View Full Version : Bad news: Pioneer Blue Ray delayed until December 2006
Heinz68
11-01-06, 10:11 AM
Good news: it's now down to $1500
Can't wait to buy couple for Christmas :)
Pioneer BDP-HD1 Blu-ray Player Pushed to December
The launch of Pioneer's BDP-HD1 stand-alone Blu-ray player has been delayed because of quality control issues, says a Pioneer spokesperson.
The BDP-HD1, originally expected to ship in October, will now be available in December. The player has not passed the company's quality control requirements, and it will be available when it does.
"All of the player's specifications had not been finalized in time to meet Pioneer's quality control requirements," the Pioneer spokesperson writes in an email to ElectronicHouse.com.
"The BDP-HD1 needs to pass our testing to ensure it fulfills the high performance expectations associated with Pioneer Elite."
This isn't the first delay for the unit. It was initially scheduled for release in May, but "development delays" postponed the roll-out.
The current delay is not because of a technical issue, according to the spokesperson.
The BDP-HD1 is priced at $1,500.
Last week, Sony's BDP-S1 Blu-ray player was delayed because of a software issue.
For more information on Blu-ray and HD DVD, visit our High-Def DVD special report. -- Jason Unger
http://www.electronichouse.com/columns/products/16254.html
AdmiralHalsey..
11-01-06, 01:49 PM
Blue ray isn't looking too promising to me, Playstation 3 is the key to its success. But how can a stand alone player be 1500 when the playstation 3 will be like 600? Gee, which should I get...
Zelda_fan
11-01-06, 03:09 PM
Why anyone would purchase a blu-ray player when HD-DVD provides a higher quality image for cheaper is beyond me.
Zelda_fan
11-01-06, 03:10 PM
Blue ray isn't looking too promising to me, Playstation 3 is the key to its success. But how can a stand alone player be 1500 when the playstation 3 will be like 600? Gee, which should I get...
The PS3 won't have anywhere near the availability to make blu-ray mainstream. Not only that, a standalone HD-DVD player is cheaper than the PS3.
DansFace
11-01-06, 03:11 PM
1500$ Are they joking?
You can get a 32" LCD HDTV for that..
Where the hell are the damn 5.25 Blue Ray and HD DVD drives! Most of the component cost for the standalone drives comes from the fact that they are essentially a computer without a hard drive.
Zelda_fan
11-01-06, 03:56 PM
Where the hell are the damn 5.25 Blue Ray and HD DVD drives! Most of the component cost for the standalone drives comes from the fact that they are essentially a computer without a hard drive.
There are a few blu-ray burners on the market, but they are rediculously expensive ($1000+). I think NEC is working on a HD-DVD burner.
but to be honest, HD formats are practically useless on a computer. Only movies use HD formats, and you need a big screen TV to really see a benefit.
nekrosoft13
11-01-06, 04:31 PM
dvds are 480p, a 1080p HD-DVD drive would benefit computers also
Zelda_fan
11-01-06, 04:33 PM
dvds are 480p, a 1080p HD-DVD drive would benefit computers also
what I'm saying is that for starters you have to have a 1080p screen, and not many PCs have that. Also, DVD software for computers is pretty much **** compared to an actual standalone player.
but to be honest, HD formats are practically useless on a computer. Only movies use HD formats, and you need a big screen TV to really see a benefit.
WHAT?!? I can clearly see the detail difference on a 1080p HD WMV clip on my monitor and I only run a 21in screen. Anyway, computers hook up fine to TVs, I also watch movies on my TV through my computer, but wouldn't do so with HD because I have a crappy old set.
I could care less about burning capability with HD right now because the discs are more expensive than just buying another hard drive, but watching HD content would be cool.
nekrosoft13
11-01-06, 04:39 PM
you don't need an 1080p screen to benefit
1680x1050 will benefit from 1080p also, it will be just shrunk a bit.
is better to shrink 1080p, by about 300 pixels by 30 pixels, then magnifly 480p by over 2 times.
nekrosoft13
11-01-06, 04:41 PM
WHAT?!? I can clearly see the detail difference on a 1080p HD WMV clip on my monitor and I only run a 21in screen. Anyway, computers hook up fine to TVs, I also watch movies on my TV through my computer, but wouldn't do so with HD because I have a crappy old set.
I could care less about burning capability with HD right now because the discs are more expensive than just buying another hard drive, but watching HD content would be cool.
i also download QT 1080P mov trailers and watch them in WMP11 using the coreavc and coreaac, you can clearly see difference
1500$ Are they joking?
You can get a 32" LCD HDTV for that..
Yeah, that's way too much. I'll wait for the prices to drop although I hope the PS3 will work well in that regard. If so, I won't bother with a standalone player. I would like a blu-ray burner for the computer though. The extra capacity would definitely come in handy.
The extra capacity would definitely come in handy.
Have you seen the media prices? It is ~$1/gig. You can get 400gb hard drives for $0.25/gig, ther really is no point until media hits around ~$0.10/gig due to the fact that it is slower than a hard drive.
lightman
11-01-06, 06:02 PM
Have you seen the media prices? It is ~$1/gig. You can get 400gb hard drives for $0.25/gig, ther really is no point until media hits around ~$0.10/gig due to the fact that it is slower than a hard drive.
