqi who
had a harsh word for me. Iraqis are very good at distinguishing between
the U.S. government and a U.S. citizen. Some friends and family are also
already wondering why I would want to go back to Iraq , as I am
committed and already anxious to do. It just seems to me that as a
photojournalist, Iraq is where I might best play a role in making a
small difference.

I did some work for Newsweek and Time magazines while in Iraq , but
that kind of work has really become secondary for me. I do what I can to
influence (in admittedly small ways) what kinds of stories those big
magazines do, but ultimately their stories are nearly worthless at
confronting the inhumanity of American foreign policy in the Middle
East. I will continue to work with Time and Newsweek (and with other
corporate media) on stories that I don't find offensive, but the bulk of
my efforts are now going into reaching alternative media and in
supporting anti-war groups in the states. I hope I can find some time
soon to come to the states for a speaking tour of sorts.

There's a lot of talk about whether or not the U.S. will go to war with
Iraq . What many people don't realize is that the U.S. is already at war
in Iraq . I made two trips last month into the "no-fly zone" created by
the U.S. with Britain and France in southern Iraq . Actually it would be
better named the "only we fly" zone or the "we bomb" zone. "We" refers
to the United States who does almost all of the flying and bombing
(France pulled out years ago, and Britain is largely a nominal
participant). There is another no-fly zone in the north, which the U.S.
says it maintains to protect the Kurds, but while the U.S. prevents
Iraqi aircraft from entering the region, it does nothing to prevent or
even to criticize Turkey (a U.S. ally) from flying into northern Iraq on
numerous occasions to bomb Kurdish communities there.

Turkey 's bombing in Iraq is dwarfed by that of the U.S. The U.S. has
been bombing Iraq on a weekly and sometimes daily basis for the past 12
years. There were seven civilians killed in these bombings about two
weeks ago, and I'm told of more civilians last week, but I'm sure that
didn't get much or perhaps any press in the U.S. It is estimated that
U.S. bombing has killed 500 Iraqis just since 1999. Actually I believe
that number to be higher if you take into account the effects of the
massive use of depleted uranium (DU) in the bombing. The U.S. has
dropped well in excess of 300 tons of this radioactive material in Iraq
(30 times the amount dropped in Kosovo) since 1991. Some of the DU is
further contaminated with other radioactive particles including
Neptunium and Plutonium 239, perhaps the most carcinogenic of all
radioactive materials, and these particles are now beginning to show up
in ground water samples.

I spent a lot of time in overcrowded cancer wards in Iraqi hospitals.
Since U.S. bombing began in Iraq , cancer rates have increased nearly
six fold in the south, where U.S. bombing and consequent levels of DU
are most severe. The most pronounced increases are in leukaemia and
lung, kidney, and thyroid cancers associated with poisoning by heavy
metals (such as DU). But the most lethal weapon in Iraq is the intense
sanctions regime. The toll of the sanctions is one of the most
under-reported stories of the past decade in the U.S. press. I have seen
a few references to the sanctions recently in the U.S. press, but
invariably they will subtly discredit humanitarian concerns by relying
on Iraqi government statements rather than on the statistics of
international agencies. My careless colleague at Time magazine, for
example, recently reported that "the Iraqi government blames the
sanctions for the deaths of thousands of children under the age of
five." That's simply not true. The Iraqi government, in fact, blames the
sanctions for the deaths of *more than a million* children under the age
of five. But lets put that figure aside, for there's no need to rely
solely on the Iraqi government, and let's refer instead to UNICEF and
WHO reports which blame the sanctions directly for the excess deaths of
approximately 500,000 children under the age of five, and nearly a
million Iraqis of all ages.

We all have an idea of the grief borne by the United States after the
September 11 attacks. Employing the crude mathematics of casualty
figures, multiply that grief by 300 and place it on the hearts of a
country with one tenth the population of the United States and perhaps
we can get a crude idea of what kind of suffering has already been
inflicted on the Iraqi people in the past decade.

The greatest killer of young children in Iraq is dehydration from
diarrhrea caused by water-borne illnesses which are amplified by the
intentional destruction of water treatment and sanitation facilities by
the United States . The U.S. plan for destroying water treatment
facilities and suppressing their rehabilitation was outlined just before
the American entry into the 1991 Gulf War. The January, 1991, Dept. of
Defense document, "Iraq Water Treatment Vulnerabilities," goes into
great detail about how the destruction of water treatment facilities and
their subsequent impairment by the sanctions regime will lead to
"increased incidences, if not epidemics, of disease." I can report from
my time in Iraq that all is going to plan.

