Let's review ATI's performance 4/04-11/06

[RupertBanana]

Nvidia produce two quality products in the form of the 6800NU and 6800GT, and ATI produce..........................I forget....I think it was an appalling x800pro and a series of "phantom" products and "lunch launches".

Of course Nvidia bring the incredible 6600GT to market in late 04 and ATI finally get their act together in the form of the X800XL.....so one decent card vs 3.

In 05 it just kept getting better for Nvidia, SLI, hard launch of 7800GT/GTX......so how did ATI respond, yep, the farcical X1800XT{ehehhehhee}, oh and they rebadged the X850XT PE as the 1800XL.

But you know what, in mid 06, ATI actually scored with the X1950XTX....powerful, quite and affordable.....looks like we have a competition folks, except that Nvidia is making an ass of ATI, ie, 6800GS, 7600GT, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7800GTX 512, 7900GTX, 7900GTO, 7950GT, GX2.

And now the 8800's are upon us and ATI is dead silent.....so my question is, "has there ever been such an asskicking in any industry, let alone desktop graphics for such a long period?"

[Daneel Olivaw]

Nvidia produce two quality products in the form of the 6800NU and 6800GT, and ATI produce..........................I forget....I think it was an appalling x800pro and a series of "phantom" products and "lunch launches".

Of course Nvidia bring the incredible 6600GT to market in late 04 and ATI finally get their act together in the form of the X800XL.....so one decent card vs 3.

In 05 it just kept getting better for Nvidia, SLI, hard launch of 7800GT/GTX......so how did ATI respond, yep, the farcical X1800XT{ehehhehhee}, oh and they rebadged the X850XT PE as the 1800XL.

But you know what, in mid 06, ATI actually scored with the X1950XTX....powerful, quite and affordable.....looks like we have a competition folks, except that Nvidia is making an ass of ATI, ie, 6800GS, 7600GT, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7800GTX 512, 7900GTX, 7900GTO, 7950GT, GX2.

And now the 8800's are upon us and ATI is dead silent.....so my question is, "has there ever been such an asskicking in any industry, let alone desktop graphics for such a long period?"
Well, I don't consider these:
6800GS, 7900GTO, 7950GT to be worthy of listing that much. The 6800gs was bested a bit too quickly by the 7 series just after its release, the GTO is limited edition, and the 7950GT is not a very great buy. But the rest of the list is pretty impressive. The 6600GT should make the list, maybe with the 6800GT.

ATi's 1950GT a very good step for them.

Also, keep in mind they are currently being integrated in AMD.

Lets not forget that the gap between ATi and NV today (pre G80 wise) is no where near as great as the gap between the FX and 95xx/97xx series.

But you're right nV is currently the leader, just not so dramatically as you're letting on, I think. I'd rather have ATi be silent than bragging about vaporware, as both companies have done in the past.

[RupertBanana]

Well, I don't consider these:
6800GS, 7900GTO, 7950GT to be worthy of listing that much. The 6800gs was bested a bit too quickly by the 7 series just after its release, the GTO is limited edition, and the 7950GT is not a very great buy. But the rest of the list is pretty impressive. The 6600GT should make the list, maybe with the 6800GT.
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The GTO should be a limited edition.....but at least it was offered for sale, and also, I'm not sure what you mean by the 7950GT not being worthy.....it's not that much slower than the fully blown 7900GTX 512, yet it's available in 256mb and 512mb flavours for $400AUD and $500 respectively, IOW, powerful DX9 cards at great prices.{7900GTX 512 is about $675AUD}.

ATI have management problems IMO....they're slow to market and often offer poor performance compared to Nvidia, ie, XF vs SLI, X800pro vs 6800GT, 1800XT vs 7800GTX 512....plus they lack Nvidia's range of products.....I'd rather have a headache having to choose from a group of great cards than be stuck with a mediocre option.

The 8800's are the Nvidia END GAME.

