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slick
09-20-06, 07:32 PM
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/11793/Microsoft-Showcases-HD-Xbox-360-Games-at-TGS/

In addition, Microsoft announced that its fall software update, scheduled for release later this year, will allow all Xbox 360 consoles around the world to output game and movie content in 1080p resolution.

Not anything entirely special. I'm sure the 100 people in the nation with a 1080p native TV are rejoicing.

YES a 1080p signal can go through component cables.
YES the 360 hardware is entirely capable of a 1080p signal (ATI confirmed this months before the 360 even launched).

The HD-DVD drive will be capable of 1080p aswell, and this pretty much settles the question of whether or not HD-DVD will be using HDCP: it won't be, at least for now. They haven't mentioned much about HDMI yet.

In my opinion (from a gaming standpoint) it's an entire waste. You'd need a 50"+ TV and need to be standing 3 feet away to even notice a difference between 720p and 1080p. Huge waste of bandwith. The higher resolution won't make a bit of difference to the eye, and developers would have to sacrifice graphic fidelity to achieve the resolution at a consistant framerate (which the PS3 is doing a wonderful job of modeling). Now, both MS and Sony need to hop to it and start making some games that actually look nice and run well at 720p.

Either way, I'd like to thank MS for doing this, not because I want to have ZOMG1080pGAMES, but for completely slapping Kutaragi. Ken can take his 1080p is the future BS advertising gimmick crap and cram it.

Grats Ken, you just got 1080pwnd.




EDIT: I'm blind - Sorry liquidx. I have no clue how I missed that when rifling through the threads. Mod feel free to delete.

Marvel_us
09-20-06, 08:25 PM
Grats Slick, you just got pwnd.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=76893

slick
09-20-06, 09:51 PM
Or you could read my edit comment like most everyone else did.

nekrosoft13
09-20-06, 09:56 PM
360 renders everything in 720p, so will this be just upcorverted?

slick
09-20-06, 10:05 PM
No, the GPU is quite capable of a 1080p signal, but as of yet the system has only be set to output a 720p signal max but they're changing that with the next software upgrade.

nekrosoft13
09-20-06, 10:09 PM
this could possibly screw up games, especially when they were set to at certain resolution.

and at 720p, x360 already has overheating problems, which possibly means it already running at full capacity

slick
09-20-06, 10:22 PM
lol, how is it going to screw games up? If it's rendered at a certain resolution that's the resolution that it's going to be rendered at. Just because the 360 can do 1080p that doesn't mean that every single game will have to be rendered in 1080p. I'd rather they weren't. There is no significant change in image quality but it taxes the system more.

So like I said earlier, it's pointless.

nekrosoft13
09-20-06, 10:25 PM
well its not pointless if you have 1080p tv, like me.

i'm just waiting for xbox media center to be ported from xbox.

thats what i meant, it already seems like current games are taxing the system close to max

slick
09-20-06, 10:42 PM
Games are not even close to pushing the 360 to its limits yet. The console hasn't even been out a year. Once developers really get a feel for it games are going to start looking exponentially better. The most prominant case would be Splinter Cell for the Xbox. Take a look at SC1 and then SC3 for the Xbox. It's a generation leap in graphics, and it will follow suit with these new consoles.

Games are only going to look better and better as time goes on.

Tyr-Sog
09-21-06, 07:19 AM
Ok, so I'm a new 360 user noob. My TV (http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KP_51WS510/4505-6484_7-20890071.html?tag=txt) will run 1080i. Do I wanna run the 360 in 1080i or 760p?

Badboy_12345
09-21-06, 07:23 AM
Ok, so I'm a new 360 user noob. My TV (http://reviews.cnet.com/Sony_KP_51WS510/4505-6484_7-20890071.html?tag=txt) will run 1080i. Do I wanna run the 360 in 1080i or 760p?

I dont think that tv even can display 720p so you should pick 1080i
If it was a tv that supported both then I would take 720p beacuse it renders all of the image at once and that is a must for fast paced games

Bad_Boy
09-21-06, 07:25 AM
From my understanding

-hd-dvd movies will be displayed at 1080p through vga, but 1080i through component
-dvd movies can be upscaled to 1080p (over vga), but displayed at 480p (over component)
-720 games can be upscaled to 1080p, and 1080p games will display native (vga and component)

this applies to the lower config ps3 as well.

source:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8478750&&#post8478750
1080p is supported over VGA for DVD, HD DVD and gaming output. And yes, AACS does allow 1080p over VGA (classified under authorized "computer monitor outputs").