Cholera, hepatitis, and typhoid (previously almost unheard of in Iraq )
are now quite common. Malaria and, of course, dysentery are rampant, and
immunities to all types of disease are extremely low. Even those lucky
children who manage to get a sufficient daily caloric intake risk losing
it all to diarrhrea. Around 4,000 children die every month from
starvation and preventable disease in Iraq -- a six-fold increase since
pre-sanctions measurements.

Treatment of illnesses in Iraq is complicated by the inability of
hospitals to get the drugs they need through the wall of sanctions. In a
hospital in Baghdad I encountered a mother with a very sick one-year-old
child. After the boy's circumcision ceremony, the child was found to
have a congenital disease which inhibits his blood's ability to clot,
which results in excessive bleeding. The child encountered further
complications when he took a fall and sustained a head injury which was
slowly drowning his brain in his own blood. In any other country the boy
would simply take regular doses
of a drug called Factor 8, and he could then lead a relatively normal
life. But an order for Factor 8 was put "on hold" by the United States
(prohibited for import), so the doctor, the mother, and I could only
watch the child die.

Much is made of Iraq 's alleged possession of weapons of mass
destruction, but it is the sanctions, the use of depleted uranium, and
the destruction of Iraq 's health and sanitation infrastructure that are
the weapons of greatest mass destruction in Iraq .

The situation is so bad that Dennis Halliday, the former Humanitarian
Coordinator for the UN in Iraq, took the dramatic step of resigning his
position in protest at the sanctions. "We are in the process of
destroying an entire society," Halliday wrote. "It is as simple and
terrifying as that. It is illegal and immoral." And Halliday isn't
alone. His successor, Hans Von Sponeck, also resigned in protest and
went so far as to describe the sanctions as genocide. These are not
left-wing radicals. These are career bureaucrats who chose to throw away
their careers at the UN rather than give tacit support to unethical
policies driven by the United States .

Being in Iraq showed me the utter devastation U.S. policy (war and
sanctions) has wrought there and has given me a vision of what horror a
new war would bring. And, of course, an attack on Iraq would be just the
beginning of a terrifying chain of reactions throughout the Middle East
and the rest of the world. Having worked in Afghanistan , Pakistan ,
Israel and Palestine in the past year, I am intensely aware of how the
fragile politics and powers outside Iraq can be dramatically unsettled
by a U.S. invasion within Iraq .

It's easy to imagine an impending tragedy of enormous proportion before
us, and I ask myself who must step up and take responsibility for
stopping it. Clearly the U.S. government is the most powerful actor, but
it is equally clear that we cannot turn aside and realistically expect
the U.S. government to suddenly reverse the momentum it has created for
war. So I feel the weight of responsibility on me, on U.S. citizens, to
do whatever we can with our individually small but collectively powerful
means to change the course of our government's policy. I try to picture
myself 10 or 20 years in the future, and I don't want to be in the
position where I reflect on the enormous tragedies of the beginning of
the 21st century and admit that I did nothing at all to recognize or
prevent them.

I don't know how this letter will sound to my friends and family who are
living in the U.S. , in a media environment which does very little to
effectively question U.S. policy and almost nothing to encourage
ordinary people to participate in making a change. I imagine this letter
may sound like the political rant of some kind of extremist or
anti-American dissident. But that's not how it feels to me. This doesn't
feel like a political issue to me so much as it feels like a personal
issue. I am appalled on a very human level at the suffering which U.S.
policy is already inflicting and I am terrified by the prospects for an
even more chaotic and violent future.

And let's be honest about U.S. policy aims. Those in the U.S. government pushing for war say they are doing so to promote democracy, to protect the rights of minorities, and to rid the region of weapons of mass destruction. But is the U.S. threatening to attack Saudi Arabia or a host of other U.S. allies which have similarly un-democratic regimes?
How many of us would advocate going to war with Turkey over the brutal
repression of its Kurdish minority and of the Kurds in Iraq? And do we
expect the U.S. to bomb Israel or Pakistan which each have hundreds of nuclear weapons? Let's remember that leaders in the previous weapons inspection team in Iraq had declared that 95% of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities were destroyed. And let's not forget that in the 1980s, when Iraq was actually using chemical weapons against the Kurds and the Iranian army, the U.S. had nothing to say about it. On the contrary, at that time President Reagan sent a U.S. envoy to Iraq to normalize diplomatic relations, to support its war with Iran , and to offer subsidies for preferential trade with Iraq . That envoy arrived in Baghdad on the very day that the UN confirmed Iraq 's use of chemical weapons, and he said absolutely nothing about it. That envoy, by the way, was Donald Rumsfeld.