[stevemedes]

The GTO should be a limited edition.....but at least it was offered for sale, and also, I'm not sure what you mean by the 7950GT not being worthy.....it's not that much slower than the fully blown 7900GTX 512, yet it's available in 256mb and 512mb flavours for $400AUD and $500 respectively, IOW, powerful DX9 cards at great prices.{7900GTX 512 is about $675AUD}.

ATI have management problems IMO....they're slow to market and often offer poor performance compared to Nvidia, ie, XF vs SLI, X800pro vs 6800GT, 1800XT vs 7800GTX 512....plus they lack Nvidia's range of products.....I'd rather have a headache having to choose from a group of great cards than be stuck with a mediocre option.

The 8800's are the Nvidia END GAME.

I wouldn't declare ATI dead yet. They just got aquired by a large company thats probably going to throw more R&D dollars into new GPUs. Its always back and forth between these companies. Buy whats best when your upgrading thats all you can really do.

[Sazar]

Nvidia produce two quality products in the form of the 6800NU and 6800GT, and ATI produce..........................I forget....I think it was an appalling x800pro and a series of "phantom" products and "lunch launches".

Of course Nvidia bring the incredible 6600GT to market in late 04 and ATI finally get their act together in the form of the X800XL.....so one decent card vs 3.

In 05 it just kept getting better for Nvidia, SLI, hard launch of 7800GT/GTX......so how did ATI respond, yep, the farcical X1800XT{ehehhehhee}, oh and they rebadged the X850XT PE as the 1800XL.

But you know what, in mid 06, ATI actually scored with the X1950XTX....powerful, quite and affordable.....looks like we have a competition folks, except that Nvidia is making an ass of ATI, ie, 6800GS, 7600GT, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7800GTX 512, 7900GTX, 7900GTO, 7950GT, GX2.

And now the 8800's are upon us and ATI is dead silent.....so my question is, "has there ever been such an asskicking in any industry, let alone desktop graphics for such a long period?"

Fwiw, the nv4x cards v/s the ati r4xx cards was not quite a white-wash for nvidia :)

I was more than happy to get rid of my old 6800 ultra. Other than sm 3.0, there was no benefit for me to use it, raw speed was superior for Ati and benches through today support that.

Nvidia's primary trump card was SLi and ati is still playing catch up there.

Both companies have produced great products, you bash many of ati's cards without understanding the technology behind it and the implications for the r6xx series.

I am eagerly awaiting the upcoming nvidia 8800 series cards primarily to see what to expect with unified shaders.

[RupertBanana]

I was more than happy to get rid of my old 6800 ultra. Other than sm 3.0, there was no benefit for me to use it, raw speed was superior for Ati and benches through today support that.

Nvidia's primary trump card was SLi and ati is still playing catch up there.

Both companies have produced great products, you bash many of ati's cards without understanding the technology behind it and the implications for the r6xx series.

I.

Hilarious response, thanks.
FYI, I deliberately left out the 6800U cause it was a problem parent, but it's teenagers were fine, ie, 6800GT, 6800NU.....furthermore, winning vapourware GPU shootouts don't count, IOW, if I can't buy/afford it, then it's garbage.

Nvidi'a trump cards were the 6800GT, 6800NU, 6600GT, SLI, price, and availability aka a clean sweep or kickass result for Green.

I bash all crappy products, and that's why I excused the X800XL, HISX850XT, X800GT 256/X800GTO/GTO2/1950XTX/1950pro....however, most of these products were late to market and weren't price segment winners, especially with SLI.

I'm not interested in being anyone's tech bunny, ie Quadcore{unless prices drop}, so you're welcome to your so-called advanced but under utilized tech advantage.

Nvidia rules and are ruling again.....that's a statement of verifiable FACT.

[glObalist]

But you know what, in mid 06, ATI actually scored with the X1950XTX....powerful, quite and affordable.....looks like we have a competition folks, except that Nvidia is making an ass of ATI, ie, 6800GS, 7600GT, 7900GS, 7900GT, 7800GTX 512, 7900GTX, 7900GTO, 7950GT, GX2.

