G80 pics - Talk about it here.

[TiKiMaN1]

Pretty nice build I'd say!:D

[CaptNKILL]

And here's the beast that somehow manages to stay above that crippling 17-18FPS that plagues so many people with high-end cards.
:rolleyes:

Wow, get over yourself bud...

Everyone else left the discussion and you guys took a few dozen screenshots of places where you get decent framerates. ZOMG WE ARE TEH NUBS WITH BROKEN COMPZ!!! :wonder:

Try doing some real fraps benchmarks (with frame times recorded) and posting the results here. Thats how the review sites do it, and thats how line charts are made that show fluctuating performance in games.

Just because some people dont notice when their framerate drops doesnt mean the rest of the world has broken computers when they do notice it.

I dont know how this discussion got derailed so bad... I guess me having an opinion about the G80's rumored 3dmark scores means you need to tell us why our opinions are wrong and then brag about your system's performance.

I dont think I've had a discussion this irritating on these forums in a long time...

[Xion X2]

Cap'n, I'm guessing you're a younger chap, because you sure do post some illogical, off-the-wall comments sometimes.

The guy was straight up challenging the fact that FEAR would not run above the "teens" on an equivalent setup as his in a dogfight with other characters/effects on-screen. Now tell me how posting several screenshots proving his point wrong is somehow wrong of me to do in this case?

And you need to lighten up. I didn't post those pics of my setup to boast; it was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else. Some guys just don't know what they have.. like an individual who has a kickass graphics card such as a 1900XTX and thinks it should be crippled by a game like FEAR, which has been out for over a year now.

My god.. with 14,000 posts one would think you wouldn't mind if someone else got a word in for once...

[Xion X2]

Pretty nice build I'd say!:D

Thanks. Nice to see that someone has a sense of humor.

[CaptNKILL]

Cap'n, I'm guessing you're a younger chap, because you sure do post some illogical, off-the-wall comments sometimes.

The guy was straight up challenging the fact that FEAR would not run above the "teens" on an equivalent setup as his in a dogfight with other characters/effects on-screen. Now tell me how posting several screenshots proving his point wrong is somehow wrong of me to do in this case?

And you need to lighten up. I didn't post those pics of my setup to boast; it was more tongue-in-cheek than anything else. Some guys just don't know what they have.. like an individual who has a kickass graphics card such as a 1900XTX and thinks it should be crippled by a game like FEAR, which has been out for over a year now.

My god.. with 14,000 posts one would think you wouldn't mind if someone else got a word in for once...
First of all, I posted something rediculous because I was irritated by your comments and your inability to consider that someone but yourself might actually have a point. I dont know how "old" you are, but age has nothing to do with one's ability to compromise in a discussion and see things from another person's perspective. Rather than actually work with me and discuss the performance of the G80 (which was the whole point of this from the beginning) you called my point illogical and tried to change the focus of the discussion to the card's overall worth... which I never once disputed. You keep throwing out the word "illogical" but I think you're just failing to see logic in anyone else's arguments but your own. :p

Second, you call posting screenshots of specific scenes "proof" that the results coming straight from professional review sites are incorrect? Now THAT is illogical. :p

And schuey never said anything about the game "not getting out of the teens". He said it dropped to the teens. I've seen large framerate drops in FEAR, Half-Life 2 and Oblivion, and a handfull of other games, despite having a 7950 GX2. Its always been like this though... I notice my framerates arent perfect, and someone online says "my game runs perfect at 1600x1200 with 16xAA and 16xAF on a 2 year old video card", so I go look up real performance numbers on various review sites and come to the conclusion that that person is either exagerating or is one of the lucky ones that really doesnt notice when their framerate drops.

And I dont know what you mean about me not letting you get a word in... you posted plenty and I argued your points that made sense... in the end you said my argument was illogical and you tried to change the subject, so I left the discussion.

