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retsam
12-12-06, 03:09 PM
Hey Nerds, I decided to make this my first post after reading to much crap from people who I will leave nameless. This is about the R700 chip that ATi will release. Let me say that I am waiting for this video card for my next computer build. So... if god is willing, I hopefully will be getting this some time this summer.

Ok, now for the fun part. Lets chat about the G80 chip for a second. My first statement will be that this chip is great, for a DX10. Now lets talk about benchmarks. I will repost when I get home and re-find where I got my benchmarks from. The ATi X1950xtx has better fps then the all powerful 8800GTX. Its as simple as that. And I am not talking like 3-5 fps I am saying about 30-50 faster. So when whats his face who wants to be an IT department said that ATi has bad quality products. He should do some research before he talks about anything. Ok.. that being said, When we look at the actual fps both the 8800GTX and the X1950xtx are way above what we can see. We cant see faster then 60 fps. Since both of these cards are well over 100 fps, it won't matter when we are shooting up our friends, or playing wow(which I hate that game with a passion).

Now about the topic. The R700! I can not wait for this card. Multi GPU, ATi has stated that they are going after the physics market, whats not to like? With the R700, it will allow this. ATi has even hinted at the R600 capable of physics processing. It is only smarter for ATi (who made the big stink about DX10, Not Nvidia) to do the multi cores. They will be able to save power by shutting down cores when not needed, which also will save on heat. Less heat = better performance. Also it will have at least GDDR4 ram on it. And hate to break it to you guy who has been in computers for more then 8 years (which you should take you floppy out or its drive, your computer has filed rape at least half a dozen times) but that is going to push ATi farther past Nvidia. Even the X1950XTX has GDDR4 RAM on it.

Last piece from me at this time. ATi has great quality products. And when it comes to which video card company is better then another, it depends what your application is. If you want a card that is out-of-the-box ready to go and has limited functionality to manipulating that card, then by all means go for the Nvidia. They will let you change some settings so you can play games with good quality and not have to many problems. But if you want a card that is great out of the box and is easy to plug and play and allows you to tweak the hell out of it then get the ATi. They will allow you to do way more to them and wont fuss at all. But it comes right down to who do you want? Who do you prefer? Nobody can tell you who is better then who. That is for you to decide.




I'm looking over your shoulder, only because I got your back.
(nana2)
wow, ati viral marketer?....man you are one dumb mother****er...

v3rninater
12-12-06, 04:15 PM
Howdy yall, about all this speculation about what people think is going to be the next-next grfx chip from ati. Here's a tip, wait for the R600, it's not even out yet, nor are the official specs for that sucker.

So in all honesty, how in the world is the NEXT chip after that have any chance of being a factual, worth arguing about, information?

If it's the truth which is probably 5% chance (if that) of being 100% correct. It does sound pretty sweet and quite possibly a great idea of where technology is going. Smaller/faster/quiet-er/better....soo yay for ati, yay for the CUSTOMER!!!

I like hearing companies compete for the customer cause that means better stuff for less!

spaztic7
12-12-06, 08:59 PM
Like I said here is the website (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=215)that I saw the X1950XTX beating the 8800 GTX. After looking at some more research, I am correcting myself, but the 8800 GTX is better most of the time. If you are going to put me into a position right now to buy a card on the market, there is no question that I will go with Nvidia. I love my 7800GS (thats right I am still on 8x.... but you can't have everything when you are in College). But after I heard what ATi "should" be releasing, I am willing to wait for that card then buying the 8800GTX. Since this is a R700 info forum. I believe that if you want to hear about the R700 chip then here is a great place to exchange information. If you are stuck in a world where you don't want to open your mind to other possibilities then just stay in your world. I am not trying to piss off people other then the ones who have said this blatantly wrong.

Saying that, I am pissed at myself for not looking a bit more. I felt that me doing about a weeks worth of research would have told me enough. It did tell me to buy this card if it is the best. It also told me to wait because there are going to be better cards on the market.

Hopefully if ATi... AMD/ATi can keep their word and release the R600 on time we will be able to see later this month if the 8800 GTX is still the champ or if the R600 will take the title. It will be a full DX10(R600) vs. a high-bred DX9/10 (8800GTX).

