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garikfox

11-08-06, 01:00 PM

http://windowsvistablog.com/Default.aspx

Phyxion

11-08-06, 01:31 PM

You beated me, I wanted to post it :) But nice to see Vista finally RTM :)

LOL @ Neowin:
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:)

Seems their servers are not up to RTM :)

jAkUp

11-08-06, 04:05 PM

yay :D

Redeemed

11-08-06, 07:31 PM

Great news. Any chance we'll be able to purchase OEM versions?

grey_1

11-09-06, 05:05 AM

Great news. Any chance we'll be able to purchase OEM versions?
It's very n00bish, but I'm waiting til I can get retail. Brand new OS, I want Full MS support should something get hosed.

|JuiceZ|

11-09-06, 08:37 AM

It's very n00bish, but I'm waiting til I can get retail. Brand new OS, I want Full MS support should something get hosed.

tryin to play it safe eh? :D

nekrosoft13

11-09-06, 08:55 AM

doesn't ms charge $25 for tech support?

Daydre@m

11-09-06, 11:40 AM

doesn't ms charge $25 for tech support?
If so, better donate 'em to charity to get something good out of your money :D

nekrosoft13

11-09-06, 12:54 PM

i remember i had to call MS once, first time it was free, and i was told that after this they will charge $25 per case

six_storm

11-09-06, 01:08 PM

Thus starts the downfall of the computer world . . . or at least I hope not! :D

grey_1

11-09-06, 04:31 PM

tryin to play it safe eh? :D
Yes, yes I am. :D

Thus starts the downfall of the computer world . . . or at least I hope not!

Haven't you noticed the parallel? "Apple" in the garden..."Apple" in the home...:)

grey_1

11-09-06, 04:34 PM

i remember i had to call MS once, first time it was free, and i was told that after this they will charge $25 per case
I'd have to read up on it. I have 5 copies of oem xp and one retail, I had 3 (iirc) support calls for free. Not alot, but hopefully between google and you kind folks, more won't be needed. :)

K007

11-09-06, 08:52 PM

mr.gates donates alot of cash..

Rakeesh

11-10-06, 05:27 AM

I am waiting for a free copy of vista ultimate from intel...wonder when they are gonna ship it?

nekrosoft13

11-10-06, 09:08 AM

I'd have to read up on it. I have 5 copies of oem xp and one retail, I had 3 (iirc) support calls for free. Not alot, but hopefully between google and you kind folks, more won't be needed. :)

i called them once, it was the weirdest issue, after 2 months of troubleshooting no one was able to fix it

i had to reinstall windows again

windows messenger, msn messenger, when ever sending files skipped the first 20-25% of the file, resulting in every file to be corrupt upon receipt.

over the 2 month time-frame with MS from all levels, they asked me to try everything, send me about 5 special builds of messenger, worked with intel, and realtek on drivers. MS even send a nic card (which i later had to return) nothing was able to fix it.

flukester

11-10-06, 11:31 AM

Phyxion

11-10-06, 12:01 PM

There is more new stuff in Vista, investigate a bit more in Vista, and you will notice MUCH and MUCH more differences.

flukester

11-10-06, 12:39 PM

There is more new stuff in Vista, investigate a bit more in Vista, and you will notice MUCH and MUCH more differences.

Been beta testing it since the start FnFGoT, I actually pay to do this, doh! I voluntarily left after RC1 and cancelled my membership.

Sorry, as I see I'm of a minority, I don't see anything that is worth my time in Vista. I am definitely more than happy to stay on XP. The only difference I noted is bloated gui garbage that impedes your efficiency more than anything and a huge amount of exagerated security prompts.

Scrap the lousy unimaginative GUI inluding the lame floating bar
Scrap the lame million and one prompts
Put back the simple and easy to use Networking config
Put back in the things that were there at the start that they removed

Then I see a decent OS.

Right now I see a disaster zone for any new Vista users.

I see Vista as an OS that will scare people away, rather than attract em.

:nono:

einstein_314

11-10-06, 12:40 PM

$300 for Ultimate? LMFAO! M$ truly is smoking something!