X1950XTX is still THE one fastest single card on the market, until tomorrow of course:D It boggles my mind why you even mention any of those nvidia cards in that paragraph, as they have nothing on this beast, with the exception of the GX2 maybe, but that one's a different type of solution.

Anyway, what are you trying to say? That ATI seems kinda late with their releases and always plays catch up with nvidia? So what? You can look at it the other way round - ATI always take the performance crown in the end.

Either way, enjoy your shimmering while I wait for the R600. :p

[Siskods9]

I preferred it when both camps just had fewer models, i.e. a budget card, a base level mainstream version, a pro and an ultra.

The amount of ridiculous nomenclature and slight variations of the same hardware out there is insane IMHO.

XL, GS, GTO, GT, XT, XTX, PRO, ULTRA, GTX etc etc... :thumbdwn:

[Daneel Olivaw]

if I can't buy/afford it, then it's garbage.
If you can afford a GX2 or GTX you can afford any ATi card. At least in North America.

I'm not saying nV is not winning, I'm just saying I like the competition!

[Imbroglio]

why does everyone keep saying the 7950gt is not a good buy??? my superclocked came at 600mhz/1450mhz default. i can oc gpu to 650 and the memory to 800, giving me 600/1600 or as many of you may know 7900gtx numbers, you ppl just look at stock numbers and ignore everything else, gg.

i guess my 250 was wasted on a card that can hit 7900gtx numbers and is twice as quiet. oh ****, you're right, i should have spent $400+ on this card, then it would have been worth it, silly me

and it's not just me that have hit these numbers, i saw a review where they hit 660/1650 and i was blown away. but plz feel free in the future to bash ppl's cards based on THG's review that this card is worse than the 1900xt, which also costs more then $50 - $75 more only to achieve similar numbers at DEFAULT 7950GT speeds of 550/1400, nevertheless, bashing cards you know nothing or little about is pure genius

this card came out so late in the game that there are few proper reviews of it's potential, because every site is far too concerned with g80 to properly review a card worth acknowledging.

[zer0]

we need to consider also the time when latest games(excellent) are released....

around oct/nov/dec.

both companies needs to deliver to the public their new videocards on or before oct/nov/dec.

[Daneel Olivaw]

why does everyone keep saying the 7950gt is not a good buy??? my superclocked came at 600mhz/1450mhz default. i can oc gpu to 650 and the memory to 800, giving me 600/1600 or as many of you may know 7900gtx numbers, you ppl just look at stock numbers and ignore everything else, gg.

i guess my 250 was wasted on a card that can hit 7900gtx numbers and is twice as quiet. oh ****, you're right, i should have spent $400+ on this card, then it would have been worth it, silly me

and it's not just me that have hit these numbers, i saw a review where they hit 660/1650 and i was blown away. but plz feel free in the future to bash ppl's cards based on THG's review that this card is worse than the 1900xt, which also costs more then $50 - $75 more only to achieve similar numbers at DEFAULT 7950GT speeds of 550/1400, nevertheless, bashing cards you know nothing or little about is pure genius

this card came out so late in the game that there are few proper reviews of it's potential, because every site is far too concerned with g80 to properly review a card worth acknowledging.
Compared to a 7900gs or 7900gto then.

[bordewisser]

Nvidia rules and are ruling again.....that's a statement of verifiable FACT.