While Iraq probably has very little weaponry to actually threaten the
United States , they do have oil. According to a recent survey of the
West Qurna and Majnoon oil fields in southern Iraq , they may even have
the world's largest oil reserves, surpassing those of Saudi Arabia.
Let's be honest about U.S. policy aims and ask ourselves if we can, in
good conscience, support continued destruction of Iraq in order to
control its oil.

I believe that most Americans -- Republicans, Democrats, Greens, Purples or whatever -- would be similarly horrified by the effects of sanctions on the civilian population of Iraq if they could simply see the place, as I have, up close in its human dimensions; if they could see Iraq as a nation of 22 million mothers, sons, daughters, teachers, doctors,
mechanics, and window washers, and not simply as a single cartoonish
villain. I genuinely believe that my view of Iraq is a view that would
sit comfortably in mainstream America if most Americans could see Iraq with their own eyes and not simply through the eyes of a media
establishment which has simply gotten used to ignoring the death and
destruction which perpetuates American foreign policy aims.

While the American media fixates on the evils of the "repressive regime
of Saddam Hussein," both real and wildly exaggerated, how often are we reminded of the horrors of the last Gulf War, when more than 150,000 were killed (former U.S. Navy Secretary, John Lehman, estimated 200,000). I simply don't believe that most Americans could come face-to-face with the Iraqi people and say from their hearts that they deserve another war.

I believe in the fundamental values of democracy -- the protection of
the most powerless among us from the whims of the most powerful. I
believe in the ideals of the United Nations as a forum for solving
international conflicts non-violently. These are mainstream values, and
they are exactly the values that are most imperilled by present U.S.
policy. That's why, as a citizen of the United States and as a member of
humanity, I can't rest easily so long as I think there is something,
anything, that I can do to make a difference.

Love,

Thorne Anderson


Thorne Anderson was a journalism professor in the US, has a graduate degree from the University of Missouri in photojournalism and has lived and worked in the U.S., Far East and Eastern Europe. He is now living in Belgrade with Kael Alford, who is also a photojournalist. They have both been published widely in publications ranging from charity newsletters to Newsweek to the New York Times. I give you this background mainly to show that he is not just some lefty liberal who doesn't know what he is talking about and/or is easily led by Iraqi propaganda.)

Smokey
02-15-03, 06:49 PM
Well thanks for sharing ;) I didnt read it all, just some main points, all good points IMO

LORD-eX-Bu
02-15-03, 08:06 PM
ah, I quit reading half way. What I got from what I read? another liberal reporter. Really, they are entitled to say what they say and report what they want to report, I won't even say that they stretch the truth alot of the time, I won't mention how this guy ignores how alot of the suffering is further enhanced by Saddam Hussein's own policy. I'm not gonna listen to a guy who tries to pass off what Saddam Hussein and his regime do as "wildly exaggerated", it is simply a lie. Just another one of Vamp's protesters:p

Shinri Hikari
02-15-03, 08:38 PM
Another discusting example of slanted journalism, I know about the horror of war, and this does not take into account the contrabutions of Saddam. I would pay more heed to this if I knew that it was a ballenced account of the conditions of Iraq. But it is NOT, so I take this with a grain of salt, if it is not ballenced then it doesn't belong here, without the disclaimer of being a rant.:rolleyes:

P.S. could some one please LOCK this thread?:)

LORD-eX-Bu
02-15-03, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
I know about the horror of war

Unless you've lived in a warzone or have been in war yourself you do not know anything about the horrors of war. One thing is seeing images on TV, another thing is living it and being there to witness it ;)

StealthHawk
02-15-03, 09:28 PM
Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
P.S. could some one please LOCK this thread?:)

lol, for what reason? it's the Open Forum, afterall. the way i see it, unless the flaming begins there's no fire to douse.

the best guideline really is this: if you don't like the discussion or topic in a thread, just don't read it.

Shinri Hikari
02-15-03, 11:58 PM
It is the nature of posts like these to start FLAMERZ going wild, that is why I requested a lock. As for horror, can you be sure that I have not known war?;) Also, I have seen far too many posts geared to start virtual wars here and i am not eager to see another one...:rolleyes:

LORD-eX-Bu
02-16-03, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
can you be sure that I have not known war?;)

That is why I made that statement conditional. I did not accuse you of anything or say anything against you. It was a general statement. Anyways, what have you been involved with?

t6_shadow
02-16-03, 12:21 AM
I also read stop reading almost immeaditly. Yes the Iraqi people are generally good people. It the wars Saddam forces them to fight. That is the problem.

