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LiquidX
09-20-06, 01:58 AM
Nice little hidden secret. This came from MS Pre-TGS conference. The HD DVD player also looks like it will be cheap at under $180 in Japan.


press release:
For Release 4 p.m. Tokyo time/3 a.m. EDT
Sept. 20, 2006
Microsoft Showcases Library of Nearly 110 High-Definition Xbox 360 Games at the Tokyo Game Show
"Blue Dragon” Leads Holiday Lineup of Games; “Pac-Man” World Championship, Xbox 360 HD DVD Player in Japan and 1080p Support for Xbox 360 unveiled.

TOKYO — Sept. 20, 2006 — Today at the Tokyo Game Show 2006, Microsoft Corp. delivered information on new and improved entertainment experiences for Japanese gamers, including details of the Xbox 360™ library of nearly 110 high-definition games available this holiday season in Japan, which will include the highly anticipated “Blue Dragon” from Microsoft Game Studios. Microsoft also paid tribute to NAMCO BANDAI Games and “Pac-Man,” announcing that the first “Pac-Man” World Championship will be held in early 2007 using Xbox 360 and Xbox Live® Arcade. Microsoft also revealed details of other entertainment offerings enabled through Xbox 360, with availability date and pricing provided for the Xbox 360 HD DVD player in Japan, as well as news of an update that will allow the Xbox 360 console to output full 1080p games and video.

At the best-attended gaming convention in the world, Microsoft showcased games that will boost the Xbox 360 software library in Japan to nearly 110 titles by holiday season 2006 as well as more titles coming well into 2007. The Xbox 360 games showcased include “Blue Dragon” (Microsoft Game Studios), “Lost Planet: Extreme Condition” (Capcom), “Dead or Alive: Xtreme 2” (Tecmo Inc.) and the newly announced “Trusty Bell” (NAMCO BANDAI Games), and a host of anticipated Xbox Live Arcade titles. For 2007, Microsoft also announced a pipeline of great games that include the epic role-playing game (RPG) “Infinite Undiscovery” (Microsoft Game Studios).

“The key to winning the hearts and minds of the Japanese market is great games, and this great lineup demonstrates that Xbox 360 has those games in spades,” said Peter Moore, corporate vice president of the Interactive Entertainment Business in the Entertainment and Devices Division at Microsoft. “Our lineup of role-playing games from the acknowledged masters of the genre is proof positive that there has never been a better time for Japanese gamers to jump in and pick up an Xbox 360 system.”

Many game titles, including the much-anticipated epic RPG “Blue Dragon,” will be playable for the first time in the Microsoft® booth at the Tokyo Game Show. Other playable titles include “Lost Odyssey™” (Microsoft Game Studios) and “Viva Piñata™” (Microsoft Game Studios).

Xbox Live Arcade and the “Pac-Man” World Championship

With the creator of “Pac-Man,” Toru Iwatani, onstage Peter Moore announced that Microsoft and NAMCO BANDAI Games will host the first “Pac-Man” World Championship in early 2007. The top 10 players in the world for “Pac-Man” on Xbox Live Arcade will compete for the title in New York City. More details, including how to qualify for the championship, will be made available in the coming months.

Continuing its tremendous momentum, Xbox Live Arcade has also announced in Tokyo a host of exciting new games, including some that will be exclusive to the Japanese market. Gamers will have the opportunity to try a host of new games on the show floor, including the classic side-scroller “Contra” (Konami Corp.), the space-shooter “Gyruss” (Konami), the enemy-popping classic “Dig Dug” (NAMCO BANDAI Games), arcade favorite “Track & Field” (Konami), “New Rally-X” (NAMCO BANDAI Games) “Rush’n Attack” (Konami), a favorite 1980s side-scroller, and the inimitable “Ms. Pac-Man” (NAMCO BANDAI Games). In addition, the Japan-exclusive Xbox Live Arcade game “Yie Ar Kung Fu” (Konami), one of the very first fighting games, was announced for release in 2007.