I see no point in Vis(t)a what so ever after testing it for months, now nuked. If gaming is sticking with DX9 I see even less reason to even conceive of getting Vista. DX10 offers no new features, just enhancements and optimizations. GUI is bloated even more than it was and there's a LOT more annoying prompts. More services to kill, more memory used. Peee U!

I have usually upgraded shortly after each new release but with Vista I'm making an exception. I don't see a point at all in it. Even if I got it free, I don't care to run it until I am forced too, which wont be for a long time.
See, this is the thing that gets me. Everyone complains that windows isn't secure enough. And then, when they make it secure, everyone complains that it's too secure. "I have to click too many prompts". It may have more services, and use more ram. But it runs faster than XP (for me anyways). It is way better at managing memory. I'm going to be running Vista Ultimate for sure.

Anyone know how much the OEM version is going to cost? Or is that the $300?

flukester

11-10-06, 01:20 PM

See, this is the thing that gets me. Everyone complains that windows isn't secure enough. And then, when they make it secure, everyone complains that it's too secure. "I have to click too many prompts". It may have more services, and use more ram. But it runs faster than XP (for me anyways). It is way better at managing memory. I'm going to be running Vista Ultimate for sure.

Anyone know how much the OEM version is going to cost? Or is that the $300?

Now you've irked me. Before you tell us it's faster, how about saying what you are running and what you went from? Then maybe I could actually believe part of what you are saying.

Windows XP has always been secure and has 'never' failed any security sweep, port sweep or bot sweep scan, but then you need to know what you are doing and how to use your OS. Do you know how many people don't even know how to use IP Security policy to block ping in XP? Ping is allowed by default in XP. Who's fault is that? M$. Correct me if I am wrong, but I even believe Vista allows ping by default. Secure? Huh...In my security testing my XP box faired better than Vista.

It's said that 8/10 MCSE don't even know how to block ping on Windows XP. Did you know that? When I showed one 85K paid MCSE how to do it, he said and I quote. "***** I didn't even know you could do that." How many people went out and bought a Router just to block ping? How many got a 3rd party firewall?

If anything, Vista is made for dummies imo, but not in the right way and not with the proper thinking. They went overdose on the GUI so people could go ga-ga and not realize all that gui bloats and slows downs your PC and your applications will suffer. Why do you think in XP they allowed the, disable visual themes? There are no official Vista apps yet. You wait and watch.

I'd really like to see proof on how Vista manages memory better. What did they do to do that? i didn't see any noticeable memory usage/cleanup when I tested. What did you test with to come to that conclusion, maybe I didn't use the right Test suites...Yeah, perhaps M$ went to the tweak sites so they could learn how to tweak their own OS...Gawd. Or maybe they took out those 15-30min application termination timeouts?

Either way, to each his own really. I don't want to fight with you. I just think Vista is a bloated gimmick and the fact lots of paying subscribers/testers walked out on the beta proves it. Of course you didn't read about that in the papers and stuff huh? It's a good part of the reason they opened it to the public as much as they did. Which they "weren't" going to do at the start.

I told M$ to shove it with Vista. My establishment has zero expectation to go to Vista anytime soon and so is the case with many other companies. I expect them to kiss my hairy behind and send me free copies just like they did with Windows 2K > XP Pro editions.

Vista = Gamers OS?.. yeah.. guess if there is someone to swallow that shiat, why not eh? Couldn't be because they actually finally fixed DX9 calling it DX10. Didn't anyone clue into the fact DX10 offers nothing new? It's bug fixes and supposed optimizations that's all it is. Call it DX9.0d...whatever.

einstein_314

11-10-06, 01:57 PM

Now you've irked me. Before you tell us it's faster, how about saying what you are running and what you went from? Then maybe I could actually believe part of what you are saying.

Well, I'm running it on both rigs in my sig. And was previously running XP Pro on the same rigs. It is noticably faster. It's a lot more snappy. Quick to respond. But these are mearly my observations. I have no proof to show you.

Windows XP has always been secure and has 'never' failed any security sweep, port sweep or bot sweep scan, but then you need to know what you are doing and how to use your OS. Do you know how many people don't even know how to use IP Security policy to block ping in XP? Ping is allowed by default in XP. Who's fault is that? M$. Correct me if I am wrong, but I even believe Vista allows ping by default. Secure? Huh...In my security testing my XP box faired better than Vista.

