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[GlowStick]

in their ad for pc gamer they have the big geforce fx 'get it now' thingey

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Awwww,..come on DW,..you can do better than that.

Hmmm...sort of like buying a Ferrari, sans the transmission. Expensive, sounds mean, revs up loud,...but won't go anywhere. :D

Sorry,...I think DW is rubbin off on me.
you really know your cars ! NOT

[Skuzzy]

Actually, I know my cars very well. Ever seen a Ferrari run without a transmission?

The 360 Modena has a sound level of 77dB on the inside when the engine reaches redline of 8500rpm. Without a transmission it is pretty much as I described it.

If you have contridictory information, I would like to hear it. I pride myself in my knowledge of cars. My family owns an auto parts store, so most of my information came through helping there when I was growing up.

Besides,..it was joke...har har,...get it.

[kyleb]

ya i am not sure why borntosoul is talking about at all. :confused:

[Skuzzy]

I seem to have that effect on people. I dunno why. Seems every post I make draws a bad response, even when it is a joke.

Maybe I should not have used the word 'sans' in the post. Didn't think about it at the time though.

[rwolf]

Originally posted by Woodelf
It's all about the PR........

http://www.nvidia.com/content/areyouready/twimtbp.html

I remember Carmack making that comment before the FX even taped out.

[rwolf]

Originally posted by GlowStick

Alienware has recently abandonded the Radeon 9700pro

Funny, it is featured at this moment on ATI's website. Obviously you are a person who KNOWs what your talking about.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by rwolf
Funny, it is featured at this moment on ATI's website. Obviously you are a person who KNOWs what your talking about.

Funny on alienwares website they feature the Geforce FX :O
But ATI knows what alienware is doing better than Alienware them selves.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by GlowStick
Trying to enter the intel market would be hard, INTEL ran VIA out of the market, i assure they would do the same to anyone else that trys to enter :O

i'm not sure if you're joking or not.

but first of all it's VIA we're talking about. they have a bad rep.

second of all they never had a P4 bus license, so that's another thing that really hurt them.

[Dazz]

Originally posted by tazdevl
Two completely differenct situations and if anyone has looked at nVIDIA's balance sheet, they have plenty of cash on hand to weather bumps in the road for quite some time. Not to mention that nVIDIA's revenue risk is mitigated quite a bit since they aren't solely dependent on one type of product.
Nvidia's shares are down and they lost a major lanch partner MSI to their arch rival ATi, so they loose about $30 million which MSI brought in last year.

[Woodelf]

I had the opinion that carmack had the fx, and was basing his praise on that. But now, hasn't he decided to optimize D3 for both
fx and 9700's?. I'm not quoting word's here.
And has anyone seen a photo of carmack on ATI's site.
Perhaps He had a better card to code with prior to the paper
launch, from that which what will be avil. to us. Or maybe, the fx does only need to have it's drivers tweaked. I am 100% sure that the performance will increase with driver updates. How much is the question. Just remember that most of us thought it would
kick ass prior to the released benches. I still think they have somthing up their sleave, they always have. I just hope that
3dfx wasn't it.

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Actually, I know my cars very well. Ever seen a Ferrari run without a transmission?

The 360 Modena has a sound level of 77dB on the inside when the engine reaches redline of 8500rpm. Without a transmission it is pretty much as I described it.

If you have contridictory information, I would like to hear it. I pride myself in my knowledge of cars. My family owns an auto parts store, so most of my information came through helping there when I was growing up.

Besides,..it was joke...har har,...get it.
didnt mean to be offencive ,i didnt read your quote and miss understood you .:o

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
i'm not sure if you're joking or not.

but first of all it's VIA we're talking about. they have a bad rep.

second of all they never had a P4 bus license, so that's another thing that really hurt them.

The whole licence is the problem. That is the most BS. THe only choices you have is Intel or SiS. Sis has a worse rep than VIA.

VIA dosent have a bad rep, were the best 'enthusist' rated untill the nforce2.

the other amd alternatives is Sis and Ali

I had experince with 2 ali boards, they went out in 3 months i was very dissapointed.

Havent tried Sis, but i herd they are makeing alot better chipsets thant hey usto.

[tazdevl]

Originally posted by Dazz
Nvidia's shares are down and they lost a major lanch partner MSI to their arch rival ATi, so they loose about $30 million which MSI brought in last year.

Everyone's shares are down. I think you're reading further into my statement that you should. Simply put, they have other sources of revenue to fund operations. Losing MSI is significant, but it isn't a death blow for the company nor does it signal the end of nVIDIA.

[StealthHawk]

Originally posted by GlowStick
VIA dosent have a bad rep, were the best 'enthusist' rated untill the nforce2.

the because they were the best available doesn't mean they didn't have a bad rep or weren't buggy POS.

VIA has a bad rep, period. and for the most part it's been well deserved. they only started putting out high performance chipsets with the KT266A. but not everything from there has been exactly rosy.

[kyleb]

aww i have been though lots of great via motherboards. just because a few rather vocal people like to badmouth them does not mean they have a bad rep.

does amd have a bad rep becuase a few idoits still sweer that they are lower quality processors?

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
the because they were the best available doesn't mean they didn't have a bad rep or weren't buggy POS.

VIA has a bad rep, period. and for the most part it's been well deserved. they only started putting out high performance chipsets with the KT266A. but not everything from there has been exactly rosy.

Lol, you will allways have people badmouthing a company that has alot of customers. But they usually seem to be fair weather fans.

EG with the Radeon 9700pro, suddenly a bunch of ATI'ers appear. If you try to even joke about ATI haveing a noticeble fanbase. Suddenly have have die hard ATI fans. But it dose works both ways.

[sbp]

Originally posted by GlowStick
VIA dosent have a bad rep, were the best 'enthusist' rated untill the nforce2."Only takes 2 tries to get it right that others do right the first time."

-VIA's motto

[tazdevl]

Originally posted by StealthHawk
the because they were the best available doesn't mean they didn't have a bad rep or weren't buggy POS.

VIA has a bad rep, period. and for the most part it's been well deserved. they only started putting out high performance chipsets with the KT266A. but not everything from there has been exactly rosy.

Like the missing PCI bus parking spec with the KT266/a... and blaming creative (who is still at fault for having buggy drivers).

Via isnt' entirely at fault, mobo manufacturers make the boards, modify the BIOS and in many cases use substandard components. That's kind of like blaming nVIDIA for all the 2D problems when the reference boards had great 2D, but the ODMs cut costs by using subpar components resulting in crappy 2D.

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by tazdevl
Like the missing PCI bus parking spec with the KT266/a... and blaming creative (who is still at fault for having buggy drivers).

Via isnt' entirely at fault, mobo manufacturers make the boards, modify the BIOS and in many cases use substandard components. That's kind of like blaming nVIDIA for all the 2D problems when the reference boards had great 2D, but the ODMs cut costs by using subpar components resulting in crappy 2D.

Creative Cards have allways had HUGE PROBLEMS with SMP systems, they even show up on HT systems.

They have known about it since the Live! but never treid to fix it. Also since LIVE! the dirvers never supported 5.1 sound, witch in a .plan file JC commented on, they lied about it on their boxes for years. I am sure allt he blame was not on VIA fault.