View Full Version : DirectX 9.L will be a DirectX 10 for Windows XP
Siskods9
10-16-06, 06:48 AM
http://www.theinq.com/default.aspx?article=35110
Apologies if this is old news...
CaptNKILL
10-16-06, 07:26 AM
I wonder why they are assuming that no one will buy the game unless they can run it smoothly in DirectX10 mode.
I think as it is the majority of people playing PC games are probably running at medium to low settings. Crysis wont make anything change.
Well that's good, because that Pile-of-bloatware garbage Vista isn't going on any of my machines... not even the Conroe system that I'm slowly getting parts for.
/shrug
I heard DX9.0L is more of a DX10 "emulation" mode.
I think that INQ is like most of times out of game. Directx 9.L is the Directx 9 "version" for Vista. That should have benefits over the DX9 XP/2000 version. So DX9 Crisys should have more FPS in Vista than in XP, and DX10 Crisys should be more beautifull, but only in Vista.
walterman
10-16-06, 12:03 PM
That "L" sounds like "Layer", for Vista to run DX9 titles.
As I understood it from a article (old one tho), D3d9L or D3d9+ as some called it was a enhanced version of DX9 for Vista using some of the news in the Vista drivermodel.
EDIT
found the article: http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/video/longhorn.html
WGF 1.0 is also a new API, which is functionally based on the D3D9 graphics features with minor changes and innovations (it's sometimes referred to as D3D9.L, but we shall call it D3D9+). From the programmer's point of view the API is different from D3D9 in many aspects and calls, including considerably easier resource management and some other aspects, the graphics pipeline remains the same and provides flexibility and functionality (familiar by D3D9), but nothing more. That is it's more convenient to develop applications for WGF 1.0 than for the old D3D9, but they will not get access to the landmark features. Though they will run faster and become more reliable due to the above mentioned LDDM advantages, which WGF 1.0 tries to use as far as possible. This API is an ideal match to the state-of-the-art hardware, given the drivers are overhauled for the new LDM, which won't take very long — by the time the operating system is released or even earlier. The key innovations include sharing resources among applications and processes (for example, a single virtual frame buffer for several applications) and automatic memory management, which is limited only by the available virtual memory, but not limited by physical resources of the local or system memory.
lduguay
10-16-06, 02:09 PM
Well that's good, because that Pile-of-bloatware garbage Vista isn't going on any of my machines... not even the Conroe system that I'm slowly getting parts for.
/shrug
Not to worry, you WILL be assimilated into the collectivity. :)
slaWter
10-16-06, 02:12 PM
I think that INQ is like most of times out of game. Directx 9.L is the Directx 9 "version" for Vista.
That's what I heard also.
... not even the Conroe system that I'm slowly getting parts for.
You already bought the keyboard.. !
You already bought the keyboard.. !
Too bad it won't work with Vista because it doesn't have a DRM chip in it :lol: :p
Zelda_fan
10-16-06, 03:19 PM
This is total bull****.
XP can't run DX10 titles mainly becasue of the new graphics driver model which is exclusive to vista.
If they did manage to get DX10 working on XP, it would be done via an emulation mode (as Jackup said) and performance will be horribly slow.
PeterJensen
10-16-06, 03:45 PM
This is not real.
You already bought the keyboard.. !
Actually I have the motherboard and power supply. Waiting for better availability and prices on the RAM. No need to buy the CPU until last minute, when I actually buy the RAM I want.
As for DX 9.0L being for Vista's backwards compatibility... it figures. MS wants people to drop XP faster than 9.x... but I don't think it's going to happen.
As for being assimilated... I doubt it. I run most things on linux, except games. Once games go Vista only... I'm done (as far as buying new ones, since I have a huge collection that runs on XP.)
BTW, See chart: :p
http://www.anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.aspx?i=2780&p=11
JamesDax
10-16-06, 04:20 PM
Well that's good, because that Pile-of-bloatware garbage Vista isn't going on any of my machines... not even the Conroe system that I'm slowly getting parts for.
/shrug
LOL!!!
You know you're going to upgrade. Why even deny it.
Did some googling and came up with alot more stuff contradicting the Inq, and nothing backing them.. posted it on another forum but this is the same topic so..
