G80 pics - Talk about it here.

[Redeemed]

Wouldn't do Quad SLi either,there isn't a CPU out there that could keep up,period...


Even with the losses due to overhead issues,the sheer amount of transistors between all 4 GPU's(2.8 billion),the overall amount of memory bandwith between all 4(320 gig/sec of memory bandwith),you'd have to run with a 30" LCD at 2500*1600 with full AA and AF and 128 bit HDR on the upcoming crysis game,and still be cpu limited with a Quad core kentsfield chip,no matter how overclocked it is....lol.


Really getting silly how much graphics cards have improved over the last few years,compared to CPU development,which has been improving no where near as fast...Not even close.

Quite true, unfortunately. Hopefully that'll change... soon.

[Xion X2]

schuey, honestly, I'm not saying this just to screw with your head, but if your machine is dropping down into the "teens" on FEAR, then you need to find yourself a really good virus scanner or upgrade your power supply pronto. My machine never ever comes close to such performance.

And I run FRAPS in the background all the time to keep an eye on my framerate while playing games.

I'm installing the game right now and will post some screenshots in a bit.

P.S. -- You never did tell us what resolution you're playing at?

[Xion X2]

Redeemed, you can take screenshots of games while you're playing them through FRAPS or nvtray. I think FRAPS uses the "printscrn" key and nvtray uses ALT + F12.

[schuey74]

P.S. -- You never did tell us what resolution you're playing at?
Sure I did.

Here's HardOCP running thru most of a level with an AMD system similar to mine and almost identical settings (16x HQAF as oppossed to my 8x HQAF). Not including the obvious drops to 0 fps during autosaves, it dropped into the teens twice and it dropped below 30 fps countless times.

I'd have to be pretty ignorant to say identical settings and ignore the rez......16x12. Now if HardOCP had experienced a couple of drops into the teens and a lot below 30 in under one level of gameplay I really don't see how you find it so unbelievable that I've seen it throughout the game. Again, you may not notice it or it may not even happen much on your rig since your 7900GTX is overclocked, but the fact is that it happens with a X1900XTX and the proof is out there for all to see. I can easily go thru the whole game in one Saturday, and that's a lot of levels, and a lot of teens and a whole lot below 30 fps. Of course, No AA takes care of that, but no AA sucks.

The reason I find it difficult to believe it never happens on your GTX is because a 7800 GTX 512 in the same test could not even run at the same rez as the XTX and the 7800 GTX 512 is only 20% slower than a 7900 GTX. Then again, the combination of your OC and new driver revisions could have given you the necessary boost to have a noticably higher minimum frame rate. But that doesn't take away from the fact of what I see on my perfectly stable system.

schuey, honestly, I'm not saying this just to screw with your head, but if your machine is dropping down into the "teens" on FEAR, then you need to find yourself a really good virus scanner or upgrade your power supply pronto. My machine never ever comes close to such performance.
I'll take your virus comment as a bad joke and my power supply is an OCZ 700W. :)

[shadow001]

Quite true, unfortunately. Hopefully that'll change... soon.


Don't really see how to be honest,since the capibilities of video cards increase at a much faster rate than developers have time or resources(unless you're a valve,ID or epic employee),to really use them effectively...


These days,it takes 4 years on average to make a game if you're developing your own graphics engine,then building a game around that engine,and given that 4 years ago,the top of the line card back then was a 9700 pro at 115 million transistors with 128 megs of ram and about 19 gig/sec of memory bandwith,and here we are today,on the verge of releasing a possible 700 million transistor beast,with 768 megs or ram and 86 gig/sec of memory bandwith,it's just scary what will be on our desktops in 4 years time, if the pace maintains itself as it has so far....



Even if a game developer started work on a new game engine + game today, with the minimum requirement being a 8800 GTX to even play the game at 800*600 at 30 FPS,forget about AA or AF,it'll be a joke to run on whatever hardware is released in 4 years time,since it'll take the team that long to finish it,and likely won't use whatever advanced features that will be supported by the hardware available then....

[RobsX2]

Sure I did.



I'd have to be pretty ignorant to say identical settings and ignore the rez......16x12. Now if HardOCP had experienced a couple of drops into the teens and a lot below 30 in under one level of gameplay I really don't see how you find it so unbelievable that I've seen it throughout the game. Again, you may not notice it or it may not even happen much on your rig since your 7900GTX is overclocked, but the fact is that it happens with a X1900XTX and the proof is out there for all to see. I can easily go thru the whole game in one Saturday, and that's a lot of levels, and a lot of teens and a whole lot below 30 fps. Of course, No AA takes care of that, but no AA sucks.

