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Well, if you end up waiting for the R600, you might as well wait just a few more months and get the Nvidia refresh or you could wait a few more months after the refresh and get the ATI refresh or...etc.
my lips are shut.:)
You know, I can't reveal my sources but I know for a fact that the G90 will eat the R600 alive.
agentkay
10-25-06, 12:41 PM
You know, I can't reveal my sources but I know for a fact that the G90 will eat the R600 alive.
Actually MY sources told me the G81 will already do that. :D
SpiffMistroII
10-25-06, 04:21 PM
sigh...
You folks will not see a G80 refresh untill september at least. That's also when R600's refresh comes out. Because R600 got delayed a month, dose not mean it's refresh will. The x1900xt is the perfect example of this. R600 is launching in Janurary/early Feb. That's about the time of Vista's launch and Crysis as well.
Xion X2
10-25-06, 04:40 PM
my lips are shut.:)
Are you under NDA? Otherwise spill the beans, because it just seems as if you're waffling. No one here is going to believe you w/o proof. Nv or ATi are rarely able to stump the other in performance. Both of them have a pretty good idea of what the other is up to, I think.
sigh...
You folks will not see a G80 refresh untill september at least.
September? That's almost a year! Usually Nvidia releases a refresh in ~6 months...
SpiffMistroII
10-25-06, 04:48 PM
September? That's almost a year! Usually Nvidia releases a refresh in ~6 months...
G71 was 10 months.
Currently on AMD's road map, R600's refresh is in June. Both Refreshes will hit pretty close.
G71 was 10 months.
Maybe semantics are bad here... I am thinking that a refresh can mean just bumped clock speeds...
We saw the 7900 in what april of 06 right (correct me if I am wrong)?
Before that there was the 7800gtx 512mb and that was Dec 05. Thats only 5 months.
I am sure that TSMC will get better yeilds in ~6months and nvidia will release another G80 with faster clocks.
Are you under NDA? Otherwise spill the beans, because it just seems as if you're waffling. No one here is going to believe you w/o proof. Nv or ATi are rarely able to stump the other in performance. Both of them have a pretty good idea of what the other is up to, I think.
he doesnt have ****. hes a fan boy and has shown it from day one. im also starting to think he is part of some sort of ATI viral marketing program.
ha look at me ive seen the ATI road map that the whole world has seen so stfu and believe what ever i say!!:retard:
my lips are shut.:)
SpiffMistroII, if you had no idea about flex I/O and rambus ram and why its not being used, I highly doubt you have any inside info on the r600. I've been watching your posts and there is very little credible information or even informative information about anything other then the r600 will be faster and links to websites that really don't have the correct specs or proper information yet, are you sure you aren't looking to be hired as a Inq writer?
Just to give you an idea the German site that said 30% increased performance over the 1950 xtx guess what reviewers didn't get drivers for the 8800 series till today. Either they were talking to a developer or they lied. They said someone from Editor's day which would mean a reviewer, which would also mean they.......
You folks will not see a G80 refresh untill september at least. That's also when R600's refresh comes out. Because R600 got delayed a month, dose not mean it's refresh will. The x1900xt is the perfect example of this. R600 is launching in Janurary/early Feb. That's about the time of Vista's launch and Crysis as well.
You didn't understand my post. Only if the R600 is released by December 2006 the latest, you can actually directly compare both cards with each other (G80 and R600).
If there are more than 2-3 months between both release dates, the latter is technically seen a newer, more advanced architecture and both are not competiting directly, except maybe marketing-wise.
The R600 will most certainly be released late Q1 2007 and therefore has to perform better than the G80 or ATI did something wrong because you have to know, developing a chip as complex as a GPU is done by speculating what hardware (manufacturing process, RAM types) are available in mass-quantities at launch time.
With the G80, nvidia's goal was to ship the first DX10 as fast as possible while still having great yields.
ATI obviously decided to offer the hottest hardware with a smaller manufacturing process and the best memory available, which could not in any way be delivered this year. They will be late with their DX10 tech by a few months but have at that moment, without any doubt the best hardware on the market. It's obvious that the R600 will be faster than the G80, no doubt, Sherlock!
The only question which now remains is which strategy is better: Be the first, offer great performance with low manufacturing costs or offer the faster card while being late at the game and suffer from manufacturing problems and bad yields. Who will make more money? It's pretty obvious.
chipguy
10-26-06, 01:37 AM
If there are more than 2-3 months between both release dates, the latter is technically seen a newer, more advanced architecture and both are not competiting directly, except maybe marketing-wise.
You're overlooking 1 small little detail: humans are not infallible. It is extermely easy in chip design to
a) miss a predefined deadline: just like in software, schedule prediction is very hard. But unlike software, you can't just decide late in the game to cancel few features and ship an incomplete product.
b) have a bug that requires a full layer respin: that can easily add a month or 2 or 3 to an existing schedule. Chip companies typically plan up front for 1 metal-only respin, since history has shown that it's virtually impossible to ship new design without at least some bugs here and there that need to be fixed. But a full layer respin is usually not taken into account, so when you screw up and it happens, your carefully scheduled release just before Xmas falls in the water.
I'm not saying that R600 won't be more performant than G80. This being due to it being 3 months later is not very likely.
yes, I know, delays... but this isn't the case with the R600. The R600 was never meant to be released this year or at the same moment as the G80. That's why I didn't mention it. It's delayed but only from its original early 2007 date. The R600 was never meant to be a direct competitor of the G80. It was meant to be faster, sporting GDDR4, higher frequencies, a more advanced USA. Unfortunately this also means no early shipping date. ATI knew all this during the development of the R600. They never expected it to be released at the same time as the G80.
This was obviously different with the R520 which slipped its ETA by many months due to leakage.
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