[Xion X2]

Rather than actually work with me and discuss the performance of the G80 (which was the whole point of this from the beginning) you called my point illogical

Which it was, and I showed just exactly why it was. I posted a couple of times pointing out to you clear differences between current-gen cards and next-gen cards. And you failed to acknowledge those clear differences and further failed to disprove my point. You wanted to take a current benchmark program and expect it to tell the entire story of a next-gen card that is implementing several new features that the outdated benchmark program cannot test. If you cannot follow that simple train of logic, then it's not my fault.

I tried to "work with" you, but I disagree with the comparison you're trying to draw, and I listed my reasons for that quite explicitly. I am more than willing to consider another's point of view if I find it logical and within reason. With yours, I didn't. I found several holes in your logic, and if you can't handle that then perhaps you should stop debating on the forums and just stick to the lounge.

Second, you call posting screenshots of specific scenes "proof" that the results coming straight from professional review sites are incorrect? Now THAT is illogical. :p

No, it's not, unless you mistakenly believe that review sites are always right. What about that review that came out a little while back.. the benchmark that showed the 1800XT outperforming the GX2 in 6 or 7 different games? Do you happen to agree with that too because they are "professionals?"

I don't. I've seen them wrong plenty of times, and when taken up on the challenge of showing a current-gen card that could handle FEAR with all settings maxed at 1680x1050 resolution with plenty of characters, particle, and physics effects on screen all at once--performing at a decent framerate? Yeah, I think I did a pretty good job of that, and anyone who wants to ignore it is simply blinding themselves to the facts. That's one of the reasons I took "dozens of screenshots" that you criticized me for. I wanted to give an overall sense of the performance of the game instead of just posting 2 or 3 of them and yelling "PWNDDD!!!11"

Would you rather me have done that?

And schuey never said anything about the game "not getting out of the teens".

Actually, he did. Right here:

Posted by schuey:

Yes, most of time I can run 2xAA & 8x HQAF without dropping below 30 fps, but during many heavy firefights throughout the game I drop down into the teens. If it were just once or twice in the game I wouldn't bring it up, but when it happens everytime I'm encountering four or more enemies then it's a problem.

It doesn't "happen every time" on my machine when I encounter multiple enemies, and that's what I set out to prove with the screenshots. Several of those were taken right in the middle of gunfights where there were 2 or more characters on the screen. And they all, except for one where I had "slow-mo" enabled which slows down your frames automatically, ran around 50+ FPS.

That is a big difference from what schuey was claiming. And I don't see how in the hell you can believe me posting screenshots of exactly what he was claiming ran like sh!t on these current gen cards while proving him wrong in the process shouldn't clearly apply as "proof" here. That just makes no sense.

I mean hell, not as if I needed it anyway, but RobsX2 even signed on with his 1900XTX and said the guy was full of it while showing his own benchmarks on the same card while providing a quote from another site saying ATi cards had certain driver performance problems with FEAR. Redeemed also benchmarked his own setup, which is a little weaker than mine, and said he disagreed as well. What more proof do you need?

[CaptNKILL]

Which it was, and I showed just exactly why it was. I posted a couple of times pointing out to you clear differences between current-gen cards and next-gen cards. And you failed to acknowledge those clear differences and further failed to disprove my point. You wanted to take a current benchmark program and expect it to tell the entire story of a next-gen card that is implementing several new features that the outdated benchmark program cannot test. If you cannot follow that simple train of logic, then it's not my fault.

I tried to "work with" you, but I disagree with the comparison you're trying to draw, and I listed my reasons for that quite explicitly. I am more than willing to consider another's point of view if I find it logical and within reason. With yours, I didn't. I found several holes in your logic, and if you can't handle that then perhaps you should stop debating on the forums and just stick to the lounge.

Again, you were talking about something completely different. The specific architectural differences between two pieces of hardware do not matter in a specific performance comparison. If in the end one is only marginally faster at a specific task (**which still needs improvement**) than the other one, and someone (me) is disapointed with that, then that is the only thing being argued. I dont know how much simpler I can make it than that.