Apparantly D3d9L is now called D3D9Ex (Or DirectX graphics for Windows Vista)
The MSDN link should atleast be fairly trustworthy on the topic..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct3D
D3D9Ex was previously known as WGF 1.0 and D3D9.L. Both D3D9Ex and D3D10 require WDDM-compliant drivers, conforming to 1.0 for existing hardware (previously Basic model) and 2.x (Advanced model) for post-Vista hardware. Although D3D9Ex features similar improvements like better gamma control, support for virtulization of resources and device removal (in order to gracefully recover from a failure the hardware can be "removed" and then "added"), it's a relatively minor upgrade which is not going to drive radical new development in either games or GPUs.
http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=386079&whichpage=1%EF%8B%87
The official name for D3D9L is now DirectX graphics for Windows Vista or in short form D3D9EX.
http://www.answers.com/topic/directx
DirectX 9.0L - 6.00.5600.16384 - Adds additional functionality like shared resources (used by DWM) to DirectX 9.0c. Only available with Windows Vista.
http://windowssdk.msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms681823(VS.80).aspx
D3DERR_NOTAVAILABLE when D3D9L features are not supported (no WDDM driver installed)
Drivers that do not implement the WDDM, will not be able to instantiate Windows Vista DirectX graphics interfaces.
LOL!!!
You know you're going to upgrade. Why even deny it.
Well... initially I've been torn... I'll admit that. But the more MS inches towards the "software rental" scheme... the more turned off I am by it. I am unwilling to "give control" of an OS, that I purchased, to a company (The remote control cripple via wga crap). All it takes is for 1 hacker knob to put out a virus to mass shut down / cripple Vista OSes, and that's all she wrote. When that happens, MS is gonna get their pants sued off by legitimate users and companies. That, and I don't need something that eats 550mb of RAM just sitting there doing nothing. That's just plain stupid.
So, no... I won't be upgrading. I don't consider Vista an upgrade (Other than DX10). If I want "a pretty 3D desktop" (which is fairly useless)... most of the recent, or about to be released, major linux distros do it with 1/3'd the resources needed. (SLED 10, Mandriva 2007, Fedora Core 6, Ubuntu Edgy, Opensuse 10.2, Saybayon, etc.).
So, if DX10 / Gaming will end up Vista only... so be it. Since I'm in my 40's... I don't care if I can't get newer games, I have plenty. And eventually... they'll all run on Linux and I can ditch winblowz forever.
/shrug
JamesDax
10-16-06, 09:01 PM
So, if DX10 / Gaming will end up Vista only... so be it. Since I'm in my 40's... I don't care if I can't get newer games, I have plenty. And eventually... they'll all run on Linux and I can ditch winblowz forever.
/shrug
LMAO!!! Yeah, that'll happen.
You will be assimulated. Resistance is futile. lol
a12ctic
10-16-06, 09:12 PM
Well... initially I've been torn... I'll admit that. But the more MS inches towards the "software rental" scheme... the more turned off I am by it. I am unwilling to "give control" of an OS, that I purchased, to a company (The remote control cripple via wga crap). All it takes is for 1 hacker knob to put out a virus to mass shut down / cripple Vista OSes, and that's all she wrote. When that happens, MS is gonna get their pants sued off by legitimate users and companies. That, and I don't need something that eats 550mb of RAM just sitting there doing nothing. That's just plain stupid.
So, no... I won't be upgrading. I don't consider Vista an upgrade (Other than DX10). If I want "a pretty 3D desktop" (which is fairly useless)... most of the recent, or about to be released, major linux distros do it with 1/3'd the resources needed. (SLED 10, Mandriva 2007, Fedora Core 6, Ubuntu Edgy, Opensuse 10.2, Saybayon, etc.).
So, if DX10 / Gaming will end up Vista only... so be it. Since I'm in my 40's... I don't care if I can't get newer games, I have plenty. And eventually... they'll all run on Linux and I can ditch winblowz forever.
/shrug
eventualy? i already play 99% of games that are released on linux. Pretty much any game will run except some that are directly connect to ms (halo, rise of nations, age of empires)
This is total bull****.
XP can't run DX10 titles mainly becasue of the new graphics driver model which is exclusive to vista.
If they did manage to get DX10 working on XP, it would be done via an emulation mode (as Jackup said) and performance will be horribly slow.
Thats what i've gathered too so i really doubt these info. (would be great if true!)
or maybe its actually the other way around ? that DX9.0L will be used if you ran a DX9.0 game on WinVista ? .. just a guess.
Bman212121
10-16-06, 10:01 PM
As everyone has been saying, that is what I remember it being as also. 9.0L is vista's version of DX9.
I'm still suprised at all the anti vista ppl. It's not even out yet and people are already saying they don't like it.
PeterJensen
10-17-06, 01:11 AM
I really like the RC1 and RC2.
As everyone has been saying, that is what I remember it being as also. 9.0L is vista's version of DX9.
I'm still suprised at all the anti vista ppl. It's not even out yet and people are already saying they don't like it.
There are always those few :)
Zelda_fan
10-17-06, 01:29 AM
eventualy? i already play 99% of games that are released on linux. Pretty much any game will run except some that are directly connect to ms (halo, rise of nations, age of empires)
Actually it's more like 1% of games run on linux, and 99% don't.
Let's see you have NWN (and the sequel won't work in linux)
Doom
Unreal
America's Army
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hmmm
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can't think of any more. You're turn.
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