Xbox 360 HD DVD Player and 1080p Support

Microsoft announced pricing and availability details for the Xbox 360 HD DVD Player in Japan. The accessory will launch on Nov. 17, 2006, priced at ¥19,800 (estimated retail price), and will come with an Xbox 360 Universal Media Remote.

“Xbox 360 and the HD DVD Player together deliver the most powerful and affordable games and movie system for Japanese consumers,” Moore said. “The freedom to choose their entertainment experiences is extremely important for consumers as they enter the next generation.”

In addition, Microsoft announced that its fall software update, scheduled for release later this year, will allow all Xbox 360 consoles around the world to output game and movie content in 1080p resolution.

XNA

Demonstrating its pledge to democratize game development for tomorrow’s game developers, Microsoft announced that four Japanese universities will use its XNA™ Game Studio Express software in educational material and research within their course offerings. The XNA software allows hobbyists, students and independent game developers to create games for Windows® and, for the first time, Xbox 360 with the goal that user-generated games made with XNA will arrive on Xbox Live Marketplace. Tokyo University, Tokyo Polytechnic University, Ritsumeikan University and Osaka Electro-Communication University join the dozens of universities worldwide that have pledged support for Microsoft’s XNA vision and are recognizing the potential of XNA Game Studio Express as an educational tool. As a result, these four schools will integrate XNA software into their game development curricula, labs and games-related research.

“As I turn my attention and passion toward teaching the next generation of game developers, I am thrilled with XNA Game Studio Express and related products,” said Toru Iwatani, a lecturer at Tokyo Polytechnic University and original creator of “Pac-Man.” “I believe that these products are attractive and effective because they create a development environment that matches the skill level and area of expertise, widening the entry of future developers into game development.”

XNA Game Studio Express beta was made available to users worldwide on Aug. 30, 2006. The final version of XNA Game Studio Express will be made available this holiday season.

Peoples-Agent
09-20-06, 02:07 AM
WOW.... So HD-DVD games ARE actually coming out?

That's great news!

kev13dd
09-20-06, 02:16 AM
WOW.... So HD-DVD games ARE actually coming out?

That's great news!
It doesn't say that ANYWHERE in the article. Just because it's the cheapest "game and movie" system, doesn't mean that the HD-DVD will be used for games. The X360 already plays games

K

msxyz
09-20-06, 02:44 AM
Where is it said ?

The HDDVD is unrelated to the ability to display images at 1920x1080 @ 60Hz non-interlaced.

Until now, through the Xbox dashboard, it was possible select a maximum resolution of 1920x1080 interlaced (the old high definition analog television standard) which is fine for televisions but not for monitors. Nothing will change as the developers are free to render their games at whatever resolution they want as the machine automatically up/downsamples the final framebuffer.

Mr. Hunt
09-20-06, 02:47 AM
If they did make HD-DVD games I would be so friggin pissed.

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 03:31 AM
Sony is doomed :p

now they cant advertise as the only console having 1080p feature which was one of the big things about ps3

PeterJensen
09-20-06, 04:05 AM
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2489/dsphy0.jpg

allegedly this is the chip that will be activated by the update


http://xboxyde.com/forum_8_14279_1_en.html

Munetatsu-san even commented that the Xbox 360 will include secret features, that won't be revealed until a year after launch when a download from Xbox Live will enable these 'secret powers'. More on all this as we get it.



A Hint from hardOCP

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjA2ODgsLCxo...
2. For you folks that are buying the new 1080P panels that are now on the market, have no fear, as the Xbox360 looks to already support 1080P resolutions. All that will need to be changed is the connecting cable. Little more information is known on this or if there will be a gaming performance impact.



Another Hint:
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/sho...spx?i=2611&p=3
Moving away from the ports and looking inwards, we take a look at some of the ICs and other devices present on the Xbox 360's motherboard.

