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GlowStick
02-28-03, 06:00 PM
Wow, after seeing their nw PR about their 7db max. I gotta say
Dam those Radeons are dust busters sooo loud i mean geeze. ;D
Its all fair play now :D
Anyways, i picture the gainwards cooler to be like a GIANT zalman, or TT model everon showed, with some fans blowing on it.
Im a little dissapointed that the Golden Sample comes with all that extra crap. Unless that sound card uses the nvidia sound chip :D :D :D
Meanwhile, where do you think this 5 to 15% is comming from? drivers?
I'm sure you won't see a 15% overall performance. Maybe in some instances.
Drivers...maybe :)
GlowStick
02-28-03, 06:32 PM
If my euros to USD is correct, its still a bit pricey, but what the hey, its an Nvidia product :D
you ever seen a 7db fan that is even worthy of being called a fan? i am realy curious as to what ganward thinks it is going to be able to do.
gokickrocks
03-01-03, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by GlowStick
Wow, after seeing their nw PR about their 7db max. I gotta say
Dam those Radeons are dust busters sooo loud i mean geeze. ;D
Its all fair play now :D
Anyways, i picture the gainwards cooler to be like a GIANT zalman, or TT model everon showed, with some fans blowing on it.
Im a little dissapointed that the Golden Sample comes with all that extra crap. Unless that sound card uses the nvidia sound chip :D :D :D
Meanwhile, where do you think this 5 to 15% is comming from? drivers?
saphire now sells fanless 9500/9700s with their version of the zalman heatsink/pipe
GlowStick
03-01-03, 03:28 AM
Originally posted by gokickrocks
saphire now sells fanless 9500/9700s with their version of the zalman heatsink/pipe
Hehe :P
BTW they sell the zalman heatpipes you can add it to any card that has the proper mounting holes, i think they did kind of make a standard cuz all gf3 gf4 and radeons 8500's to 9700pro fit it.
The only accpetion is value cards witch usually dont have a 'fan' anyways so they dont have the mounting holes.
kyleb Agreed unless its a realllllly big fan? not sure where it would go. Again im just speculating, no roumors here :\
understood GlowStick i just can't see it being a 7db fan myself, not saying i can't be wrong. :angel:
7dB is definitely not a fan (unless they've fudged the figure). Sounds like the level of liquid evaporating/condensing in a heatpipe to me.
If that is the case, makes you wonder why they're not marketing it as "silent" instead.
:confused:
MuFu.
honstly, my best guess is that they are useing a heatpipe with a respectable fan and by 7db they mean an addtional 7db over the standard noise-level of a pc. that would be some shify marketing for sure, but i have come to expect such things lately. ;)
GlowStick
03-01-03, 12:54 PM
Hm, i dont know how a heatpipe works, but i herd it has some kinda of liquid inside and something.
And they dont mean 7db over your standard system noise, sorry to burst all of you "well sure its faster, but its too loud" fans out there. They quote 7DB max, im sure like the GF FX stock, when you are not running a game it will turn off this 'fan' or should i say this unidenified source of noise :D
Originally posted by GlowStick
And they dont mean 7db over your standard system noise, sorry to burst all of you "well sure its faster, but its too loud" fans out there.
i don't know what you are talking about, 7db over standard would not be "too loud", at least not in my openion. also i don't get the "well sure it is faster" as best i can tell the fx would be all around slower in the same situations that i use my 9700pro in.
beyond that, what do you have to back up that you know what they "mean". i could have sworn that "8-pixelpipelines" ment 8x1 as well but we can all see how that paned out.
GlowStick
03-01-03, 01:20 PM
Originally posted by kyleb
i don't know what you are talking about, 7db over standard would not be "too loud", at least not in my openion. also i don't get the "well sure it is faster" as best i can tell the fx would be all around slower in the same situations that i use my 9700pro in.
beyond that, what do you have to back up that you know what they "mean". i could have sworn that "8-pixelpipelines" ment 8x1 as well but we can all see how that paned out.
Well most fanATIcs keep saying that the Radeon9700Pro hold sthe preformance title because (sure, the Gf FX is faster, but its too loud). But gainward is now cheeper, so for fun i am saying that now the Radeon is toooo loud, so even if it was faster, its not the king ; D
But yeah, 7db over your case noise woudlnt be to loud, the loudist fan on *most* pc's is your PS fan, unless u have an enermax or antec or vantec or some other preofrmance one
*hugs his enermax ps*
ya i have a pair of enermax myself, good stuff :)
but realy the fx does seems to trail prety far behind the 9700pro in preformace the way i prefer to use a video card; with the aa and af cranked that is. unfornatly most benchmarks so far do little to show that. :mad:
GlowStick
03-01-03, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by kyleb
ya i have a pair of enermax myself, good stuff :)
but realy the fx does seems to trail prety far behind the 9700pro in preformace the way i prefer to use a video card; with the aa and af cranked that is. unfornatly most benchmarks so far do little to show that. :mad:
I have a strong feeling that with new drivers the AA preformance will incrase alot.
how? or is that just a wild guess?