Maybe an analogy will help you understand my position.

For example (this is totaly made up), a 2006 sports car(7950GX2) can hit 150Mph in the quarter mile (3dmark06) and has a V-8 (48pipes, 256bit memory etc...)... in 2007 the new model (8800GTX) is upgraded to a 16 cylindar with turbo chargers, super chargers, whatever (128 unified shaders, 384bit memory etc.)... and it only hits 165Mph in the quarter mile(3dmark06). I say "that isnt very impressive considering the specs" and then you tell me that that complaint is illogical because the new performance enhancements allow it to accelerate better out of corners on a road course (running directx10 games with AA). This has absolutely NO bearing whatsoever on my initial complaint, even if it is a valid point (one that I never even disagreed with).

That is exactly what you've been doing and when you failed to acknowledge that, I left the discussion. When I came back and tried to tell you again, you continued to tell me I was being illogical and now that I should stop debating on forums.

Do you still not understand where I'm coming from here and why I was irritated? :p


No, it's not, unless you mistakenly believe that review sites are always right. What about that review that came out a little while back.. the benchmark that showed the 1800XT outperforming the GX2 in 6 or 7 different games? Do you happen to agree with that too because they are "professionals?"

I don't. I've seen them wrong plenty of times, and when taken up on the challenge of showing a current-gen card that could handle FEAR with all settings maxed at 1680x1050 resolution with plenty of characters, particle, and physics effects on screen all at once--performing at a decent framerate? Yeah, I think I did a pretty good job of that, and anyone who wants to ignore it is simply blinding themselves to the facts. That's one of the reasons I took "dozens of screenshots" that you criticized me for. I wanted to give an overall sense of the performance of the game instead of just posting 2 or 3 of them and yelling "PWNDDD!!!11"

Would you rather me have done that?

I would have rather had you post recorded fraps benchmark results with frametimes (which can be stuck into Excell for a chart to show framerates over an extended period of time) that show that the benchmarks on the other sites are wrong. Thats all. The hardOCP benchmarks have plenty of areas running at 50-60 fps and they could have taken screenshots just like yours.

Static screenshots are not enough to disprove detailed framerate data recorded from gameplay.


Actually, he did. Right here:



It doesn't "happen every time" on my machine when I encounter multiple enemies, and that's what I set out to prove with the screenshots. Several of those were taken right in the middle of gunfights where there were 2 or more characters on the screen. And they all, except for one where I had "slow-mo" enabled which slows down your frames automatically, ran around 50+ FPS.

That is a big difference from what schuey was claiming. And I don't see how in the hell you can believe me posting screenshots of exactly what he was claiming ran like sh!t on these current gen cards while proving him wrong in the process shouldn't clearly apply as "proof" here. That just makes no sense.
Ah, I didnt see that post of his. Yeah that deffinitely isnt right. The game runs far better than that on my rig, but I *do* get slow downs some times. Its been so long since I've played FEAR single player though that I dont know just how slow it gets.

As irritating as it is, 50fps tends to look choppy to me after games run at 80fps for so long. But I know I still get far less than that in some cases.

[halduemilauno]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9320/realityredefinedbgxx5.jpg

:captnkill:

[CaptNKILL]

:drooling:

I cant wait...

[Redeemed]

Okay, I'm going to play through FEAR: EP demo right now, and I'll do a manaul screen capture (or what ever you call it). I do not have a copy of excel, though I do have Corel Office 2000.

I do not know how to create the chart, nor how to post it. But, I'll record the screencapture (or whatever it's called) now, and report back with what happens.

If my results are too good for you guys to believe, then guide me through making that chart and I'll post it for you. Otherwise, just take my word. ;)

Be back in a bit...

[Redeemed]

Um, FRAPS will only record up to 30 seconds worth of gameplay, unless I register my copy. :p

Anyhow, I tried watching the clip, and it wont play! :( Not sure wtf is up with it.

