The End ...

[Mod]

Is this the end of Nvidia ? NV35 lauch is getting near and GeForceFX isn't barely release.

[FastM]

The End? I would rather call it a New Beginning

[tazdevl]

What a silly question.

NV35 is still months away, I wouldn't call that near.

To answer your question, of course not and please no parallels to 3dfx, which is probably where this question is coming from.

Two completely differenct situations and if anyone has looked at nVIDIA's balance sheet, they have plenty of cash on hand to weather bumps in the road for quite some time. Not to mention that nVIDIA's revenue risk is mitigated quite a bit since they aren't solely dependent on one type of product.

The whole FX experience, if we ever hear the truth, did one thing. It highlighted the shortcomings of being a fabless semiconductor company. nVIDIA was at the whim of TSMC... and now unless TSMC can get on the ball with low-k, both ATI and nVIDIA will be in a risky situation for the R400 and NV40.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by FastM
The End? I would rather call it a New Beginning

Its a new beginning of paper releases a full cycle ahead of whats actually on the shelves. This week: NV35 "released" ... next week ... NV30 actually on store shelves

[Philibob]

NVIDIA will have to release NV35 pretty soon. R350 been released just after GFFX is available to buy can't be good

[digitalwanderer]

Oh, it'll be here soon...REAL soon....


...are you ready? :p

[Philibob]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Oh, it'll be here soon...REAL soon....


...are you ready? :p
:D :D :D

This should be my first ATI card as well, and my first graphics card upgrade in about 4 years

[tazdevl]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
...are you ready? :p

for more? :lol2:

I'm grabbing an R350 as soon as I can get my hands on one. 8500 just isn't cutting it any more.

[nutball]

Originally posted by Mod
Is this the end of Nvidia ? NV35 lauch is getting near and GeForceFX isn't barely release.

Yeah, absolutely. From what I've heard they're shutting down right now, packing their stuff into boxes and trotting off down the Dole Office to sign on.

Like Microsoft they've come to realise they're totally 0wn3d by the competition, and therefore have decided to stop bothering. I mean why bother? After all?

It's clearly been demonstrated that any company which doesn't rule at the high-end can't possibly survive in the marketplace ( eg. ATi, who have been out of business for years now).

</sarcasm>

[LORD-eX-Bu]

lol, that CEO guy of nVIDIA said they are working on something twice as fast as NV30. I guess that means it will be slightly faster only in certain situations, extremely loud, huge, and will be on par or slower and will be out in a few years in nVIDIA terms:rolleyes:

[Sazar]

Originally posted by [eNv]-LORD-eX-Bu
lol, that CEO guy of nVIDIA said they are working on something twice as fast as NV30. I guess that means it will be slightly faster only in certain situations, extremely loud, huge, and will be on par or slower and will be out in a few years in nVIDIA terms:rolleyes:

OR... :) he might be talking about the upcoming product having 256bit bus instead of 128 bit.. and therefore since he doesn't know jackall other than what his PR peeps tell him... he thinks 2 times as much bandwitdh = 2 times the speed... :D

[Woodelf]

It would be unfourtunate for us gamers if it were the end.
That would leave ATI and Matrox to duke it out, leading to
an ATI price dictatorship. I think it may end up being to our benefit that Nvidia takes a punch on this one. They're strong
enough to recover from this wake up call.
although they do seem to be expanding their market more than I feel they should. Now they are getting into wireless networking. They'll either recover with a good contender, or they may just start focusing more towards the many open avenues in computer technology, as they are. One thing is for sure, They aren't just a video card company anymore. I always had a prediction that there would be an nvidia chip of some form inside TV set's, some day. Maybe I should change it to toasters.
Nforce 2 motherboard's and technologies (IE sound, LAN, IEEE, USB 2.0)are doing good. I think it was a wise move for them to move to .13, even at a loss, but I don't understand the reasoning for the lack of Memory bus, other than that they probably gambled their final product performance poorly. I'll bet they would have optimized their memory bus had they known the final outcome. I don't know why Carmack was hinting the awsome performance too, ( after the paper launch ) Not that I follow carmack that closely.
It's not good for Gaming to have just one company always totally dominate.

[Mod]

<= I am Keanu Reeves. Serious.

[Sazar]

Originally posted by Mod
<= I am Keanu Reeves. Serious.


there is nothing serious about keanu reeves... :)

[suburbanguy]

NV35 will probably end up being here no sooner than Sept.

just in time to get smashed by the R400 :D

[tazdevl]

No R400 or NV40 this year bubba unless TSMC gets it low-k process up.