Correction. A subjective opinion

[Imbroglio]

Compared to a 7900gs or 7900gto then.

well compared to a 7900gs, at default clocks the gs will give you more for your money. as for the 7900gto, this thing is a beast and was one of if not the best midrange cards to be produced, yet they are/were in such short supply that you can't find them anywhere anymore, i kind of got the feeling as if the 7950gt was launched to compensate for the lack of 7900gto's, but that is how i feel, not necessarily the truth. because the gto has the same core clock as the 7900gtx but the memory is clocked at 660, yielding 1320mhz. where as the 7950gt (superclocked) core is at 600, and the memory is at 725, yielding 1450mhz, where as the 7900gtx core is 650 with 800 memory yielding 1600mhz. so the superclocked gt in a way seems like they are cores that didn't quite cut the 7900gtx lines, while many of them can still reach the speeds. another thing that makes me think the 7950gt kind of replaced the gto is the fact that they are priced the same, kind of making up for the shortage of the 7900gto's. :)

[Sazar]

Hilarious response, thanks.
FYI, I deliberately left out the 6800U cause it was a problem parent, but it's teenagers were fine, ie, 6800GT, 6800NU.....furthermore, winning vapourware GPU shootouts don't count, IOW, if I can't buy/afford it, then it's garbage.

Nvidi'a trump cards were the 6800GT, 6800NU, 6600GT, SLI, price, and availability aka a clean sweep or kickass result for Green.

I bash all crappy products, and that's why I excused the X800XL, HISX850XT, X800GT 256/X800GTO/GTO2/1950XTX/1950pro....however, most of these products were late to market and weren't price segment winners, especially with SLI.

I'm not interested in being anyone's tech bunny, ie Quadcore{unless prices drop}, so you're welcome to your so-called advanced but under utilized tech advantage.

Nvidia rules and are ruling again.....that's a statement of verifiable FACT.

Right then.

Perhaps you should consider revising the thread title to "let me talk about the cards I choose and make my assumptions and state them as fact (opinion) and everyone has to automatically know exactly what I was talking about"

Fanboy's come in many guises. Unlike most of the others, you're not even entertaining.

/ignore

[MustangSVT]

There's a lot of fanboy bias in this thread. I had a 6800GT myself and to call the 6800 series dominating over the X800 series is an overstatement. The X800XT was a better than the 6800 Ultra, and the X800 Pro VIVO provided good competition to the 6800GT. When I got my 6800GT, here in Canada the X800Pro VIVO hapenned to a bit more at a time and I didn't feel quite ready to go ATI yet. It's not like 6800GT trumped the X800XL or X800Pro VIVO by any means.. They're about equal with the X800 Pro VIVO better in some cases.

And when I bought my X1900XT about 2 months ago, 7900GTO and 7950GT weren't available here (the 7950GT is now, but it's same as I paid for my X1900XT so not really worth it). I paid like $370 for my X1900XT, the 7900GTX was like $500cad and the 7950GX2 was like $650cad. Oh yea, nVIDIA is sooo great. Puh leaze, give me a break. And at the moment, 7900GTO may be good, but you fail to mention that the X1900XT is like what $250 nowadays?

[Imbroglio]

before my recent purchase of my 7950gt i was actually looking into buying a 1900xt 512, but the fact that they are in demand as great mid-range cards here in the states, there is limited availability and some price gouging, as even though the msrp is 249, most prices i have seen tend to be in the mid-300's and some venturing into the 400's, so i decided to go with a card that offered similar performance yet was actually at/below the msrp. i paid 249 for my 7950gt ko superclocked on a super sale, regular price 289, and the closest price for a 1900xt i could find was for 325 and that was for the 256 version, and that wasn't even instock. that's the reason i didn't join the red team this time around... but as far as the r600, that might be a different story :D

and for you stating that the x1900xt is 250, could you plz supply a link, cause i did an ample search and every card was $100 if not more than that price

[RupertBanana]

Yep, there's no better value than the 7950GT.
Also, do I have to remind people how LOUD the 850XT-1800XT-1900XT are?
Part of the reason the 1950XTX is so good is that they've finally, finally put a proper cooler on their high end cards.....gee only took the best part of 3yrs.

During the dates specified in this thread, ATI has released phantom product after phantom product, subsequently has been late to market all the time{with the exception of the 12{lol} pipeX800pro vs the 16 pipe 6800GT}, and have consistently failed to produce a quality cooler.