The reason I find it difficult to believe it never happens on your GTX is because a 7800 GTX 512 in the same test could not even run at the same rez as the XTX and the 7800 GTX 512 is only 20% slower than a 7900 GTX. Then again, the combination of your OC and new driver revisions could have given you the necessary boost to have a noticably higher minimum frame rate. But that doesn't take away from the fact of what I see on my perfectly stable system.


I'll take your virus comment as a bad joke and my power supply is an OCZ 700W. :)



Ok schuey74 listen up. I am going to offer to help you but so far you seem pretty closed minded about taking any advice anyone has to offer to you so I want you to listen too me real carefully because I PROMISE you I can prove that there is something wrong with your set up. Screen shots or whatever you want I can prove it too you.


First of all my System Specs.

X1900XTX@ 730core 1664mem.
X2 4800@2.7ghz
2Gigs DDR 400mem@454mhz 3 3 3 5
Soundblaster Audigy 4


The first thing I advise you to do is read this from tweakguides.com

ATI Performance Boost

It seems the ATI Catalyst Driver Team have made a mistake in customizing the Catalyst AI function in such a way that while it improves performance for the FEAR Demo, it actually reduces performance for the final version of FEAR. This has been discovered on the Beyond3D Forums, and the simple workaround for ATI users is to rename the FEAR.exe file (found in your \Program Files\Sierra\FEAR directory) to something else (e.g. Feat.exe) and then launch that new executable, and the game will perform much faster without any loss in image quality.

ATI have admitted to this mistake, and although they haven't been able to issue a fix as part of the 5.11 Catalysts, it will be included in the next set of Catalysts. For the moment it is recommended that you rename your FEAR executable as described above, create a new icon for it on your desktop, and use that to launch the game for a nice performance boost if you are an ATI graphics card owner.

Update: This issue should be resolved as of the latest Catalysts (6.3 or newer), however you can still experiment to see if renaming the executable still provides a boost or not.



See that part in red? well it just so happens that the issue was resolved in 6.3 but it has reared its ugly head back at ATI's drivers 6.4-6.9!!! You need to do what is recommended here and you will get about 10FPS increase right off the bat.




Now before you preach to me about my video card being overclocked I will be more than happy to run it at stock speeds at my maxed out settings of 1280X1024, 4XAA, 8XAF all in game options maxed and NO SS because of the distortion with AA and SS.

Back before I knew how to properly overclock this card I would play FEAR at these Video settings and stock video card and the lowest I would get would be about 38fps in Wide Wide open areas with lots of shadows and enemies, Not once have I ever seen anything less than that.

To make matters worse before I knew any better I was forcing 2XAA with Softshadows enabled and not even then did I see frame rates in the TEENS!!!

Now just for the heck of it when I play FEAR with my OC I rock that game at 75FPS in most of the inside places which happens to be limited to that because of my Monitors 75Hz refresh rate. My absolute low is 43-45FPS in the wide open out door areas where there are lots of shadows and enemys to render.


I suggest you listen to those trying to help you my friend because you do indeed have some issues with your system that need to be resolved!




Oh and as for Oblivion how's 35-40FPS in the heaviest wooded areas with lots of foilage around sound to you?

Thats with 1280X1024, HDR+2XAA, 16XAF and all Sliders full Except Outside shadows which is 70percent of the way up plus one little ini file tweak.:D

[RobsX2]

Sounds fair enough. My only problem is, EP seemed to run better than FEAR. I mean that is in it "felt" more smooth than FEAR. I would naturally attribute that to higher FPS but I could be wrong.

I am in the middle of re-modeling my room right now. I've taken too long a break from it as is with this discussion of ours. :o And I have to be to work by 6. I'll play through EP and record it tomorrow morning when I get in from work. After watching it I'll be sure to report back with what I find.

Again, EP felt so "smooth" that I'll be very surprised if the fps is lower than what I am getting in FEAR. But like I said, I'll report back tomorrow morning when I get in from work.


Redeemed you are correct as EP ran better for me than the original FEAR game! I think it is better optimized and I also noticed I can run SS with AA and ZERO distortion!

