'Hat Trick' Review thread - R9200,R9600,R9800

[AnteP]

here ya go:

http://www.nordichardware.com/reviews/graphiccard/2003/Radeon9800Pro/

[sebazve]

very nice these cards are gonna rock:D :D

Note: LOL they even got their r350 before they couldnt even have a geforce fx to test isnt this ironic :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

[GlowStick]

Just found anand's, i now know why they named it the 9800. Though i saw 3 pages of UT2k3 pages they are showing 5-15fps increase over r9700p im reading hardocp's havent finished yet

[Hunter32]

Looks to be a very fast card. I'm going to wait until the 256mb version shows up, I believe they said April. 400/920 clock frequencies...maybe, only time will tell.

I itching real bad to get rid of this ti4400, for something faster.

[Hellbinder]

Gimme a break :rolleyes:

Just found anand's, i now know why they named it the 9800. Though i saw 3 pages of UT2k3 pages they are showing 5-15fps increase over r9700p im reading hardocp's havent finished yet


With FSAA+AF it crushes the GFFX by about 20 fPS or more in most cases. What the hell are you talking about. No one buys cards like these to run default benchmarks.

Of course I have no doubt you still will buy the inferior big
[N]'s Dustbuster right??

[GlowStick]

Originally posted by Hellbinder
Gimme a break :rolleyes:


With FSAA+AF it crushes the GFFX by about 20 fPS or more in most cases.

Please read what you quoted and what you wrote. Then read HardOCP's review.

[Typedef Enum]

Actually, it beats the crap out of the FX (400/400) by a lot more than that...

Hats off to HardOCP for doing the right thing and downclocking a product that cannot be had...outside of those preorders.

[digitalwanderer]

Yeah, I've actually liked [h]'s review the best so far too...but I haven't checked out Anand's yet and he always does an excellent job. :)

A nice looking card though, I hope it brings prices down QUICK! ;)

[Evildeus]

Didn't find the card as great as i was expecting, but a good card, sure.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/456/page1.html

[emailthatguy]

we got smoked bigtime...

card releases this month.

and i was hoping we'd live to see the fx get some badass performance out of its drivers. looks like it wont even matter now.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDM5

[muzz]

Actually the FX did better than I thought it would, it even won some tests........ if your game is serious sam it seems like a winner.

[emailthatguy]

i know its completely wishful thinking, most likely dilusional, but i hope to god for nvidia's sake theyll release some superdriver tomorrow that will create 50% better performance in everything, do my laundry, wash my car, and make coffee for me in the morning.

like i said its dilusional. looks like i may end up cancelling my fx pre order after all. damn, i really didnt wanna go ati.

comon nvidia, give us something anything, don't just fall over and die like this =/

[Hellbinder]

Please read what you quoted and what you wrote. Then read HardOCP's review.

Whatever.. maybe you need to learn to read eh?

and while your at it read the just posted Anantech review..

[Hellbinder]

i know its completely wishful thinking, most likely dilusional, but i hope to god for nvidia's sake theyll release some superdriver tomorrow that will create 50% better performance in everything, do my laundry, wash my car, and make coffee for me in the morning.

Let me let you in on a little secret....

ATi has Cat 3.2 waiting in the wings for exactly that event. Notice none of these tests were done with anything but Cat 3.1..

Yet i happen to know that Cat 3.2 is hand taylored to the needs of the 9800pro... ;)

ATi is not lead by a bunch of school children anymore.. heh

[Kruno]

With FSAA+AF it crushes the GFFX by about 20 fPS or more in most cases. What the hell are you talking about. No one buys cards like these to run default benchmarks.

Why do you go about generalising? I bought my R300 to defualt benchmarks. So are you direspecting me and calling me a "no one"?

You have been very aggressive and rude towards me ever since you have come onto these forums.

[Typedef Enum]

This is like one of those deals...you know, where one guy does everything right...and the other guy does everything wrong?

Eerily familiar actually...this is precisely where nVidia used to be...and ATI has firmly established herself as the technology/execution/etc leader.

Think about this...The 9700 is already fast where it counts...Slap a little 20-30% on top of that...sprinkle in a little o/c action for another 15% or so....and that pile on some more optimized drivers to boot.

As soon as these become available, I will be buying one :)

[emailthatguy]

why the hell did brent downclock the fx to a non ultra speed?

wtf?

something smells like **** here.....


edited so i could rant some more about this.

wtf is up w/ hardocp? i mean comon, running the card in non ultra mode? ill try to find some comparisions the the 5800 and the 5800 u and then compare them to what they posted. not gonna draw any conclusions yet. but i very well may stop looking at hardocp forever over this. the card is probobly faster than an fx no doubt about that. but when i look at it, its almost like nv pissed off hardocp and are trying to make nvidia look bad.

ill let you guys know what i come up w/ on the benchmark comparisions


edit again.

anandtech reviewed it. he let the cat out of the bag. r350 is a code tweaked and overclocked r300 nothing more. fx beat it in code creatures in his tests... hmm... crap i dunno what to think. maybe i should just pop my old savage2000 back in and be done w/ it? im getting a headache over this. im going to read the toms hardware review now so i can just confuse myself further.


wtf wtf? edit again. ok go read toms review. he has the geforce fx keeping up w/ it. and where the hell did he pickup a splinter cell bench util? wtf? he has the fx beating the 9800 in some ut tests? wtf? oh god my head hurts. going to hunt for more reviews.

[muzz]

Because he wasn't using overclocked cards in his review. he stated what would happen if he did that( at the very end).......

The FX drivers will mature, and when folks figure out how to disable the throttling it will be able to be overclocked( Edit: I'm hoping- for you guys), I personally don't think alot, but every bit helps.
It will get better, but NV is already pushing the 35 knowing full well what went wrong here( Edit: at least according to rumours).

