R600 to be delayed until 2007

[AthlonXP1800]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34373

R600 wont be ready for December launch, it will be push back into 2007, I think X1950 XTX is to blame for the delay. G80 will have about 3 months lead when it due to launch in November. R600 probably will launch in Feb 2007, a month later after Windows Vista launch.

[a12ctic]

ill wait for a source besides inq. ;)

[Fotis]

Lol, leave it to AthlonXP1800 to post any bad news for ATI.:D
Anyway I'm too waiting for solid info from a more reliable sourse but I wouldn't find it odd if R600 is delayed.

[PeterJensen]

Lol, leave it to AthlonXP1800 to post any bad news for ATI.:D
Anyway I'm too waiting for solid info from a more reliable sourse but I wouldn't find it odd if R600 is delayed.

Well it's news, even IF its from the inq.

[retsam]

Lol, leave it to AthlonXP1800 to post any bad news for ATI.:D
Anyway I'm too waiting for solid info from a more reliable sourse but I wouldn't find it odd if R600 is delayed.
i thought the very same thing...i wonder if hes one of the viral marketers?:D

[OWA]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34373

R600 wont be ready for December launch, it will be push back into 2007, I think X1950 XTX is to blame for the delay. G80 will have about 3 months lead when it due to launch in November. R600 probably will launch in Feb 2007, a month later after Windows Vista launch.
I still can't decide if I like it better when both high-end cards are available at approximately the same time or if I like it better with them alternating having the highest-end card. I wonder how review sites and the rest of the industry views that. Seems like reviewers wouldn't like it as much since the reviews are less exciting. That is, you pretty much know the outcome before you start reading the review.

[LBJM]

when the inq talks about delays it tends to be true. The thing i worry about is that G80 news dual core style gpu split into dx9 and dx10 48 or 48. I hope they are wrong but if there right I'm going ATI.

[shadow001]

And the fact that Vista won't be available until sometime in january of next year on retail shelves,and that it's needed to expose all the features of the card since DX10 is restricted to Vista in the first place,has nothing to do with it right?...:rolleyes:


Also has the advantage of Ati never bothering to release WinXP drivers since no one in their right mind will buy a DX10 card,using an O/S that only supports DX9 with it,even if the card gets crazy high benchmarks in current DX9 games....Right? ;)

You go in,you go in all the way,Vista bugs and security issues along with it,at least in the first few months....:D ;) .


I'll hold out till much later on the whole Vista thing,since i don't feel like being a Vista beta tester,even after the O/S is deemed fit to be released by Microsoft....:p

[Knot3D]

Ah.. good actually... means my 1900XTX won't be obsolete so quickly

[Ninja Prime]

People still respond to 1800? News to me.

[PeterJensen]

And the fact that Vista won't be available until sometime in january of next year on retail shelves,and that it's needed to expose all the features of the card since DX10 is restricted to Vista in the first place,has nothing to do with it right?...:rolleyes:


Also has the advantage of Ati never bothering to release WinXP drivers since no one in their right mind will buy a DX10 card,using an O/S that only supports DX9 with it,even if the card gets crazy high benchmarks in current DX9 games....Right? ;)

You go in,you go in all the way,Vista bugs and security issues along with it,at least in the first few months....:D ;) .


I'll hold out till much later on the whole Vista thing,since i don't feel like being a Vista beta tester,even after the O/S is deemed fit to be released by Microsoft....:p

Vista RTM will be out late Oktober for big OEM's like Dell and HP. This means you will se computers with vista BEFORE Jan 07. And i can promise you that it WILL leak.

[retsam]

Vista RTM will be out late Oktober for big OEM's like Dell and HP. This means you will se computers with vista BEFORE Jan 07. And i can promise you that it WILL leak.leak to were? the new os DRM is going to be a bitch to bypass and also there are no more enterprise keys so tuff luck to all you guys that think there is going to be a free ride.

[Redeemed]

I really don't care actualy. I can see the logic behind this. ATi figures that thier card will be better suited for DX10, thus releases it along with Vista's release. Perfectly logical.

While nVidia on the other hand, seems to be strattling both worlds this round. They have one leg in the DX9 camp, and the other in the DX10 camp. Thus releasing it before Vista is logical for them.

I'm just hoping G80 will be here in November, cause I aim on purchasing two either shortly after its release (long enough afterwards to read reviews) or around X-Mas time.

[shadow001]

Vista RTM will be out late Oktober for big OEM's like Dell and HP. This means you will se computers with vista BEFORE Jan 07. And i can promise you that it WILL leak.


