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Camp0rz
12-13-06, 10:33 AM
Alright, I'm looking to build a new pc. My current pc I built about 3 years ago has a 3.4 prescott in it and when I build a new pc, I'm looking for a noticable performance upgrade. I've been looking at a e6300 for awhile now, but being a senior in highschool with a part time job at ebgames I don't really have a lot of cash to spend on a computer. So I started looking at other options, mainly the AMD 3800 X2. It's only $140 on newegg and seems to offer a good amount of performance for the price. So I have a few questions:

1. What kind of performance increase am I looking at from a 3.4 Prescott P4 to a 3800 X2?

2. How much of a performance gap is there between a e6300 and a 3800 X2?

3. Suggestions for a mobo for the 3800? I've been looking at a DFI Lanparty on newegg for about $90 I think.

buffbiff21
12-13-06, 11:28 AM
1. What kind of performance increase am I looking at from a 3.4 Prescott P4 to a 3800 X2?

2. How much of a performance gap is there between a e6300 and a 3800 X2?

3. Suggestions for a mobo for the 3800? I've been looking at a DFI Lanparty on newegg for about $90 I think.

haha dude i know how it feels, but I work full time... and I dont have any other bills to pay so i pour all my checks in to my comp.

1. The x2 is only slightly better than that P4, but it is better at multitasking since its 2 cores. It is a somewhat illogical upgrade.
Check out this chart: http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=455&model2=471&chart=173

2. There is a very large gap if you OC the 6300. be sure to get a good OC mobo for it
I recommend this one for budget:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128018
and this one overall:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131025

3. I dont have any suggestion for the 3800 mobo, i would recommend just getting a Core 2.

Bman212121
12-13-06, 11:55 AM
There is a huge difference between a 3800+ X2 and a P4 3.4. In games it makes a few fps difference, since the biggest factor is the GPU. However, you'll be suprised at how much quicker it is at everything else. That and the 3800 can be OC'ed to be faster than any P4 or PD. Most people here at nvnews seems to be running it at about 2.5, which makes it aprrox a 4700+ X2. (If there was such a thing)

I am with buffbif21 though on getting a C2D. You can get an e6300 pretty cheap, and it is like getting an FX-60. Since you are starting new, I would be a better investment IMO to get a C2D. It may take a little longer to save up for it, but it will be worth it in the end.

EDIT: Also, it sounds like there are going to be a lot more games coming out that will fully support dual cores, and they could easily be CPU bound, then you will really notice the difference between a P4 3.4, 3800+x2, and E6300. If you try out test drive unlimited, it is cpu bound. Both of my cores on my FX-60 will stay at 100% usage while playing the game. I'm guessing the some of the upcoming games will probably do the same.

buffbiff21
12-13-06, 12:19 PM
There is a huge difference between a 3800+ X2 and a P4 3.4. In games it makes a few fps difference, since the biggest factor is the GPU. However, you'll be suprised at how much quicker it is at everything else. That and the 3800 can be OC'ed to be faster than any P4 or PD. Most people here at nvnews seems to be running it at about 2.5, which makes it aprrox a 4700+ X2. (If there was such a thing)


Right. I forgot to mention the X2 3800 does OC pretty well. (and I only looked at that chart for the graphics... that is likely what he'll be doing on the system) AMD is still great, I had a Athlon 64 (not x2) and got a good price/OC ratio. but the darn core 2's just blow everythign out of proportion. I got a 1.2 GHz OC on my e6600, and the e6300's have an even better OC percentage capability!

Camp0rz
12-13-06, 04:58 PM
Yeah, I originally planned on getting a e6300 and over clocking it, but when I started looking for a cheap board that had core 2 support(obviously), sli, and good over clocking capabilities I turned up short. Having 2 pci-e slots isn't the most important thing I consider when buying a mobo, but it would be nice to have it there for future upgrades.

If I go the c2d route, then I'll probably pick up this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131032) to go with it.
On the other hand there is a variety of AM2 slot boards with tons of features for just as much as the Asus above, or cheaper.

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136021) is the DFI I was talking about.

Anyway, thanks for all the help guys. :)

Edit: I overlooked BuffBiff's link to the Gigabyte board. I remember looking at that one while crawling through the internet for an affordable c2d board. It's definitely an option.

buffbiff21
12-14-06, 12:31 AM
Yeah, I originally planned on getting a e6300 and over clocking it, but when I started looking for a cheap board that had core 2 support(obviously), sli, and good over clocking capabilities I turned up short. Having 2 pci-e slots isn't the most important thing I consider when buying a mobo, but it would be nice to have it there for future upgrades.

If I go the c2d route, then I'll probably pick up this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131032) to go with it.
On the other hand there is a variety of AM2 slot boards with tons of features for just as much as the Asus above, or cheaper.

Here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813136021) is the DFI I was talking about.

Anyway, thanks for all the help guys. :)

Edit: I overlooked BuffBiff's link to the Gigabyte board. I remember looking at that one while crawling through the internet for an affordable c2d board. It's definitely an option.


If you want a good OCer with SLI, check this out:
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=247123

It is the lower end version of the 680i that is fairly popular now. (quad core compatible too) Not sure how well it OCs, I havent read any reviews or anything of the like. But if its anything like its bigger brother it should be just right for you.

And I gave you the wrong DS3 link:
this is the right one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012

Dazz
12-14-06, 10:51 AM
I work also but ALL my money goes on bill's :rolleyes: Still trying to go for a core 2 system. When did the 650i come out????

buffbiff21
12-14-06, 01:22 PM
I work also but ALL my money goes on bill's :rolleyes: Still trying to go for a core 2 system. When did the 650i come out????


Thats why you live at home till youre 21. ;)

The 650i came out earlier this week i believe.