The Xbox 360's OS and other necessary software is loaded in the 128Mb (16MB) NAND Flash device that's on the motherboard:



Originally we assumed the chip below was a TV encoder, but we've since found out that the TV encoder on ATI's Xenos GPU is identical to what is on the ATI Radeon X1000 series of PC graphics cards - meaning the Xbox 360's TV encoder is located on the Xenos GPU itself and makes use of ATI's Xilleon display engine.



If it isn't the TV encoder, then what is this mystery chip? We haven't been able to find the physical interface for the Ethernet port, so it is possible that the 100Mbit PHY is located within this chip, as well as the audio codec, both of which would make sense given its location on the motherboard (within close proximity to the AV cable connector). In addition to those two options, it is possible that this chip may house whatever DRM technology is used in the Xbox 360.

msxyz
09-20-06, 04:07 AM
If they did make HD-DVD games I would be so friggin pissed.
The HDDVD addon is an external USB drive (it's rumored that it will work also with Windows, like the controllers); external drives are usually plagued with longer seek times and other latencies due to their additional interfaces, it's unlikely it could be used for anything but streaming data.

If Microsoft will ever decide to allow gamesd on HD-DVD, it will also have to publish them in DVD format, using multiple discs. Something similar happened until not long ago with PC games.

My guess is that this step will never be taken unless some heavyweight developer tells Microsoft that it will port its game(s) to the Xbox 360 only if allowed to use HDDVD (Square comes to mind)

ENU291
09-20-06, 07:17 AM
19,800 yen for the HD-DVD add-on? Wow thats like $169. Much cheaper than the previous rumors of $300. At $169 the idea of purchasing the HD-DVD drive for the 360 seems alot more reasonable.

Namrok
09-20-06, 07:19 AM
That HD-DVD drive certainly has the right price. I might grab one just because. But probably not. And I'll believe this stuff about 1080p games when I see it.

Mr. Hunt
09-20-06, 07:29 AM
Yeah... I am quite skeptical that they can just add 1080p through firmware without HDMI all of the sudden... why wouldn't it have just been supported from the start? If its true then it is good news... just a little skeptical :\.

ENU291
09-20-06, 07:34 AM
It is possible to output an analog signal at 1920X1080p. Can all HDTVs support that? most likely not but certain high end monitors and newer LCD TVs can.

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 07:40 AM
And I'll believe this stuff about 1080p games when I see it.

why would they lie about something like that? :confused:
if they couldnt enable it why would they say they will that would make no sense

its different if the x360 wasnt out and it still was in production and they said it will support 1080p then they could change that feature and cut it out

But if they say it like this that they will enable it then they will

six_storm
09-20-06, 07:54 AM
THERE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ANY HD-DVD GAMES!!!!!

Geez, they are for movies. So the X360 has had this chip all along to do 1080p . . . . sneaky M$, sneaky. This does put the PS3 in jeopardy but the PS3 was doomed from the start lol :D

Namrok
09-20-06, 07:59 AM
why would they lie about something like that? :confused:
if they couldnt enable it why would they say they will that would make no sense

its different if the x360 wasnt out and it still was in production and they said it will support 1080p then they could change that feature and cut it out

But if they say it like this that they will enable it then they will

I doubt it for a number of reasons. For starters, I haven't seen mention of this on any of the other websites I goto that are covering TGS. They've said that HD-DVD will output at 1080p, but nothing about games. I'd like to know where this press release/report came from actually.

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 08:05 AM
I doubt it for a number of reasons. For starters, I haven't seen mention of this on any of the other websites I goto that are covering TGS. They've said that HD-DVD will output at 1080p, but nothing about games. I'd like to know where this press release/report came from actually.

well hardcop has a news item up on it also

http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjA2ODgsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=

|MaguS|
09-20-06, 08:19 AM
Wait... wasn't MS saying that 1080p games were impossible to accomplish and stupid to aim for? I see this as MS showing fear of Sony, not trying to push Sony. We have seen MS go on the records many many times stating that they have no interest in 1080p and such a resolution is useless in games... and now all of a sudden when PS3 games start announcing support for the resolution they enable their console to output it...