Obviously I wasn't watching the FPS counter continously during the gameplay, but I did check as soon as I noticed any sort of slowdown, and never once did I see any framerate that was in the teens- and soft shadows + AA/AF were all on. So, if there were any moments when my fps did dip into the teens, there were short lived.

And yes, EP does run better than the original. I'm going to go play some more FEAR in a bit, and I'll keep a close eye on the fps counter. But even in the original it seldom dips below 25fps, and even then it is for brief periods of time.

[ArrowMk84]

IIRC, you need a codex to play it. Fraps.com should have the details... somewhere...

[Redeemed]

IIRC, you need a codex to play it. Fraps.com should have the details... somewhere...

Thx. ;)

[CaptNKILL]

Um, FRAPS will only record up to 30 seconds worth of gameplay, unless I register my copy. :p

Anyhow, I tried watching the clip, and it wont play! :( Not sure wtf is up with it.

Obviously I wasn't watching the FPS counter continously during the gameplay, but I did check as soon as I noticed any sort of slowdown, and never once did I see any framerate that was in the teens- and soft shadows + AA/AF were all on. So, if there were any moments when my fps did dip into the teens, there were short lived.

And yes, EP does run better than the original. I'm going to go play some more FEAR in a bit, and I'll keep a close eye on the fps counter. But even in the original it seldom dips below 25fps, and even then it is for brief periods of time.
Im not talking about a video or screenshots, I'm talking about a benchmark. You hit a certain key with fraps running and it begins logging your framerate to a file. When you want to stop benchmarking, you hit the key again and it saves the results to a text file to show the total frames rendered, the min, max and average framerates.

With frametimes recorded it also saves an .xml file that has an entry for the framerate for every second of the benchmark. When you open it with excell (or some other spreadsheet program) you can have it converted to a line graph that will show how the framerate changed throughout the benchmark.

You'll most likely get innacurate results recording a video anyway since it puts such a load on the system to encode video real time.

Benchmarks (especially with frametimes) are the only accurate way to determine the overall performance of a game.

EDIT:
This is an example of what fraps will record to the "frapslog.txt" file when you record a benchmark:
2006-04-27 00:27:39 - Oblivion
Frames: 519 - Time: 30000ms - Avg: 17.300 - Min: 16 - Max: 18

But the frametimes thing will record a huge list of individual frame numbers and crap.

[schuey74]

Ok schuey74 listen up. I am going to offer to help you but so far you seem pretty closed minded about taking any advice anyone has to offer to you so I want you to listen too me real carefully because I PROMISE you I can prove that there is something wrong with your set up. Screen shots or whatever you want I can prove it too you.

Thanks for the suggestion on the driver issue. I'll definetely try your suggestion and see if it helps during those heavy firefights.

And it's really nice of you to post all those nice screenies, but they are really pointless. You guys don't seem to get the point that the game runs fine for me, it's just that on several instances on almost every level when there many soldiers (not one or two) and glass breaking and fire everywhere when the frames will drop significantly.

Your advice on the driver could be a help, but that's something standard on ATI's drivers so to say my system is crippled because I'm running them is not the same as Xion's suggestions.

[schuey74]

Just look at the last 2 pages of this thread and all of the screenshots that me and RobsX2 have posted. Give them a real hard look, and you'll see that the lowest my game ever got was 35FPS, and I had to hit the frikkin' slow-mo key to even get them that low. And after you're done viewing them, drop that smug attitude you've been sporting around here today and begin work on that computer of yours, because it's seriously f*cked up.
Uh-huh, my system is seriously ****ed up because of a bug in ATI's drivers. Very clever.