Well, moving around a HD is quite more prone to problems than moving around a single disk, so in this regard, HD-DVD/BluRay have an advantage...
Well, moving around a HD is quite more prone to problems than moving around a single disk, so in this regard, HD-DVD/BluRay have an advantage...
If portability is an issue, 2.5in drives are just as portable if not more so and around the same price per gig (although I admit I am not really up to date on portable drive prices).
Also hard drives aren't prone to problems when moved around as long as the head is parked. Just don't move it when it is powered.
Basically, it is against my religion to buy technology that is more expensive and slower.
Heinz68
11-01-06, 06:52 PM
Why anyone would purchase a blu-ray player when HD-DVD provides a higher quality image for cheaper is beyond me.Any more details on the "higher quality image"?
Any more details on the "higher quality image"?
Well most BRay is Mpeg2 and HD DVD uses a superior Codec. However I think Zelda's statement is false because it is based on initial disk releases. 50gb BRay discs are now appearing and they have the best quailty so far.
lightman
11-01-06, 06:59 PM
Also hard drives aren't prone to problems when moved around as long as the head is parked. Just don't move it when it is powered.
Even if the head is parked, try and drop a HD from, say, 10" ... You can think whatever you want, but a CD/DVD/HDDVD/BluRay is much more resistant than a HD... ;)
lightman
11-01-06, 07:02 PM
Well most BRay is Mpeg2 and HD DVD uses a superior Codec. However I think Zelda's statement is false because it is based on initial disk releases. 50gb BRay discs are now appearing and they have the best quailty so far.
Not to mention the fact that the choice of which compression to use is up to the publisher. Blu-ray can play (mandatory) mpeg-2, H.264 (mpeg-4) and SMPTE VC-1...
Even if the head is parked, try and drop a HD from, say, 10" ... You can think whatever you want, but a CD/DVD/HDDVD/BluRay is much more resistant than a HD... ;)
Maybe so, but I try not to drop mine. Anyway haven't you seen the IBM tech (guess it is Lenovo now...) where the laptop drops 3 or 4 feet while in use and the drive is fine? Although they have a motion sensor to park the heads on detection of a fall.
Also, media is prone to scratches and damage by spills... (I have got windex accidentally on discs before and that jacked em up)
lightman
11-01-06, 07:35 PM
Maybe so, but I try not to drop mine. Anyway haven't you seen the IBM tech (guess it is Lenovo now...) where the laptop drops 3 or 4 feet while in use and the drive is fine? Although they have a motion sensor to park the heads on detection of a fall.
Not to mention suspension... And shock absorbance... But a bare HD is quite another thing ;) And I can assure you 3 out of 4 times, a HD dropped from as little as 10" ends up damaged... :D
Also, media is prone to scratches and damage by spills... (I have got windex accidentally on discs before and that jacked em up)
True, but as long as they are on their sleeves or cases, scratches are not a problem...
See, the point is that there are cases in which a HD is better, and cases in which a removable media is. It all boils down to what you have to do. But blankly saying that there is no use for a removable media is, imho, completely wrong... :)
See, the point is that there are cases in which a HD is better, and cases in which a removable media is. It all boils down to what you have to do. But blankly saying that there is no use for a removable media is, imho, completely wrong... :)
First of all who do you know that has a blue ray drive that you can use you "portable media" with and who do you know that can use an external hard drive with their system... For me is is 0 vs. ALL.
Anyway, I didn't say there was no use for removable media...
I love DVD-R's, but primarily due to their significant cost/gig advantage. I just don't see a point in Blue Ray media yet. I would buy 3 dual layer Dvd's for $4.50 or 6 single layer for ~$1 rather than 1 Blue ray disc for $25-30, but hey to each their own.
Essentially I see NO REASON to buy blue ray as a backup or portable media and don't tell me that it is easier to carry 1 disc vs. 3... Eventually it will be good like DVD-R's are now but not for a while.
lightman
11-01-06, 07:47 PM
I didn't say there was no use for removable media... I love DVD-R's, but primarily due to their significant cost/gig advantage. I just don't see a point in Blue Ray media yet. I would buy 3 dual layer Dvd's for $4.50 or 6 single layer for ~$1 rather than 1 Blue ray disc for $25-30, but hey to each their own.
Oh, yeah, I misunderstood you then. (Second time tonite :D), and yeah, I have to concede that right now HD-DVD and BluRay are not really competitive. I don't doubt they will be, though... :)
Oh, yeah, I misunderstood you then. (Second time tonite :D), and yeah, I have to concede that right now HD-DVD and BluRay are not really competitive. I don't doubt they will be, though... :)
HAHA, interpretation skills up to snuff, eh? :p
Yeah I look forward to market saturation of HD-DVD or Blue Ray, we will get good media prices then... Although if Sony has some sort of patent on Blue Ray media it might never drop to crazy low prices as they may charge some fee to other disc manufacturers.
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