[emailthatguy]

screw it. i got the damn card pre ordered (the fx that is) these numbers are all over the place, and frankly, i dont trust any of these guys reviewing them.

the manager at best buy is already giving me 50 bucks off my pickup price so it ends up 100 deposit + 250 pickup. so i guess im getting a good deal anyway, screw it, ill give best buy and nvidia 30 days to sort it out or ill just end up taking it back anyway. least this way i can test it w/ someone i actually know wont bull**** me about my money..... that being me.


weve all been through a lot these past couple weeks. numbers have been all over the place, some having the fx keeping up and in some tests beating the 9700 now even the 9800 (only in multi texturing that ive seen). all these numbers tell me one thing and one thing only. we cant trust any of these guys. they are probobly all on the take. maybe even these guys here at nv. who knows? we dont thats for sure. how the hell are we supposed to believe anything if we dont have some damn consistancy in the hardware community.

my reccomendation to everyone, buy what you like, deal w/ it. base those decisions w/ your money on your gut instinct. least thats something you can trust at this point.

[Hellbinder]

why the hell did brent downclock the fx to a non ultra speed?

Kyle and Brent both posted about this at Rage3d. Because everyone there was curious about it.

here is Kyle the owner of [H] response.

Well I think it is important to focus on what is available in retail. While it is all fun for us guys to get together in all these forums and argue tech, it comes down to something very real. 99% of [H] readers just want to know what they CAN buy and what they will get if they do buy it.

I think we were the only site (so far that I have seen) to compare against the non-Ultra 5800 and not use the Ultra at all. There will be some folks that will not be happy about that at all. I guess maybe I will get out my "ATI-Ho" dress this week and wear it.

and

deal with a bunch of the retailers and the card sellers here in the USA and we are yet to find one that will be sellig an Ultra card in retail. With that said, I really don't think it is right to use the 5800 Ultra as a comparison.

Anyway, that is our story and we are sticking with it.

[Hellbinder]

screw it. i got the damn card pre ordered (the fx that is) these numbers are all over the place, and frankly, i dont trust any of these guys reviewing them.

the manager at best buy is already giving me 50 bucks off my pickup price so it ends up 100 deposit + 250 pickup. so i guess im getting a good deal anyway, screw it, ill give best buy and nvidia 30 days to sort it out or ill just end up taking it back anyway. least this way i can test it w/ someone i actually know wont bull**** me about my money..... that being me.


weve all been through a lot these past couple weeks. numbers have been all over the place, some having the fx keeping up and in some tests beating the 9700 now even the 9800 (only in multi texturing that ive seen). all these numbers tell me one thing and one thing only. we cant trust any of these guys. they are probobly all on the take. maybe even these guys here at nv. who knows? we dont thats for sure. how the hell are we supposed to believe anything if we dont have some damn consistancy in the hardware community.

my reccomendation to everyone, buy what you like, deal w/ it. base those decisions w/ your money on your gut instinct. least thats something you can trust at this point.

You have got to be kidding me.. :rolleyes:

Sure every website on the internet is paid off by ATi. Ok... And the GFFX gets KILLED with AA+AF enabled by the 9800pro.

I cant believe that you are going to use that kind of reasoning to buy a GFFX...

[muzz]

I just think he should get whatever he wants....... it is his money, and if he isn't satisfied he can take it back....... prolly Around Mid-late April.......:D

Sorry couldn't resist.:angel2:

[emailthatguy]

i think your misunderstanding me. some sites have the fx keeping up, some dont. whats going on w/ the ones that have the fx keeping up? whats going on w/ the ones that dont? the point is WE DONT KNOW. do i know these guys myself? hell no i dont. am i willing to trust them w/ my money decisions at this point? hell no im not. like i said, best buy gives 30 days on hardware returns. so ill have a month to figure it out myself right? id much rather do that than base any buying decision i make off these jokers on the net. theyve shown me no consistancy whatsover. you totally know this. for the love of god dont make me track down all the differences in all the reviews out there to prove it to you. youve seen em, i know you have. you know they are all over the place too.

[Hellbinder]

Dude you need serious help..

anandtech reviewed it. he let the cat out of the bag. r350 is a code tweaked and overclocked r300 nothing more. fx beat it in code creatures in his tests... hmm... crap i dunno what to think. maybe i should just pop my old savage2000 back in and be done w/ it? im getting a headache over this. im going to read the toms hardware review now so i can just confuse myself further.


wtf wtf? edit again. ok go read toms review. he has the geforce fx keeping up w/ it. and where the hell did he pickup a splinter cell bench util? wtf? he has the fx beating the 9800 in some ut tests? wtf? oh god my head hurts. going to hunt for more reviews

I guess you are completely IGNORING the fact that the r350 passes up the technology of the Nv30 in almost every way?? How could you possibly read anands review and come away with "the cat is out of the bag"... :rolleyes:

I mean seriously..

The only games that the GFFX Ultra is faster in is the Code creatues demo and Serious Sam 2. It gets completely dominated in all the currect and biggest games...

[emailthatguy]

i actually like your posts. i hope you didnt get all offended by what i said cause your a reviewer hellbinder. like i said, you gotta admit. theres like 0 consistancy in any of the numbers almost between the sites. w/o consistancy what am i basing my decision for hardware purchases on? nothing thats what. like muzz said, i got a month to figure it out, and im getting a deal on it anyway. that extra 50 bucks im saving is gonna get me splinter cell or enclave (if youve not played the demo its fun as hell)

if it sucks, this will hold me over for the 256 mb version of the 9800 right?