Actually, what's pretty clever is somehow coming up with the idea that there's a virus out there that only affects F.E.A.R. during heavy firefights. And since we recently had a conversation about stability testing, I can't believe you would even bring up the power supply. My system loops the SM 3.0 tests from 3DM06 for hours on end while running two instances of folding. I have zero resets or lockups on my rig. I play a lot SS2, Prey, and Quake 4 as well as F.E.A.R. for many hours without a hitch. And guess what, there are parts in those games when the fps drop as well. It couldn't possibly be that the video card is getting overwhelmed at times......it's the almighty XTX!

So what you consider a smug attitude is actually a confident one because your suggestions were baseless and ludicrous. You knew before hand of my stability testing and your "F.E.A.R. only virus" is new to everyone.

[schuey74]

It doesn't "happen every time" on my machine when I encounter multiple enemies, and that's what I set out to prove with the screenshots. Several of those were taken right in the middle of gunfights where there were 2 or more characters on the screen. And they all, except for one where I had "slow-mo" enabled which slows down your frames automatically, ran around 50+ FPS.

That is a big difference from what schuey was claiming. And I don't see how in the hell you can believe me posting screenshots of exactly what he was claiming ran like sh!t on these current gen cards while proving him wrong in the process shouldn't clearly apply as "proof" here. That just makes no sense.
There's not a single screenshot posted where there are more than two live enemies. One dead guy on the floor and another shooting at you is not the problem. Why not post a screen shot from the second or third checkpoint in the "Heavy Resistance" level where you walk out a door and after killing a couple of security guards and turning the corner you encounter eight to ten soldiers at once. Or how about another scene (don't remember the level name, sorry) where there are many enemies coming out of elevator after elevator and there is glass, bullets, and grenades flying everywhere.

I too can post a pic of myself looking at a barrel on fire while getting 100 fps or shooting at the ceiling with a dead guy on the floor and get 85 fps. That's obviously not the problem. :rolleyes:

[Xion X2]

Uh-huh, my system is seriously ****ed up because of a bug in ATI's drivers. Very clever.

You must not comprehend very well. I don't think Rob ever said that his machine was struggling as greatly as yours with the bug in ATi's drivers (although he did say that you would get around a 10FPS increase if you took his advice.) In fact, right here he said that even with forcing soft-shadows with AA, which takes a huge performance hit in that game when used together, that he was still never running as low in the framerate dept. as you have been:

Back before I knew how to properly overclock this card I would play FEAR at these Video settings and stock video card and the lowest I would get would be about 38fps in Wide Wide open areas with lots of shadows and enemies, Not once have I ever seen anything less than that.

To make matters worse before I knew any better I was forcing 2XAA with Softshadows enabled and not even then did I see frame rates in the TEENS!!!

And you know what the hell of it is? I know this guy. In fact, he's a good friend of mine. I have two very good friends with 1900XTX's, and last night when I told him about your little claim he laughed his f***** ass off. He couldn't wait to try and register on these forums in order to set you straight.

Actually, what's pretty clever is somehow coming up with the idea that there's a virus out there that only affects F.E.A.R. during heavy firefights.

What the hell are you talking about? Where did I ever say that? Do you think I, a stranger on the internet, know every single game in your library? Do you think I, a stranger on the internet, know how your PC performs in every game that you play?

For all I know, every game you play could be having performance problems. And you can boo-hoo about me suggesting you may have a virus or power-supply issue (which I have seen multi-rails give out in the past, which you have, when pulling too many volts from a 12v rail that is heavily in use with other components) if you want, but they are valid causes of system slowdowns on many occasions, and I am one of the original people who opened your eyes to the fact that your system wasn't running the way that it should be.

And since we recently had a conversation about stability testing, I can't believe you would even bring up the power supply. My system loops the SM 3.0 tests from 3DM06 for hours on end while running two instances of folding. I have zero resets or lockups on my rig. I play a lot SS2, Prey, and Quake 4 as well as F.E.A.R. for many hours without a hitch. And guess what, there are parts in those games when the fps drop as well. It couldn't possibly be that the video card is getting overwhelmed at times......it's the almighty XTX!