HIS are now famous because of ATI's **** up's WRT coolers.

So let's look at it from this perspective....let's name the great cards from 04-06...ie, they must be effective in all areas...noise, heat and power.

04....we had the king, the 6800GT.
We also had the market favourite the 6600GT.
If we factor in price, the 6800NU gives the over-priced X800pro the ass as well, ie, 6800 was about $500AUD, 800pro opened at $800+.

05...7800GTX 256, 7800GT and the 7800GTX 512......is anyone going to nominate the the X1800XL as a great card....was it affordable and powerful....er...NO on both counts.....there's no need for me to rub it in about the 1800XT, haahhahaha.

06.....7900GTX 512, 7900GT, 7950GX2, 7600GT, 7950GT....WOW, and now the 8800's.

ATI finally produced the 1900XTX and the 1950pro.....so that's 13 cards from Nvidia to ATI's 2, and those 2 are 06 entries, with the 1950pro being a Q3 entry.....Houston we have a problem.

Now sure, I don't expect that ATI will disappear, especially as people don't seem that demanding and will tolerate almost anything, including a vacuum cleaner series of high-end cards.

My point is this, Nvidia has DOMINATED and is continuing to DOMINATE, and ATI's deftly silence is testimony to the likely fact that they simply don't have answers to the Green teams DOMINANCE.

In tennis it's game, set and match, in cricket it's "howzatttttt", and in my mind, Nvidia has hit ATI off the court and out the park and are still doing it.

In all seriousness, I'm fascinated why anyone would support ATI considering everything I've said is accurate.

[glObalist]

Yep, there's no better value than the 7950GT.
Also, do I have to remind people how LOUD the 850XT-1800XT-1900XT are?
Part of the reason the 1950XTX is so good is that they've finally, finally put a proper cooler on their high end cards.....gee only took the best part of 3yrs.

During the dates specified in this thread, ATI has released phantom product after phantom product, subsequently has been late to market all the time{with the exception of the 12{lol} pipeX800pro vs the 16 pipe 6800GT}, and have consistently failed to produce a quality cooler.

HIS are now famous because of ATI's **** up's WRT coolers.

So let's look at it from this perspective....let's name the great cards from 04-06...ie, they must be effective in all areas...noise, heat and power.

04....we had the king, the 6800GT.
We also had the market favourite the 6600GT.
If we factor in price, the 6800NU gives the over-priced X800pro the ass as well, ie, 6800 was about $500AUD, 800pro opened at $800+.

05...7800GTX 256, 7800GT and the 7800GTX 512......is anyone going to nominate the the X1800XL as a great card....was it affordable and powerful....er...NO on both counts.....there's no need for me to rub it in about the 1800XT, haahhahaha.

06.....7900GTX 512, 7900GT, 7950GX2, 7600GT, 7950GT....WOW, and now the 8800's.

ATI finally produced the 1900XTX and the 1950pro.....so that's 13 cards from Nvidia to ATI's 2, and those 2 are 06 entries, with the 1950pro being a Q3 entry.....Houston we have a problem.

Now sure, I don't expect that ATI will disappear, especially as people don't seem that demanding and will tolerate almost anything, including a vacuum cleaner series of high-end cards.

My point is this, Nvidia has DOMINATED and is continuing to DOMINATE, and ATI's deftly silence is testimony to the likely fact that they simply don't have answers to the Green teams DOMINANCE.

In tennis it's game, set and match, in cricket it's "howzatttttt", and in my mind, Nvidia has hit ATI off the court and out the park and are still doing it.

In all seriousness, I'm fascinated why anyone would support ATI considering everything I've said is accurate.

Nways, I bet you can play Far Cry even better on ATI hardware. Nd that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

God, this guy IS amusing :D

[saturnotaku]

In all seriousness, I'm fascinated why anyone would support ATI considering everything I've said is accurate.

Everything you've said is fanboy drivel, now go crawl back under the rock you sprung from.

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