StealthHawk
02-16-03, 01:43 AM
Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
It is the nature of posts like these to start FLAMERZ going wild, that is why I requested a lock. As for horror, can you be sure that I have not known war?;) Also, I have seen far too many posts geared to start virtual wars here and i am not eager to see another one...:rolleyes:

well, time will tell. if a flame war breaks out you can be certain that myself and the other mods will be ready.

we have all made a resolution to start cleaning up the forums :)

Smokey
02-16-03, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by t6_shadow
It the wars Saddam forces them to fight. That is the problem.

Maybe I might be miss informed, but what wars has Saddam started in the last 10years, after the Gulf War? But the US is fine to go and start a war in another country, right? :rolleyes:

intercede007
02-16-03, 06:42 AM
Ohhh I don't know, maybe the mini war going on now in the no-fly zones? Where Saddam, on a DAILY BASIS, lights up patroling fighter aircraft with his Surface-to-Air missle batteries?

It's just another example of the guy not caring one bit about the cease fire agreements he made to end the Gulf War.

vampireuk
02-16-03, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by Shinri Hikari
Another discusting example of slanted journalism

It happens both ways:p

Red Dog
02-16-03, 08:17 AM
Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
ah, I quit reading half way. What I got from what I read? another liberal reporter. Really, they are entitled to say what they say and report what they want to report, I won't even say that they stretch the truth alot of the time, I won't mention how this guy ignores how alot of the suffering is further enhanced by Saddam Hussein's own policy. I'm not gonna listen to a guy who tries to pass off what Saddam Hussein and his regime do as "wildly exaggerated", it is simply a lie. Just another one of Vamp's protesters:p


got to agree with your statement Lord.

if the iraqi people are suffering tell them to stop supporting their bastard leader and we will go home to better pursuits. they elected him right?

Oh wait....its not that easy. They didnt elect him of free will, they elected him out of fear. since there is no chance of them removing him I guess we have to unseat him ourselves.

In ww2 the u.s. was highly criticized for entering the war very late and allowing a madman to spread his terror world wide.

consequently, the u.s. adopted a position as the worlds policeman.

now we take actions to prevent another madman and the flame war starts again.

some protest because they agree with saddams' ideals.

some protest because they are to meek to deal with the realities of the issue.

some protest for political gains.

the U.N. is an inaffective orginization. they are all talk and they dont enforce their directives.

are sanctions harming Iraq? They make $320 billion a week from oil proceeds and regardless of sanctions have no problems importing weapon related items.

the only thing preventing Iraqi citizens from getting humanitarian supplies they need is their president (dictator)

as for France, I dont give two ****s what they think.

they have been turning tail for so long why would anyone expect any different.

Red Dog
02-16-03, 08:25 AM
People see the United Nations as a kind of "world conscience," whose prudent and high-minded desire for peace can restrain America's "foolhardy rush" to war.

Sadly, this rosy picture of the United Nations' moral authority does not comport with reality. U.N. member states range from liberal democracies to cruel and repressive authoritarian regimes. According to Freedom House, a human rights organization, only about 40 percent of U.N. states have freely elected governments, while over a quarter are tyrannies that withhold basic political and civil rights from their citizens.

Americans who advocate referring U.S. security issues to the United Nations should ponder the moral credentials of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights
Syria -- another Security Council member -- is ruled by the Baath Party, which also dominates Iraq. Every day, Syria helps Saddam smuggle about 180,000 barrels of oil out of Iraq, using a newly reopened pipeline. Saddam benefits by avoiding U.N. restrictions and accumulating revenues for his own personal treasury. Syria generates cash for its floundering economy.

A significant number of U.N. member nations are determined to exploit the current crisis in Iraq for their own personal gain. In exchange for their votes on an American-sponsored resolution, they are demanding a host of behind-the-scene concessions -- monetary and otherwise -- from the United States. Is the United Nations a moral exemplar? Think again.


CHR's elected members include "a virtual Who's Who of human rights violators," among them Cuba, Vietnam, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and even slave-holding Sudan. Recently, Libya was elected CHR's chair, while the United States was voted off the commission. Can America entrust vital security matters to an organization that routinely selects rogue nations as human rights watchdogs?

Though U.N. halls often ring with high-flown rhetoric, self-interest and cynicism generally rule behind closed doors.