It's said that 8/10 MCSE don't even know how to block ping on Windows XP. Did you know that? When I showed one 85K paid MCSE how to do it, he said and I quote. "***** I didn't even know you could do that." How many people went out and bought a Router just to block ping? How many got a 3rd party firewall?

Well from what I've read, Vista is way more secure. The reason you get all the 'annoying' popups is to prevent applications from taking over your computer. An administrator has to allow any application to modify the core of the OS. I'm no expert on this matter as I'm just re-iterating what I've read. Maybe for you it's no more secure because you obviously know the ins and outs of XP. But for 99.9% of users out there, it is way more secure.

If anything, Vista is made for dummies imo, but not in the right way and not with the proper thinking. They went overdose on the GUI so people could go ga-ga and not realize all that gui bloats and slows downs your PC and your applications will suffer. Why do you think in XP they allowed the, disable visual themes? There are no official Vista apps yet. You wait and watch.

People want their OS to look nice. And they want it to be easy to use. As I said before, the GUI doesn't slow down my computer at all. In fact, it runs faster than XP ever did. I suspect this has something to do with the GPU doing the GUI rather than the CPU. I'll also point out that my laptop, with it's integrated intel graphics, is also quite a bit snappier. I was expecting it to bog down and be slow. But no, it's quite responsive. But that could be the core duo too...

And what do you mean by "Why do you think in XP they allowed the, disable visual themes?". You can disable the themes in Vista too...if that's what you mean...not sure what you mean though...

I'd really like to see proof on how Vista manages memory better. What did they do to do that? i didn't see any noticeable memory usage/cleanup when I tested. What did you test with to come to that conclusion, maybe I didn't use the right Test suites...Yeah, perhaps M$ went to the tweak sites so they could learn how to tweak their own OS...Gawd. Or maybe they took out those 15-30min application termination timeouts?

I watched this interview (http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=242429) and have read numerous articles on the subject (just search SuperFetch). Again, I didn't actually test the memory management. But from what I've read/watched, it is way superior to XPs memory management.

Either way, to each his own really. I don't want to fight with you. I just think Vista is a bloated gimmick and the fact lots of paying subscribers/testers walked out on the beta proves it. Of course you didn't read about that in the papers and stuff huh? It's a good part of the reason they opened it to the public as much as they did. Which they "weren't" going to do at the start.

And I don't want to fight with you either. Just saying my opinions/thoughts. I'm curious about these paying subscribers/beta testers that walked out of the beta....why would they do that...and when did they do this?

Wasn't there a beta/RC1 for WinXP too? I thought there was...But I will say that I was suprised about how open M$ has been with the Betas/RCs.

Vista = Gamers OS?.. yeah.. guess if there is someone to swallow that shiat, why not eh? Couldn't be because they actually finally fixed DX9 calling it DX10. Didn't anyone clue into the fact DX10 offers nothing new? It's bug fixes and supposed optimizations that's all it is. Call it DX9.0d...whatever.

Well, if it runs faster than XP, I'm all for it. And I"m sure the majority of gamers out there agree. Maybe DX10 doesn't offer anything new, maybe it does. But from my understanding (again, from stuff I've read) it has a lot of significant changes to the way things are done.

K007

11-10-06, 08:22 PM

Dont like it..dont use it. Make a thread about "I hate Vista..join me guys"

I will be using Vista for sure when its out.

Zelda_fan

11-14-06, 08:49 PM

jAkUp

11-15-06, 02:16 AM

Scrap the lame million and one prompts

It is so easy to turn off UAC it is not even worth complaining about.

And DX10 brings nothing new? The Geometry shader is one of the biggest changes to hit DirectX. It offers significant advances in the way geometry is created on the GPU, which means lower CPU ulitization, more instructions, better effeciency, etc.

The ability to take an object, and modify properties on the GPU, rather than streaming it out to the CPU, then back in, means we get more detail on objects, and more unique objects. Among that, lower CPU utilization.

j0j081

11-15-06, 05:12 AM

flukester obviously has no idea what he's talking about.