GlowStick
03-01-03, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by kyleb
how? or is that just a wild guess?
Since all driver releases has gained preformance for all past Nvidia cards, espically in the AA department.
humm, well i know i have seen good boosts from nvidia drivers in the past but i don't recall them ever haveing an extra effect on aa preformace, i don't even understand how it would be possable other than though more effective compression to improve memory bandwith and i would imagine that has already been pushed about as far as it will go. so i don't rightly see it happening, though i do admint that i could be wrong. :angel2:
GlowStick
03-01-03, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by kyleb
humm, well i know i have seen good boosts from nvidia drivers in the past but i don't recall them ever haveing an extra effect on aa preformace, i don't even understand how it would be possable other than though more effective compression to improve memory bandwith and i would imagine that has already been pushed about as far as it will go. so i don't rightly see it happening, though i do admint that i could be wrong. :angel2:
Im not sure how nvidia dose it, but they do it and do it well. Nvnews.com did a really good article on it compareing geforces with the first drivers and the new drivers.
Just as a side note (since it is my thread :D)
I hope they drop the Dam Geforce Name.
THe NV30 should be the TNT 3. the NV35 should be the TNT 3 Ultra!!!!!
Originally posted by GlowStick
I have a strong feeling that with new drivers the AA preformance will incrase alot. What about AA quality. :angel2:
Originally posted by kyleb
humm, well i know i have seen good boosts from nvidia drivers in the past but i don't recall them ever haveing an extra effect on aa preformace, i don't even understand how it would be possable other than though more effective compression to improve memory bandwith and i would imagine that has already been pushed about as far as it will go. so i don't rightly see it happening, though i do admint that i could be wrong. :angel2:
You're wrong :P
Drivers can do one thing to increase AA performance: Optimize the memory controller system. And, more precisely, the crossbar architecture.
Remember that nVidia *did* increase memory bandwidth with a driver ( not sure which one ) for the GF3. And they claimed it was by optimizing the crossbar memory architecture.
"But, the NV30 still uses 32x4! Didn't they already optimize this to the max?"
Yes, they did. But now there's DDR-II which becomes a factor, too.
With DDR-I, you had a burst length of 2. So you had to send 256 bits of data at once when using a 128 bit memory bus, optimally.
But with DDR-II, you've got to send 512 bits of data at once, if you want to be optimal!
So, as you see, there *is* a new factor with the NV30, and that could be enhanced via drivers. Don't hope for a *huge* performance boost, however. But hoping for a slight one ( 10%? ) seems reasonable to me.
As for AA quality... AFAIK, there's no way this is gonna get better.
Although 4xS could be fixed via drivers. But I fear the performance hit will be wayy too big because Color Compression won't work as well ( see 6xS performance hit! )
So, sounds like there's no possible miracle for AA Quality :(
Uttar
P.S. : Personally, I'd have prefered nVidia to simply call it "GeFX" - it sounds better, it's shorter and it's a lot more catchy than "GeForce FX" - and GFFX still looks strange to me!
Honestly tho, when are you ever able to compare AA quality when a game is actually moving? Unless its a flight sim, with slow moving far off objects or something.
I still think those shots that some website posted showing unreal2, and need for speed, showed better image quality in the GF-FX. AA was nigh on identical as far as I could see, but the GF-FX had way better texture quality. The 9700 shots were far too blurry in the texture department.
That said, I dont think I'll get a gf-fx unless my mate (who won a quadro-fx from cg-shaders, and got a gf-fx from nvidia conference) sells me his cheap :)
well i can note the difference when i go to play cs and realise i left it on x4, at which point i generaly quit out and go turn it up. i supose part of the reason behind this is that the game is not always moveing, or sometimes it moves slowly, and i have hated jaggies before i even knew anti-alising was possable. ;)
GlowStick
03-02-03, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by Uttar
P.S. : Personally, I'd have prefered nVidia to simply call it "GeFX" - it sounds better, it's shorter and it's a lot more catchy than "GeForce FX" - and GFFX still looks strange to me!
How do you pernouce GeFX :P
and meanwhile, they should go back to the TNT nameing because the drivers are called Detonators, get it they detonate TNT get it.
hahaha hahahahaha
haha
it would be so 1337 if it was the TnT 3, or put a cool thing in front of it.
Hmm maybe the Fanta TNT... like the drink!
surfhurleydude
03-02-03, 04:01 PM
Any guesses as to when Gainward will reveal its cooling solution and launch these cards to buy? Personally I think it was just to draw attention to Gainward and make money for some of their other products, and they never will reveal their GF FX solution, but whatever.
GlowStick
03-02-03, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by surfhurleydude
Any guesses as to when Gainward will reveal its cooling solution and launch these cards to buy? Personally I think it was just to draw attention to Gainward and make money for some of their other products, and they never will reveal their GF FX solution, but whatever.
Nope, we will probly find pictures of it when they release it. But you can assume it involves just a really big, GAINT heatsink. Thats how all heatsinks seem to work out :O
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