EP ran perfect even with SS and AA for me! HA!

[RobsX2]

You guys wanna see some crazy air cooling on a X1900XT?




http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/681/picture002yi4.jpg
:captnkill: :captnkill: :captnkill:

[Xion X2]

Pics, as promised. There are a lot of them, because I wanted to take several shots at different points of the game to show consistency, so give me a few minutes to post them. Make sure to scroll your page over to the right so you can see the FRAPS counter in the upper-right corner. I tried sizing them down, but they still turned out to be a little too big.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21345&d=1161657831
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21346&d=1161657831
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21347&d=1161657845
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21348&d=1161657845
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21349&d=1161657858

[Xion X2]

More pics.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21350&d=1161657928
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21351&d=1161657928
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21352&d=1161657948
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21353&d=1161657948
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21354&d=1161658004

[Xion X2]

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21355&d=1161658567
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21356&d=1161658599
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21357&d=1161658599
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21358&d=1161658620
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21359&d=1161658620

[RobsX2]

More pics.

NICE!!!!

Here is just the basic stress test with maxed out settings and 4XAA, 16XAF.

Note my video card is at stock XT speeds.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6774/fearstockfi8.png



In game pics soon!

[Xion X2]

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21366&d=1161658796
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21367&d=1161658796
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21368&d=1161658810

[Xion X2]

.. and this is the last of them.

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21369&d=1161659064
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=21370&d=1161659064

[Xion X2]

NICE!!!!

Here is just the basic stress test with maxed out settings and 4XAA, 16XAF.

Note my video card is at stock XT speeds.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/6774/fearstockfi8.png



In game pics soon!

Holy sh!t, Rob. That setup is smokin! 80FPS.. even if it is at 1280 res, for a single 1900XTX, is quite impressive.

Nice!

[RobsX2]

Holy sh!t, Rob. That setup is smokin! 80FPS.. even if it is at 1280 res, for a single 1900XTX, is quite impressive.

Nice!

Thanks bud!

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/328/sdfsdfhn0.png

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/1104/sdfsdfsdfsdfsdfnl7.png


http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/1733/dqb1.png

[Xion X2]

How do you get your pictures sized down like that?

[RobsX2]

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1143/sdfsfij9.png

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7899/sfdsfdro6.png

[RobsX2]

How do you get your pictures sized down like that?

Heck if I know? sometimes it does it and other times it doesnt. Hurrr.

[RobsX2]

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/5498/fmo0.png

[SLippe]

Heck if I know? sometimes it does it and other times it doesnt. Hurrr.
Make sure there isn't a mark in the little check box next to having the picture resized where you pick to upload a picture. That's probably what is happening.
http://www.slippe.com/images/misc/imageshack_resize.jpg
Image hosted at SLippe.com (http://www.slippe.com/)

[RobsX2]

Make sure there isn't a mark in the little check box next to having the picture resized where you pick to upload a picture. That's probably what is happening.
http://www.slippe.com/images/misc/imageshack_resize.jpg
Image hosted at SLippe.com (http://www.slippe.com/)

Ahhhhh! thanks!

[RobsX2]

Well I gotta get some sleep and imageshack is being stupid right now so I cant post any more pics. I think XionX2 and I got our point across.

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/66/dsfiq7.png

[Xion X2]

So no matter how many people you see getting similar #s, it won't mean a thing to you, their system's must also be borked, right? In the same run with the X1900XTX there is a 7800 GTX 512 which can't even run the game decently @ 16x12 so they resorted to 1280x960.

Don't believe everything you read in reviews. Half of those dorks don't know how to properly optimize a machine and/or drivers properly. I can't tell you how many stupid reviews I've read that were so different from my real-life experiences with games.

There was a review I read a while back about a GX2 that somehow got outperformed in every single benchmark by a 1800XT. Now tell me if that makes a lick of sense.

Just look at the last 2 pages of this thread and all of the screenshots that me and RobsX2 have posted. Give them a real hard look, and you'll see that the lowest my game ever got was 35FPS, and I had to hit the frikkin' slow-mo key to even get them that low. And after you're done viewing them, drop that smug attitude you've been sporting around here today and begin work on that computer of yours, because it's seriously f*cked up.

[Xion X2]

And here's the beast that somehow manages to stay above that crippling 17-18FPS that plagues so many people with high-end cards. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/cool.gif

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=20771&d=1159764082

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=20773&d=1159764226