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nV`andrew
12-03-06, 06:52 PM
No, im not currently building it, i need help with decisions on hardware for christmas.

right now i have

eVGA nForce 4 SLi S939 mobo
2GB (4x512mb) Corsair DDR400
AMD Athlon X2 3800+
eVGA 7900GT CO SuperClocked
X-Fi XtremeMusic
Antec SmartPower 400W
Antec P-160WF

so i wanna upgrade to G80. i dont know if i can afford conroe, i have about a $900 budget. was looking probably at an 8800GTS.

would it be cheaper for me to stick with my SLi 939 mobo, get an X2 4800+, good 2x1gb ram and a good heatsink and fan for the proc and overclock it?
because i want to have an sli motherboard, and the current conroe ones are pricey.

an 8800gts will mean a new power supply. was lookin at an ocz 600w or 700w. i know ill need a good PSU, but i dont wanna spend a boat load on it. not sure if a G80 will fit in my case? can anyone verify it?

or should i somehow go with an e6400 and overclock it?

any help is appreciated. thank you

stncttr908
12-03-06, 07:34 PM
If I recall, the P160 can house a GTX (just barely), but since the GTS is shorter you should be fine.

Uberpwnage
12-03-06, 08:00 PM
I think getting an X2 4800+ would be a waste of money if you already have a 3800+, just oc that, if you're not already doing so.

New ram for a 4800+ is also useless, because you'll just have to dump it for DDR2 when you do have enough for Core 2.
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You could definitely oc an E6400 pretty well w/ the right mobo. I dont think you could fit it in your budget though,

Prices @ Newegg

E6400: $218
evga 680i: $249 (the ECS is a little cheaper, but idk how good it is)
evga 8800gts: $429 (w/ $20 MIR)
2x1GB DDR2800: > $200
PSU: > $100

thats $1200 or more lol, so i would say just get the 8800GTS, a psu, and maybe a good fan for your current cpu so you can oc more. Save all the extra money for a Core 2 upgrade.
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As far as the case, i couldn't see the GTS not fitting, idk about the GTX though.

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 08:32 PM
thanks for the replies.

i heard that a 3800 @ 2.4ghz is a bottleneck for the GTS. My ram is ValueSelect, so i dont think its gonna want me attempting to push the processor to 2.6ghz.

so shouldnt i get some decent overclocking memory and a good fan, even if i went for 3800 or 4800.

i had my 3800 @ 2.3ghz on this RAM at decent temps, stock cooling, pretty much stable except oblivion crashed more often.

if i got a 4800, it would already have some good stock speeds, and has a 2mb cache on both cores, and i could push it to 2.8ghz easily. it would easily last me probably a year IMO, but it could turn out to be a waste.

more input appreciated. thx for the replies

Uberpwnage
12-03-06, 08:37 PM
a 4800+ would bottleneck it, and so would a 4800+ @ 2.8GHz. Thats why i said it was a waste, it'll bottleneck either way.

It just seems to me like an 8800GTS even w/ the bottleneck would hold you over until you got some more money, $300 more basically.

Sometimes Oblivion just crashes, its crashed for me when everything was stock lol.

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 08:42 PM
a 4800+ would bottleneck it, and so would a 4800+ @ 2.8GHz. Thats why i said it was a waste, it'll bottleneck either way.

It just seems to me like an 8800GTS even w/ the bottleneck would hold you over until you got some more money, $300 more basically.

Sometimes Oblivion just crashes, its crashed for me when everything was stock lol.


haha k. 3800 it is.

as for the RAM, its in T2(slower) and its valueselect, so i wont get much overclocking out of the processor with it. my budget can afford some $200 OCZ or G.Skill 2x1gb sticks to get a little more out of my 3800. what do you think?

Bearclaw
12-03-06, 08:42 PM
Sometimes Oblivion just crashes, its crashed for me when everything was stock lol.
Oblivion crashed on me quite a few times. Sometimes I even got the BSOD.

Roadhog
12-03-06, 08:47 PM
haha k. 3800 it is.

as for the RAM, its in T2(slower) and its valueselect, so i wont get much overclocking out of the processor with it. my budget can afford some $200 OCZ or G.Skill 2x1gb sticks to get a little more out of my 3800. what do you think?

yes. Go with the OCZ Platnium DDR2 2x1GB sticks

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 08:53 PM
yes. Go with the OCZ Platnium DDR2 2x1GB sticks


Thank you for the reply. What about the speed. (PC3200, 400 etc. i mean) my mobo standard is 3200, but im assuming it can handle more than that, lol? Would this be any kind of benefit for me at all or will PC3200 do fine for overclocking my proc.

EDIT: keep in mind i have to use DDR lol (not going with core 2 duo)

Roadhog
12-03-06, 08:55 PM
Thank you for the reply. What about the speed. (PC3200, 400 etc. i mean) my mobo standard is 3200, but im assuming it can handle more than that, lol? Would this be any kind of benefit for me at all or will PC3200 do fine for overclocking my proc.

EDIT: keep in mind i have to use DDR lol (not going with core 2 duo)


Oh, well then just get 3200 if you arent going to overclock.

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 08:57 PM
Oh, well then just get 3200 if you arent going to overclock.


YAARRGHH! lol. i AM going to overclock my 3800 lol. so then i should look into higher speed memory, correct? im gonna look on the egg right now and see what i can find

Roadhog
12-03-06, 09:00 PM
YAARRGHH! lol. i AM going to overclock my 3800 lol. so then i should look into higher speed memory, correct? im gonna look on the egg right now and see what i can find

lol :P yes, get the highest speed you can afford then.

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 09:12 PM
k heres what i found. wow, they have really gotten rid of most of their DDR ram due to these new processors using DDR2 :( lol. oh well, thats what i get.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820227225

okay

so what im pretty sure ill be buying is:

@ Newegg
eVGA 8800GTS - $429
OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU - $129
OCZ 2GB Platinum (2x1gb) DDR500 - $239 @ ZZF
and for a cooling fan for the processor, is the 9500 the best choice?(wow price just went up $20, yay) i know the XP90/120 is real good, but i dont want any hassle with the hsf.

stevemedes
12-03-06, 09:17 PM
I dont see a point in dropping $250 on DDR1 ram right now, it's obsolete. If anything, buy a PSU and the GTS. Then buy a C2D, Mobo and RAM piece when you have the money. Do you have a backup rig? Sell your old stuff and put that money towards new stuff. Thats what im in the process of doing.

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 09:21 PM
I dont see a point in dropping $250 on DDR1 ram right now, it's obsolete. If anything, buy a PSU and the GTS. Then buy a C2D, Mobo and RAM piece when you have the money. Do you have a backup rig? Sell your old stuff and put that money towards new stuff. Thats what im in the process of doing.


yeah i am selling a 7900gt, 6600, 5200FX, like 3 gigs of ram, my current power supply, my monitor, and other things. i MAY be able to afford core 2 after that, but idk.

bleh, im perplexed

Uberpwnage
12-03-06, 10:14 PM
well if you have like $200 left over after the gpu/psu/fan, then u would probably have enough to stuff there to make $400 more, which would be pretty close to enough for core 2

nV`andrew
12-03-06, 11:50 PM
well if you have like $200 left over after the gpu/psu/fan, then u would probably have enough to stuff there to make $400 more, which would be pretty close to enough for core 2


yeah. for now im going to be sticking with the upgrades you guys helped me pick. if im able to sell my current hardware and other things for some decent cash, ill definitely be going with conroe.

again, thanks for all the help