So for those who don't like what I said, now you can see where I based some of my information from. I am sorry that I exaggerated on the FPS. Next time when I am posting I will triple check my numbers.

Bman212121
12-12-06, 11:12 PM
Like I said here is the website (http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=215)that I saw the X1950XTX beating the 8800 GTX. After looking at some more research, I am correcting myself, but the 8800 GTX is better most of the time. If you are going to put me into a position right now to buy a card on the market, there is no question that I will go with Nvidia. I love my 7800GS (thats right I am still on 8x.... but you can't have everything when you are in College). But after I heard what ATi "should" be releasing, I am willing to wait for that card then buying the 8800GTX. Since this is a R700 info forum. I believe that if you want to hear about the R700 chip then here is a great place to exchange information. If you are stuck in a world where you don't want to open your mind to other possibilities then just stay in your world. I am not trying to piss off people other then the ones who have said this blatantly wrong.

Saying that, I am pissed at myself for not looking a bit more. I felt that me doing about a weeks worth of research would have told me enough. It did tell me to buy this card if it is the best. It also told me to wait because there are going to be better cards on the market.

Hopefully if ATi... AMD/ATi can keep their word and release the R600 on time we will be able to see later this month if the 8800 GTX is still the champ or if the R600 will take the title. It will be a full DX10(R600) vs. a high-bred DX9/10 (8800GTX).

So for those who don't like what I said, now you can see where I based some of my information from. I am sorry that I exaggerated on the FPS. Next time when I am posting I will triple check my numbers.

Just so you know, that isn't a single ATI card. That is 2, YES 2, of ATI's fastest cards barely beating out a single GTX in one game. A single GTX will seriously beat the living **** out of a single 1950, and can beat 2 of em in crossfire. Same source, look at the sinlge card owning a dual card setup. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=219

The only time a 1950 can even compare to a 8800gtx is when the cards are cpu bound, like in this case. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=203

I'm probably coming off a little harsh, I'm sorry for that, but your kinda missing some information.

nekrosoft13
12-13-06, 08:47 AM
Hopefully if ATi... AMD/ATi can keep their word and release the R600 on time we will be able to see later this month if the 8800 GTX is still the champ or if the R600 will take the title. It will be a full DX10(R600) vs. a high-bred DX9/10 (8800GTX).



"high-bred DX9/10"

i still can't believe there are people this stupid

Tigerj
12-13-06, 08:55 AM
Just so you know, that isn't a single ATI card. That is 2, YES 2, of ATI's fastest cards barely beating out a single GTX in one game. A single GTX will seriously beat the living **** out of a single 1950, and can beat 2 of em in crossfire. Same source, look at the sinlge card owning a dual card setup. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=219

The only time a 1950 can even compare to a 8800gtx is when the cards are cpu bound, like in this case. http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=606&model2=585&chart=203

I'm probably coming off a little harsh, I'm sorry for that, but your kinda missing some information.

I was going to say, the guy states he did his research for a week. Looks like he didn't research well enough. Also to research on the R700 and say I am waiting for this card when the R600 isn't even out yet. By the time R700 is even out, Nvidia will have a new set of cards and it is also rumor that Nvidia will be taking this line also as ATI and were in fact looking at it before ATI was. Just I believe ATI brought it out into the open first about it, correct me if I am wrong here.

Though I don't think you can always trust what sites say. Here is one part I don't understand, though I will admit I didn't read from start to finish, just kinda paraphrased it...

Nov. 8th Fear - http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/08/geforce_8800/page8.html

Nov. 29th Fear - http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/11/29/geforce_8800_needs_the_fastest_cpu/page6.html

Duh, ok I see the difference now, I overlooked it. One is on the FX-60 and the later in on the Intel Conroe.

Look at the score differences now when you change to a better CPU. If you look at the Doom Scores on the Nov. 8th you see the ATI just edge out in 1024X768 and as you go higher up in resolution you can see it is CPU bound. But look at the Conroe now, crushes it.

Maybe this is what spaztic7 was seeing and didn't see the real deal. spaztic7, you may have to go back to high school as college isn't cutting it for ya. Did you just read one site on stats? :D

hemmy
12-15-06, 04:27 PM
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NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR THINK ANYTHING ON TOMSHARDWARE.COM IS REPUTABLE

Oh yeah, although very late, the x-bit labs review is up http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gf8800-games.html