For component, you get gaming up to 1080p, and 1080i for HD DVD. DVD only works at 480p over this connection. The latter two are due to restrictions in DVD CCA and AACS rules for DVD and HD DVD playback respectively.

On gaming, the machine supports both scaling of 720p games to 1080p, and native games running at 1080p resolution. It is up to game developers to decide which way to go.
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Microsoft
HD DVD insider

my question now is, how many hdtv's can do 1080p over component?

Marvel_us
09-21-06, 09:45 AM
Or you could read my edit comment like most everyone else did.

I read your edit. I also read the comment about how Ken got "1080pwnd" and had to poke fun.:D

Rakeesh
09-21-06, 09:55 AM
Not anything entirely special. I'm sure the 100 people in the nation with a 1080p native TV are rejoicing.

YES a 1080p signal can go through component cables.
YES the 360 hardware is entirely capable of a 1080p signal (ATI confirmed this months before the 360 even launched).

The HD-DVD drive will be capable of 1080p aswell, and this pretty much settles the question of whether or not HD-DVD will be using HDCP: it won't be, at least for now. They haven't mentioned much about HDMI yet.

In my opinion (from a gaming standpoint) it's an entire waste. You'd need a 50"+ TV and need to be standing 3 feet away to even notice a difference between 720p and 1080p. Huge waste of bandwith. The higher resolution won't make a bit of difference to the eye, and developers would have to sacrifice graphic fidelity to achieve the resolution at a consistant framerate (which the PS3 is doing a wonderful job of modeling). Now, both MS and Sony need to hop to it and start making some games that actually look nice and run well at 720p.

Either way, I'd like to thank MS for doing this, not because I want to have ZOMG1080pGAMES, but for completely slapping Kutaragi. Ken can take his 1080p is the future BS advertising gimmick crap and cram it.

I don't know about you but I have horrible eyesight and yet still the difference between 720p and 1080p is night and day to me. The only way you wouldn't really notice a difference is if your HDTV sucks balls, and many out there do.

It sounds like you are morally opposed to 1080p for some reason though. Is it against your religion or something? Honestly, if they can do 1080p, why not?

Disclaimer: I don't own a 360 nor do I ever plan on it.

Tyr-Sog
09-21-06, 06:12 PM
I dont think that tv even can display 720p so you should pick 1080i
If it was a tv that supported both then I would take 720p beacuse it renders all of the image at once and that is a must for fast paced games

Actually I found a few forum sites with users talking about it. They say that is actually displays 720p native( The Sony has the upside of being able to handle 720p natively in addition to the standard 480i/480p/1080i. ".

I also found a review site that said it displays 720p. So is that the way to go?

oldsk00l
09-21-06, 06:35 PM
1080p...whoopteedoo

Who cares? This announcement means nothing to me, I never, nor will I care, that 360 does 1080p output.

As far as the gaming aspect of it is concerned this isn't going to be feasible anyway. 720p does fine enough for me.

Tyr-Sog
09-21-06, 06:52 PM
n/m

Badboy_12345
09-22-06, 01:35 AM
Actually I found a few forum sites with users talking about it. They say that is actually displays 720p native( ".

I also found a review site that said it displays 720p. So is that the way to go?

k then yes it is :thumbsup:
in 1080i you may see lag that isnt there beacuse of how the image is rendered.
especially in fast paced games.

evilchris
09-22-06, 01:46 AM
Microsoft should not have caved in to Sony's " OMZGX 720P IS ONLY HALF HD!@!!! "

kev13dd
09-22-06, 03:22 AM
Microsoft should not have caved in to Sony's " OMZGX 720P IS ONLY HALF HD!@!!! "
They didn't CAVE into anything!!!

Why does everyone think this is some sudden worrysome move Microsoft threw together in a last chance attempt to up Sony?

THEIR CONSOLE IS 1080P CAPABLE. They built it that way. They've known it all along. Why does everyone seem to think they shouldn't use the console to the fullest of it's abilities? That's like Sony not allowing Blue-Ray movie playback. Plain stupid. If your console if capable of doing something, then max it out!

K