Considering that even with the very latest build of Vista,SLI and Crossfire setups still don't work at all,and we're just 6 short weeks from RTM,People who somehow manage to get a copy before it shows up on actual retail shelves,and bypass it's DRM and even then,becoming a beta tester in the process,by having to deal with an O/S that is clearly being rushed out the door before it's really ready,are welcomed to do it if they want to go thru that kind of hassle.....No skin of my back so to speak :p ;)


I'll wait until the O/S is really ready,and i need it for something that i can't do with Winxp....

[Riptide]

The OS probably isn't the problem dude - it's the drivers.

I'm not getting Vista until performance in games equates with XP or hopefully exceeds it.

[shadow001]

The OS probably isn't the problem dude - it's the drivers.

I'm not getting Vista until performance in games equates with XP or hopefully exceeds it.



Are you sure about that?,since from what i've heard,even attempting to boot the system with SLI or crossfire setups active doesn't even load the interface at all,you're just looking at a blank screen basically...

[Redeemed]

Are you sure about that?,since from what i've heard,even attempting to boot the system with SLI or crossfire setups active doesn't even load the interface at all,you're just looking at a blank screen basically...

That sure sounds like a driver issue to me.

[shadow001]

That sure sounds like a driver issue to me.


Even if it is just drivers,and i still have have my doubts,that means that as of right now,they have just a few weeks to resolve the problem until RTM,by first making the O/S itself work with SLI or crossfire,then working on application/game compatibility and overall performance,that at the very least matches that of WinXP,and that to me at least,spells multiple driver releases until they get everything running well for the most part,wich means it'll take time to fix that,and it's a low priority issue,since 99% of users out there don't use 2 video cards in their systems to begin with....



The exact same thing happened to me with Win2000pro when i tried to use SLI btw,being welcomed with a blank screen with 2 cards enabled,even before the drivers were loaded,so i had to move to WinXP for the sole reason of using SLI,since it simply isn't supported in Win2000 at all....

[Redeemed]

Even if it is just drivers,and i still have have my doubts,that means that as of right now,they have just a few weeks to resolve the problem until RTM,by first making the O/S itself work with SLI or crossfire,then working on application/game compatibility and overall performance,that at the very least matches that of WinXP,and that to me at least,spells multiple driver releases until they get everything running well for the most part,wich means it'll take time to fix that,and it's a low priority issue,since 99% of users out there don't use 2 video cards in their systems to begin with....



The exact same thing happened to me with Win2000pro when i tried to use SLI btw,being welcomed with a blank screen with 2 cards enabled,even before the drivers were loaded,so i had to move to WinXP for the sole reason of using SLI,since it simply isn't supported in Win2000 at all....

I actually expected it to take several driver releases before performance matched that of XP. Simply put, this is a whole new interface and the cards interact with Windows differently than they do with XP. It is of no surprise to me. nVidia's main concern as of now is not going to be the 1337 gamers that have uber-$$$ rigs, but the average joe with a single card setup. And those systems will run fine.

Remember how long it took nVidia to work out all of the bugs when they first released SLi? I'm sure they'll be going through the same thing again with Vista- just hopefully it wont take nearly as long.

And, come the release of Vista, I'm sure SLi will be working. How well it works in contrast to XP is a different story though... ;)

[shadow001]

I actually expected it to take several driver releases before performance matched that of XP. Simply put, this is a whole new interface and the cards interact with Windows differently than they do with XP. It is of no surprise to me. nVidia's main concern as of now is not going to be the 1337 gamers that have uber-$$$ rigs, but the average joe with a single card setup. And those systems will run fine.

Remember how long it took nVidia to work out all of the bugs when they first released SLi? I'm sure they'll be going through the same thing again with Vista- just hopefully it wont take nearly as long.

And, come the release of Vista, I'm sure SLi will be working. How well it works in contrast to XP is a different story though... ;)

SLI or crossfire working at release?,with a 6 week deadline to RTM so that the dells and the HP's of the world,have Vista systems on retail shelves by xmas,somehow i doubt it SLI or crossfire is a high priority issue right now....


Wich in my view,is 1 more reason not to get all excited,and hop on Vista or dual DX10 video cards in SLI or crossfire right from the get go,since users will likely just get very frustrated in the early going,and i'd love nothing better than to be wrong on this....


I did the upgrade for win 2000pro as soon as it was released(was royally fed up of win98),and got nothing but a lot of frustration in the first 6 months,and it was built on the proven NT kernel,never mind something built from scratch like Vista that's basically 5x bigger in terms of the amount of code,compared to it...