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willz
12-31-06, 06:22 AM
Hi, an ATi owner here, i have an X800XT PE, it kicks ass on most current games for its age, but Rainbow Six Vegas and Splinter Cell Double Agent really ended the life of my card, i really want to play Rainbow Six Vegas, tried the hack, dident get past UT engine logo, so i kept on trying to do stuff, but i finally gave up, its not supported so no point trying to get it to work anymore.

Anyway, i am going to sell my X-Fi Fatal1ty and this wireless router thats worth like 70 quid that aol sent me for free, and with it, but a mobo for 20 quid second hand of someone i kno, its got 16x PCI-E slot so should work.

I have a Hiper Type-R 580W PSU, it works find with a 7900GTX as i know someone who has the same psu and a 7900GTX.

At overclockers.co.uk i seen an 8800GTS for 291 which seems a realy good price for it, however i looked at revies of the 8800GTS, and is it really worth it i thought, i mean the 8800GTX is miles and miles away from the 8800GTS in terms of performance, but obviously got a larger price tag, i noticed in one benchmark, the 7900GTX beat the 8800GTS.

I see a trend, august last year i was hating my radeon 9600, wouldent play hardly anything, so went and got an X800XT PE, at the time one of the worlds fastest GPU's for gaming, and i was blown away by the performance, now this year, i am the same with my X800XTPE as i was last year with my radeon 9600, so this time next year am i going to be looking for a new card because the 8800GTS is too crap to play anything / support some games?

I really am looking forward to Unreal Tournament 2007, will the 8800GTS be able to play it at maximum settings you think?

I really hope i wont be in the situation next year were if i get an 8800GTS, it wont be able to play most games at near highest settings. Some people tell me to wait what the R600 will offer, i think that it will beat the 8800GTX, but i cant wait that long, i am stuck with a card that can hardly play the latest games now, the last game my X800XT could play at maximum settings was Oblivion, F.E.A.R and COD2, but now its time to end its days and buy a better card, the X800XT is my 4th card, i previously has the 9600, and before that a 256mb FX5200 and a 128mb FX5200 which wasent a very nice experience.

My computer specs:
AMD Athlong 64 3700+ @ 2.8ghz
1GB DDR400 PC3200
GB-K8NSC (Upgrading towards end of Jan)
Hiper Typer-R 580W
160Gb hdd
X800XT PE --> 8800GTS?

About the power supply and 8800GTS, does it need 2 PCI-E connectors, because that would mean that you need an SLI Cert PSU to run wouldent it? if so then i am in abit of a problem coz i got my Hiper Type-R 580w before they became SLI cert so they only have one PCI-E connector, same specs just 1 less PCI-E Connector.

Also is the 8800GTS a good overclockers? i plan to overclock eventually if i get it, of course a new PSU will be coming first before overclocking.

Thanks
Will T

nIghtorius
12-31-06, 07:16 AM
Hi, an ATi owner here, i have an X800XT PE, it kicks ass on most current games for its age, but Rainbow Six Vegas and Splinter Cell Double Agent really ended the life of my card, i really want to play Rainbow Six Vegas, tried the hack, dident get past UT engine logo, so i kept on trying to do stuff, but i finally gave up, its not supported so no point trying to get it to work anymore.

Anyway, i am going to sell my X-Fi Fatal1ty and this wireless router thats worth like 70 quid that aol sent me for free, and with it, but a mobo for 20 quid second hand of someone i kno, its got 16x PCI-E slot so should work.

I have a Hiper Type-R 580W PSU, it works find with a 7900GTX as i know someone who has the same psu and a 7900GTX.

At overclockers.co.uk i seen an 8800GTS for 291 which seems a realy good price for it, however i looked at revies of the 8800GTS, and is it really worth it i thought, i mean the 8800GTX is miles and miles away from the 8800GTS in terms of performance, but obviously got a larger price tag, i noticed in one benchmark, the 7900GTX beat the 8800GTS.

I see a trend, august last year i was hating my radeon 9600, wouldent play hardly anything, so went and got an X800XT PE, at the time one of the worlds fastest GPU's for gaming, and i was blown away by the performance, now this year, i am the same with my X800XTPE as i was last year with my radeon 9600, so this time next year am i going to be looking for a new card because the 8800GTS is too crap to play anything / support some games?

I really am looking forward to Unreal Tournament 2007, will the 8800GTS be able to play it at maximum settings you think?

I really hope i wont be in the situation next year were if i get an 8800GTS, it wont be able to play most games at near highest settings. Some people tell me to wait what the R600 will offer, i think that it will beat the 8800GTX, but i cant wait that long, i am stuck with a card that can hardly play the latest games now, the last game my X800XT could play at maximum settings was Oblivion, F.E.A.R and COD2, but now its time to end its days and buy a better card, the X800XT is my 4th card, i previously has the 9600, and before that a 256mb FX5200 and a 128mb FX5200 which wasent a very nice experience.