Ironically, the United Nations itself is one of the biggest beneficiaries of Iraq's status quo. The organization administers the Oil-for-Food program, which is part of the U.N.-sponsored trade embargo against Iraq. The United Nations supervises the sale of Iraqi oil to pay for "humanitarian" and other imports, and then oversees the flow of those imports into Iraq.

The sums involved are eye-popping. The United Nations presides over Oil-for-Food fund transfers of at least $15 billion a year. This sum -- five times greater than the U.N. core annual budget -- makes Oil-for-Food, in dollars, by far the largest U.N. program. So far, the United Nations has collected $1.2 billion in compensation for its administrative work, and Oil-for-Food pays the salaries of more than 4,000 U.N. employees.

The United Nations benefits from Oil-for-Food in another way. Its bureaucracy manages more than $12 billion in escrowed Iraqi funds. Auditing is strictly internal; the organization won't even reveal where the money is kept. The Wall Street Journal's Claudia Rosett sums matters up this way: "Listening to [Secretary General] Kofi Annan's views on Iraq makes about as much sense as . . . heeding Arthur Andersen's pronouncements on Enron."

Several members of the U.N. Security Council also profit from the Iraqi status quo. China recently reaped millions from modernizing Iraq's fiber-optic military communications network. Russia and France, both permanent Security Council members, have particularly close financial ties to Saddam's regime.

Russia is Iraq's biggest trading partner. Since 1996, Russian companies have sold more than $4 billion in goods to Saddam's regime. In addition, Russian intermediaries handle 40 percent of Iraqi oil sales. (Iraq's oil reserves are second only to Saudi Arabia's.) Russian companies also hold development rights to some of Iraq's richest oil fields.

If Saddam is overthrown, Iraqi oil will start flowing freely and world oil prices will drop. Since Russia itself is a major oil producer, its economy is likely to suffer severely if this occurs. (One Russian minister puts it bluntly: "Our budget will collapse.") Finally, Saddam's regime owes Russia nearly $8 billion. Russian officials fear that a new Iraqi government will refuse to repay this debt.


Star Tribune
October 23, 2002
Katherine Kersten

netviper13
02-16-03, 01:31 PM
All I can say is that if Iraqi oil production steps up like the Bush admin wants it to do after overthrowing Saddam, lots of economies driven by oil sales will die.

I am a high school debater, and one of the major disadvantages (a negative argument) run this year was about Bush drilling ANWR. The impact to drilling ANWR and becoming less dependent on foreign oil, other than killing wildlife, was economic collapse in Russia and several Middle Eastern countries. This same prinicipal can be applied if we start getting really cheap oil from Iraq in the post-war era (yes, I talk about war as a "when" rather than an "if" because dubya gets what dubya wants). When Iraqi oil hits the US market in mass quantities, gas prices go down, but the massive economic depression in the rest of the world increases.

Plus is this war is all about oil, like most people say, then it's nothing but a tyrannical statement by Bush that America gets what America wants. Sure we should "liberate" the oppressed peoples of Iraq, but I don't think dropping bombs hundreds of yards from their houses is the best way to "liberate" or get them on our side.

StealthHawk
02-16-03, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by netviper13
All I can say is that if Iraqi oil production steps up like the Bush admin wants it to do after overthrowing Saddam, lots of economies driven by oil sales will die.

I am a high school debater, and one of the major disadvantages (a negative argument) run this year was about Bush drilling ANWR. The impact to drilling ANWR and becoming less dependent on foreign oil, other than killing wildlife, was economic collapse in Russia and several Middle Eastern countries. This same prinicipal can be applied if we start getting really cheap oil from Iraq in the post-war era (yes, I talk about war as a "when" rather than an "if" because dubya gets what dubya wants). When Iraqi oil hits the US market in mass quantities, gas prices go down, but the massive economic depression in the rest of the world increases.

yes, and countries exporting oil limit the supply to artificially keep prices high. who cares if they make less money per barrel, i sure don't.

when Russia started exporting more oil last year OPEC got all over them because oil prices dropped, and that wasn't what OPEC wanted.

maybe i would have more sympathy for these countries if they didn't always try to gouge consumers by extending the power of their monopoly on oil all the time. every time gas prices shoot up it's because less oil is being exported, even though the oil itself physically is available.

netviper13
02-16-03, 08:46 PM
Yeah OPEC does suck...but we're talking a fairly large amount of oil entering the market from Iraq. If it happened gradually, though, there would be no problem.