Good for you. Now tell me how I would know something like that since we've barely spoken before?

So what you consider a smug attitude is actually a confident one because your suggestions were baseless and ludicrous.

No, I think it's just smug. Smug and oblivious.

There's not a single screenshot posted where there are more than two live enemies. One dead guy on the floor and another shooting at you is not the problem.

*snort* Aside from the fact that it's kinda hard to have one hand on the F10 key to snap screens while you're in the middle of a dogfight with 3 or 4 different enemies at once and firing your gun, do you not think there could have been a few enemies in those screens that were hiding around corners and behind crates on the warehouse level? There were. I assure you of that. But just since I'm having so much damn fun with all of this, I will replay through that section of the game when I get home tonight and post some more screens.

But I would advise you at this point in time to drop it before you make yourself look any more foolish in this matter.

Why not post a screen shot from the second or third checkpoint in the "Heavy Resistance" level where you walk out a door and after killing a couple of security guards and turning the corner you encounter eight to ten soldiers at once.

The only part of the game I had a chance to play last night was the first 10 minutes, because I recently reformatted my computer due to a motherboard change and lost all of my saved games. If you go back and look, I mentioned before I ever posted any screens that I had to install the game first.

I too can post a pic of myself looking at a barrel on fire while getting 100 fps

This just further proves to me that you don't know what you're talking about. Fire, lighting, and shadow effects around that lighting are what give most of these current-gen cards the biggest challenge to render with good framerates. That's why I posted that screenshot. That and the fact that I wanted to give you an overall picture of consistency in the game.

Your original argument was that your machine slowed down to the "teens every time" when in a gunfight with 4 or more soldiers. Well, in a few of those screenshots I posted there were two visible soldiers and several more hiding behind crates and around corners. And besides that, my game was running at 50FPS in those situations. Even if there were only two soldiers in the area (which there weren't), do you suddenly expect me to get a drop of over 30FPS just out of the blue by adding only two more characters on the screen? If so, you have even a worse understanding about performance scaling than I thought.

or shooting at the ceiling with a dead guy on the floor and get 85 fps. That's obviously not the problem.

In that shot, there were 4 soldiers walking around the lower level, and I had just shot one on the top level. But I guess that matters none when you have an agenda.

[RobsX2]

:rolleyes:

Wow, get over yourself bud...

Everyone else left the discussion and you guys took a few dozen screenshots of places where you get decent framerates. ZOMG WE ARE TEH NUBS WITH BROKEN COMPZ!!! :wonder:

Try doing some real fraps benchmarks (with frame times recorded) and posting the results here. Thats how the review sites do it, and thats how line charts are made that show fluctuating performance in games.

Just because some people dont notice when their framerate drops doesnt mean the rest of the world has broken computers when they do notice it.

I dont know how this discussion got derailed so bad... I guess me having an opinion about the G80's rumored 3dmark scores means you need to tell us why our opinions are wrong and then brag about your system's performance.

I dont think I've had a discussion this irritating on these forums in a long time...


Yeah your right because we didnt take any screen shots of guns blazing with enemies on the screen or anything like that now did we?:rolleyes:

I have more integrity than to go around and purposely try to find screen shots that would be in my favor for this arguement.

So CaptNKILL go ahead and enjoy playing FEAR with framerates stuck in the teens on your high dollar rig becaues your simply to ignorant to know how to optimize your pc correctly and to stubborn to listen to the advice from others who obviously knows what they are doing and posted screen shots proving it.

[schuey74]

Xion - talking about agendas....have your buddy sign on to back up your claims which are disproven in numerous reviews/previews.

And in case your math is bad. An increase in 10 fps is the difference between the teens & mid to high 20's. So yes, it could be (and may be) a driver issue.

Now it's my fault you can't take a screenshot during a heavy firefight? You aren't trying to finish the game, you were trying to prove a point. Certainly you can take a couple gunshots in order to get a pertinent screenshot.