My computer specs:
AMD Athlong 64 3700+ @ 2.8ghz
1GB DDR400 PC3200
GB-K8NSC (Upgrading towards end of Jan)
Hiper Typer-R 580W
160Gb hdd
X800XT PE --> 8800GTS?

About the power supply and 8800GTS, does it need 2 PCI-E connectors, because that would mean that you need an SLI Cert PSU to run wouldent it? if so then i am in abit of a problem coz i got my Hiper Type-R 580w before they became SLI cert so they only have one PCI-E connector, same specs just 1 less PCI-E Connector.

Also is the 8800GTS a good overclockers? i plan to overclock eventually if i get it, of course a new PSU will be coming first before overclocking.

Thanks
Will T

The GTS requires only one PCI-E aux power connector. the GTX however requires two of them. your PSU looks beefy enough to power a GTS (heck even a GTX)

But I have to remind you.. the drivers of the 8800 series aren't fully mature yet. You might run into trouble with SC : DA. Right now the 97.44 series are the only ones able to play SC : DA (although you have to disable HIGH DETAIL SHADERS or you will get rainbow textures) and you have to create a new shortcut to the single-player.exe with the following command line arguments (-ll)

I have no experience with RB6 Vegas icm the 8800. But it looks okay. Seen screens of the 8800 running this game without graphics glitches due to immature drivers.

Oblivion runs great on the 8800 and so does FEAR and COD2.

I hoped this helped.

edit: smileys @ SC : DA fixed

ManOnFire
12-31-06, 07:20 AM
I have a 400W psu in my rig so i think your 580W will do fine. My 8800GTS oc's to 630MHz core and 2GHz memory but i havent tested stability, it runs the 3dmarks though. The 8800GTS has one power connector and uses one pci-e slot but it covers 2 slots.

willz
12-31-06, 07:28 AM
Hi, thanks for the quick response :)

Ok i am glad to hear about the PSU.

What do you mean it covers 2 slots, do you mean it blocks a PCI slot? if so, thats ok, i only have a tv tuner which i never use.

So far so good, sounds like its going to be a good buy, but is it worth it really? i mean what will happen in say 5 months time? will it be struggling?, i am mainly upgrading in preperation of UT2K7 and obviously so i can play some games my x800xt pe dont support, so would you think the 8800GTS could handle something with graphics like ut2k7?

Burnt_Ram
12-31-06, 09:15 AM
my GTS overclocked is way faster than my old 7800GT sli setup, so i would think it would be ahuge improvement over your x800 ;) nothing i can't run at 1600x1200 4xAA 16xAF. except COD2, and FEAR ;) those 2 i have to run at 1280x1024, but they run *excellent* go for the 8800 ;)(cheers)

willz
12-31-06, 09:18 AM
COD2 and F.E.A.R too much for the graphics cards at those settings O_o :s, that doesent sound too good :\.

Burnt_Ram
12-31-06, 11:32 AM
COD2 and F.E.A.R too much for the graphics cards at those settings O_o :s, that doesent sound too good :\.for 1600x1200, ya its a bit much for a GTS, but a GTX can handle those games at 1600x1200 (cheers) however, in *both* those games going to 1600x1200 there is very little IQ diff, thank god ;)

Redeemed
12-31-06, 12:36 PM
for 1600x1200, ya its a bit much for a GTS, but a GTX can handle those games at 1600x1200 (cheers) however, in *both* those games going to 1600x1200 there is very little IQ diff, thank god ;)

You have to consider that AA is practically free on the 8800 series as well.

Sure, you might be stuck at 1280x1024 but odds are you could crank the AA/AF up to 16x and not notice a dip in framerates. I'd like to see you be able to do the same with any other setup.

Oh, and on average I believe the 8800GTS should be about as fast as a single 7950GX2.

I'm running two 8800GTSs so I'm not too concerned about future titles not running all that well. ;)

And to the OP, if necessary just pick on an SLi capable mobo and drop a second GTS in there and shortly there after a C2. :D That'd keep the system running for quite some time- even with games like Crysis and Alan Wake.

Burnt_Ram
12-31-06, 12:58 PM
You have to consider that AA is practically free on the 8800 series as well.

Sure, you might be stuck at 1280x1024 but odds are you could crank the AA/AF up to 16x and not notice a dip in framerates. I'd like to see you be able to do the same with any other setup.

Oh, and on average I believe the 8800GTS should be about as fast as a single 7950GX2.

I'm running two 8800GTSs so I'm not too concerned about future titles not running all that well. ;)

And to the OP, if necessary just pick on an SLi capable mobo and drop a second GTS in there and shortly there after a C2. :D That'd keep the system running for quite some time- even with games like Crysis and Alan Wake.
soon as DX10 is here, with a *game* to play. i'm back on the SLi bandwagon ;)

willz
12-31-06, 01:34 PM
Hmmm, well currently i am buying a PCI-E mobo off someone i know, only 20 quid, its a preety crappy motherboard, but its worth 20 quid seen as its gonna get me off AGP, i proberbly will upgrade to an SLi mobo and put another 8800GTS in if i got an 8800GTS, but maybe going to one 8800GTX would be better?