But ofcourse all you X360 fans while praise it and say how great the X360 will be in 1080p and still say that the PS3 can't accomplish such a resolution (even though almost all developers say that PS3 has an edge when it comes to graphical power).

EDIT:
Where are you getting this news because 1up is reporting that they are still only supporting 1080p for HD-DVD Movies and NOT games. Untill another site other then kotaku reports the same news then I would take this very carefully, kotaku is known for spreading rumors and just misreporting everything.

Mr. Hunt
09-20-06, 08:27 AM
Yeah... it is quite funny seeing all of the people who used to claim that 1080p was stupid, useless and ZOMG NUT MENI PEPLE CAN UES IT!... and yet now all of those people are saying "ps3=pwnd" and saying how it is so amazing suddenly... a lot changes when your system supports it suddenly.

saturnotaku
09-20-06, 08:28 AM
Magus and Mr. Hunt are right on cue, as always.

ENU291
09-20-06, 08:30 AM
We all have to admit that once games on these new consoles start getting graphically complex fewer and fewer games will be able to support a resolution of 1080p. All Microsoft is trying to do is reduce the amount of check marks that the Playstation 3 has over the Xbox 360. I find the idea of the 360 supporting 1080p a pleasant surprise... nothing more.

Mr. Hunt
09-20-06, 08:33 AM
Magus and Mr. Hunt are right on cue, as always.

Glad I am not late. I am getting tired of you people acting like I am a flaming fanboy when I own every last gen system, and have a 360 right now... pretty bad fanboy I think.

|MaguS|
09-20-06, 08:36 AM
Glad I am not late. I am getting tired of you people acting like I am a flaming fanboy when I own every last gen system, and have a 360 right now... pretty bad fanboy I think.

Can't really argue with hypocrits, they flipflop worse then John Kerry.

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 08:42 AM
Wait... wasn't MS saying that 1080p games were impossible to accomplish and stupid to aim for? I see this as MS showing fear of Sony, not trying to push Sony. We have seen MS go on the records many many times stating that they have no interest in 1080p and such a resolution is useless in games... and now all of a sudden when PS3 games start announcing support for the resolution they enable their console to output it...

But ofcourse all you X360 fans while praise it and say how great the X360 will be in 1080p and still say that the PS3 can't accomplish such a resolution (even though almost all developers say that PS3 has an edge when it comes to graphical power).

EDIT:
Where are you getting this news because 1up is reporting that they are still only supporting 1080p for HD-DVD Movies and NOT games. Untill another site other then kotaku reports the same news then I would take this very carefully, kotaku is known for spreading rumors and just misreporting everything.

who said the resolution was useless? there is not much difference between 1080i and 1080p but it isnt useless.

And yes it IS impossible to make the games that look next gen and have a res of 1080p only fanboys will believe that ANY developer will achieve that for the ps3 or x360.

but xbox live games and such it can be enabled for. And games of lower graphical quality

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 08:44 AM
We all have to admit that once games on these new consoles start getting graphically complex fewer and fewer games will be able to support a resolution of 1080p. All Microsoft is trying to do is reduce the amount of check marks that the Playstation 3 has over the Xbox 360. I find the idea of the 360 supporting 1080p a pleasant surprise... nothing more.

QFT
what about 0,1% of the people that have an HDtv actually have one that supports 1080p? :p

Badboy_12345
09-20-06, 08:46 AM
EDIT:
Where are you getting this news because 1up is reporting that they are still only supporting 1080p for HD-DVD Movies and NOT games. Untill another site other then kotaku reports the same news then I would take this very carefully, kotaku is known for spreading rumors and just misreporting everything.

more and more sites have the news as far I can find 2 but there is more I dont feel like searching :p

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/20/xbox-360-adds-1080p-hd-dvd-drive-for-november-17th-in-japan/
http://www.hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjA2ODgsLCxobmV3cywsLDE=

Update 3 now:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/20/tgs-xbox-360-to-add-1080p-support-ps3-to-lose-bullet-point/