[RobsX2]

Second, you call posting screenshots of specific scenes "proof" that the results coming straight from professional review sites are incorrect? Now THAT is illogical. :p



Oh ok well I guess its must also be logical that a single X1950XTX would outperform a 7900GTX SLI in the game PREY?

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=519&model2=547&chart=212

And I guess it also must be logical that a X1800XT would outperform A 7950GX2 in Oblivion? or a X1900XT doing better than a X1950XTX in Oblivion?
Or better yet a single X1900XT out doing a SLI 7950GX2 in Oblivion?

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=519&model2=547&chart=210



Yeah these guys are PROFESSIONALS!!!! so its all LOGICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:captnkill:

[Xion X2]

Xion - talking about agendas....have your buddy sign on to back up your claims which are disproven in numerous reviews/previews.

I didn't "have him sign on." All I had to do was share with him what a ridiculous claim you were making, and he was chomping at the bit.

And in case your math is bad. An increase in 10 fps is the difference between the teens & mid to high 20's. So yes, it could be (and may be) a driver issue.

Where are you getting this "mid to high 20's" from?

Now it's my fault you can't take a screenshot during a heavy firefight? You aren't trying to finish the game, you were trying to prove a point. Certainly you can take a couple gunshots in order to get a pertinent screenshot.

I didn't want to take a still screenshot because the card will struggle more when rendering in the middle of a gunfight because of all the particle effects. That's a lot more demanding than taking a few screens of some soldiers standing still. And yes, it is kind of hard to do that when you have one hand on your mouse and the other on your control keys, and another finger trying to graze the F10 key to get a good shot--all of this while trying to frame the scene perfectly to get all your 4 characters on the screen who are jumping around and hiding around corners--as the enemies with high A.I. on FEAR tend to do most of the time. They rarely, if ever, just stand in a row and let you fire your weapon at them.

But fret not, I'll be more than happy to meet your needs of some more screens when I get home this afternoon.

[RobsX2]

Xion - talking about agendas....have your buddy sign on to back up your claims which are disproven in numerous reviews/previews.

And in case your math is bad. An increase in 10 fps is the difference between the teens & mid to high 20's. So yes, it could be (and may be) a driver issue.

Now it's my fault you can't take a screenshot during a heavy firefight? You aren't trying to finish the game, you were trying to prove a point. Certainly you can take a couple gunshots in order to get a pertinent screenshot.

Bud I hate to tell you but you should seriously stop basing what you think your system performance should be based off some review. There are so many inconsistencies with them, how many different reviews do you ever read that actually yield the same results with the same test? I have seen very big discrepancys from one test to the other using the same hardware and everything.

Most of the time I get much better performance on my machine than what I see these so called professional reviewers getting. The problem is you have so many biased reviewer's out there who will purposely try to bork ati or nvidia over just so they can make one look inferior to the other.

[nemecb]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9320/realityredefinedbgxx5.jpg

:captnkill:
Thank you, at last some G80 discussion in the "G80 pics - Talk about it here." thread.:p

[Xion X2]

Most of the time I get much better performance on my machine than what I see these so called professional reviewers getting. The problem is you have so many biased reviewer's out there who will purposely try to bork ati or nvidia over just so they can make one look inferior to the other.

I am seriously amazed that so many individuals take review sites as gospel when it comes to benchmarks. There are so many variables to take into account, including the bias factor. It's best to research as many as possible and form an average estimate from them, but not accept them as fact until you see it in person. Yet time and again I see individuals basing their system's performance on a single review site's benchmark. Crazy.

And these sites have such a stranglehold on individuals that they refuse to see proof to the contrary--even when it's thrown back in their faces like it has been in this thread so far.

Can't wait to try adding two more characters on-screen to see if it makes my framerate drop by 30FPS. Forget buying schuey a beer; I'll buy him a whole Budweiser truck if that turns out to be the case.