Also, 8800GTX been on avarage with a 7950GX2, but there cheaper!

Burnt_Ram
12-31-06, 01:53 PM
where are you guys getting this, that a GX2 is on par with a 8800GTX ? thats not the case at all. i had 7800GT Sli and thats close to GX2 performance, and my 8800 *GTS* mops the floor with my old SLi setup .... even guys that had 7900GTX sli setups which is faster than an GX2 see a big diff going to single 8800GTX ...

willz
12-31-06, 02:12 PM
No, they said, the 8800GTS is about as fast as a single 7950GX2, which i think is dissapointing for the card.

therapture
12-31-06, 04:10 PM
No, they said, the 8800GTS is about as fast as a single 7950GX2, which i think is dissapointing for the card.


Disappointing? A SINGLE gpu card matching (at minimum) a DUAL gpu card? Hardly disappointing....and once you turn on the eye candy and crank up the res a bit, the 8800GTS beats the 7950GX2, and in DX10, that GTS will mop the freaking floor with that 7950.....

willz
12-31-06, 04:13 PM
I suppose you have a point :p, meh, i'll just bite the bullet and take the plunge, if i regret it, i will regret it, if i dont, i dont :D

Xion X2
12-31-06, 04:18 PM
A single GTS should play COD2 at 1600 res just fine. My GTX plays it at a steady 60FPS @ 1680x1050 w/ maximum settings and 8xAA enabled in the control panel.

You may need to optimize your settings if you can't play COD2 @ 1600 resolution on a single GTS. That doesn't sound right.

Drax
01-01-07, 03:38 AM
I just went from an AMD 3200+ and an ATI 800XT PE to a dual core intel (2.4 ghz) and an eVGA 8800 GTS and OMFG what a leap. I've got Doom 3 at ultra settings (no compressed textures) running smooth at 1680x1050 with 16xFSAA and 16XAF.

Source engine games don't even make this thing sweat. Can't wait to see Oblivion.

I'll upgrade to a GTX of something better if there IS anything in a bit with the step-up program, but for now there isn't much this card can't handle at maxed out quality settings.

May I suggest the first thing you do once you've got your new card installed and your feet wet is go grab nHancer. Definitly better then the standard CP and, as I read somewhere else on the forum, when you turn tripple buffering on in nHancer it actualy turns on, as opposed to the normal control pannel. Frame rates shot up in Doom 3 and Prey after I started using it.

RussianHAXOR
01-01-07, 04:30 AM
Good input, i wish i could help test it out.

Xion X2
01-01-07, 04:50 AM
Drax--if you want triple-buffering in all your games then go get DXTweaker, if you haven't already. Works for everything except OpenGL games (Prey, Doom) and allows you to triple-buffer in DirectX (something you normally can't do through the control panel.)

If it wasn't sacreligious, I would bow down to the guy who programmed that tool for those of us who cannot stand seeing our framerates suddenly drop like a slot machine while playing games in DirectX.

willz
01-01-07, 06:28 AM
What is tripple buffering? Does it make stuff look alot better whilst also upping the framrates?

Insanity123
01-01-07, 09:10 AM
Whenever vou use Vsync, you shpuld use triple buffering, it makes sure your framerate is either exactly your refresh rate or something below that without losing performance if it drops below (vsynch without triple buffering means that if your refresh is 60hz and you drop below it, it reverts to 30 automatically)
hope that helped, happy new year mate

noko
01-01-07, 09:53 AM
I finished CoD2 at 1920x1200, 8xAA, 16xAF and max settings with multisample transparent shadows as smooth as butter on a 8800GTX. Currently playing fear with everything maxed, supersample transparent AA with 16xAA, 16xAF which performance test says 55FPS average, 30FPS min at 1920x1200, I've never seen anything so beatifull in a game. I am very sure a GTS can do 1600x1200 in most games out there and run them exceptionally good.

willz
01-01-07, 10:31 AM
So can an 8800GTS do everything an 8800GTX can do, but just do it at 1600x1200, so really the extra power of the 8800GTX is for extreme resolutions?

Also, i dont see a point in using Vsync, why use it?? same with GTA SA, why use Frame Limiter?? what is the point?

3DBrad
01-01-07, 05:26 PM
The 8800gts doesn't do too hot in those games either. Don't blame your card, Ubisoft is just lazy and doesn't know how to make a game run good on PCs. Just remember GRAW on the PC. :)

I have a 7950gx2, and it can run GRAW at around 60fps at 1600x1200, but my 7900gtx would only get about 45fps.

Drax
01-01-07, 06:01 PM
Drax--if you want triple-buffering in all your games then go get DXTweaker, if you haven't already. Works for everything except OpenGL games (Prey, Doom) and allows you to triple-buffer in DirectX (something you normally can't do through the control panel.)

I'm all over that! Thanks!!

willz
01-01-07, 06:25 PM
I run GRAW at maximum settings with one thing medium coz i dont have physics card, then the res at around 1280 x 1024