[GlowStick]

Nvidia is not going out of business from this.

If you read industry reports and crap that reports on this, Nvidia actually gained marketshare. They arent loseing money, but they arent makeing more money. If you get what i mean :O

It seems the graphics market stablied and each company found its own niche, so they will just fight it out, but you will see ATI + Nvidia for along time to come.

[Shinri Hikari]

We shall soon see nVidia's Renaissance.;) Very likely in one or two refresh cycles.:cool: Until then it is a dark age for nVidia.:rolleyes:

[ZoinKs!]

Unless nVidia gets its act together soon, we could see the end of nVidia dominating the 3d marketplace, which is certainly a good thing. But the end of nVidia completely? Not likely, which certainly is also a good thing.

[ZoinKs!]

Originally posted by Woodelf
I don't know why Carmack was hinting the awsome performance too, ( after the paper launch ) Not that I follow carmack that closely. Carmack didn't hint anything about nv30 performance after the November paper launch. He had hinted some things about nv30 a year ago, before he saw what the r300 could do. In a typical move by nVidia PR, they trotted out his several months out of date comments as if they were brand new. Their goal was to fool people, and it worked for some.

[gemini1313]

nvidia is still the best.

so what if their product is a little late, they are still dominating, only us people who spend our whole lives digging up info on upcoming vid cards and hardware in the community know that the 9700 is better in a couple of benchmarks and has been out a few months.

regular people dont know **** about this and nvidias market share is stomping ati's and they are also in control of a few more markets that will be very hard for ati to get into.

r300 is good, but nvidia did raise the bar in computing power with the nv30, and the fact that it can keep up and win on some but not all of the benchmarks with a 128bit bus is pretty impressive.

btw r400 will nowhere near be in time for 2003.

nv35 should be pretty impressive as well.
if u think about it the nv30's little processing units and pretty much programmable vpu is very nice and could scale very well, whereas the r300 cant really scale that well right now.

i hope that nv35 brings us the real 8*1*1 or 8*2 or what not and a 256bit bus, the core speed of the ultra was very nice when we all saw the slide shows remember. they were shooting for 400 an unheard of number in the graphics industry and it turned out to be 500 instead:)

nv30 is just the start of something great and gf4 is still running counter-strike pretty well for me. There aren't that many games out there right now that can take advantage of the r300 and nv30's features todate.

wow im really jacked up it feels like im sitting upside down. :)
anways i cant remember what i was getting at,

I LOVE NVIDIA
lata jiggas

[borntosoul]

Originally posted by Sazar
OR... :) he might be talking about the upcoming product having 256bit bus instead of 128 bit.. and therefore since he doesn't know jackall other than what his PR peeps tell him... he thinks 2 times as much bandwitdh = 2 times the speed... :D
im sure he knows much more than you do about graphics cards

[Uttar]

nVidia's NV35 will give them back the performance crown. For a *short* while.
The NV40 will put them fully back on track, however.

And no one says "Yeah, but will they still be alive for that?" , PLEASE. nVidia got $1B in cash, damnit! If 3DFX had that much when they announced the VSA-100, they might still be here today even if they didn't release any new product! ...


Uttar

[GlowStick]

Yes, i agree, everon is compareing this to 3dfx vs Nvidia

but its more a repeate of Intel vs AMD. AMD caught intel off guard with their crapp P4, then they pumped out the northwood, and then pumped out really fast clockspeeds faster than amd could keep up with. Also the P4 is an overclockers delight, because my 2.53ghz p4 easily goes to 3ghz (with swiftech mcx-4000) a 40$ part.

the 1.8(533 bus) has been taken to 2.8ghz with the same cooler.
AMD has a great prodcut, just intel started to push back and pritty much won. Since both amd and intel has pritty much reached their clock celings now its a race for their next processor to come out. ONly way to see what will happen is to watch!

[tazdevl]

Originally posted by gemini1313
regular people dont know **** about this and nvidias market share is stomping ati's and they are also in control of a few more markets that will be very hard for ati to get into.


Well I just read a Merril Lynch report dated January 2003 report that says something quite different. Only place nVIDIA is dominating is in the desktop space. They have gained some share in mobile, but nothing major. Integrated is owned by Intel.

By the time we see any NV30s, the 9700 will have been out for nearly 8 months. Pretty sad that nVIDIA's latest and greatest maintains par, then in 4 weeks we'll have the R350 which will be significantly faster than the FX.

By the way, I call them like I see them. If ATI messed up I'd be all over them too. We marketers love folks like you.

Doubling the bus and moving to a 8X1 will not double the speed of the NV35.