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Zarich
01-05-07, 12:44 PM
(nana2)
Well I left nvidia for a 9800pro 3 years ago. It has been a good card, but the drivers have not been all that fun. though in the last year they have definetly gotten better (unless you use the CC).

I purchased an evga 7950gt 256 ($199). I was really torn between this and the x1950pro. People say the x1950pro is not only faster, but has better IQ. But after three years of ATI I wanted to try nvidia again.

How is the 7950gt gonna compare to my 9800pro?

CaptNKILL
01-05-07, 12:49 PM
(nana2)
Well I left nvidia for a 9800pro 3 years ago. It has been a good card, but the drivers have not been all that fun. though in the last year they have definetly gotten better (unless you use the CC).

I purchased an evga 7950gt 256 ($199). I was really torn between this and the x1950pro. People say the x1950pro is not only faster, but has better IQ. But after three years of ATI I wanted to try nvidia again.

How is the 7950gt gonna compare to my 9800pro?
It'll be much faster.

:p

Zarich
01-05-07, 01:01 PM
is there any truth to the iq being worse?

Q
01-05-07, 01:06 PM
is there any truth to the iq being worse?

The IQ on all cards went down a few years ago. If you care about IQ alone, I would go with x1950. When I went from the 9800Pro to the 6800 Ultra, the IQ was horrible on the NV side in comparison on the AF side.

Right now the best IQ is found in the 8800 series, although if you're trying to avoid driver issues I would keep as far from that card as I could.

Go with the x1950. Its got good driver support at the moment and for a while into the future, more than likely. And the IQ is second only to the 8800 series and not be a huge margin at that.

stncttr908
01-05-07, 02:02 PM
I'd say the AF quality on the 8800 series is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there, actually. Then again I don't have hands on experience, only video/screenshots.

Q
01-05-07, 02:08 PM
I'd say the AF quality on the 8800 series is leaps and bounds ahead of anything else out there, actually. Then again I don't have hands on experience, only video/screenshots.

My transition went...
9800Pro
6800Ultra
7800GTX
x1900XT
8800GTX

Huge downgrade in overall quality from the 9800 to the 6800. I heard it was the same on the ATI side for that round, so I lived with it. No difference going to the 7800GTX. Big difference in quality from the 7800 to x1900. And actually, a fairly big difference from the x1900 to the 8800GTX.

This is from casual observation, but I did get a pretty good WOW factor going to the 8800.

stncttr908
01-05-07, 02:12 PM
I do notice that the AF quality on my 6800GT is very sub-par compared to my old 9800 Pro, even in HQ mode. I honestly can't wait for either an R600 or 8800 series card for my next build. :D

Redeemed
01-05-07, 02:12 PM
You know, I was actually extremely impressed when I went from my 6800GT to the 7600GT. The image just seemed cleaner and more "alive" on the 7600GT. So I thought the IQ was quite a bit better on the 7 series.

Then again, these 8800's completely blow the 7600GTs out of the water! Never have I seen such a clear images or games! Actually, my 5950U comes the closest from the IQ standpoint, though the performance obviously isn't there. :p

Zarich
01-05-07, 02:30 PM
um wow... I didnt know there was such a huge diff.. I hope I am not going to be too terribly disappointed in the 7950.

Redeemed
01-05-07, 02:37 PM
If you are, just return it. Or use it untill nVidia releases the 8600 series. Then compare the 8600 to ATi's counter part. Choose which you prefer and go from there. ;)

tweaked
01-05-07, 02:41 PM
it depends what your eyes "see" and whats important to you.
i can perceive a 10 fps shift in either direction in most games quite easily.

but i didn't notice a big difference in IQ between the 9800 - 6800 - 7800 - 8800.

i KNOW the difference is there, i can see it if i study the screen shots. It's just not what i notice in games while playing. I use 16x AF, but AA is totally useless to me.

FYI the display i play on is solid, a 20" Viewsonic LCD. its not that.

my point is thusly, a 7950 may be great for you, and with the jump in speed you are going to have you very well may not care about any possibly perceived lowering of IQ.

Zarich
01-05-07, 02:49 PM
err.. are we talking about an IQ diff only when AF is enabled? because I dont even use AA/AF on my card now. I may use it on the new card. Or are we talking an IQ diff even without AA/AF enabled?

Xion X2
01-05-07, 03:14 PM
Biggest problem w/ the 7-series cards is the shimmering you get on textures that are out in front of you. Things just don't look as clean as they do on the ATi cards of the same gen. The overall richness of the image also isn't as good as what you'll get on a 1900 or 1950 ATi card. And as people have said, the 8-series cards come out on top in image quality.

Zarich
01-05-07, 03:46 PM
I just read somewhere that you can turn off the optimizations that cause shimmer. Is this true? how much performance hit is it?

Xion X2
01-05-07, 06:03 PM
You can turn them off, and it helps a little, but they're still much more evident than on the ATi cards and it kills performance.

Zarich
01-06-07, 12:39 AM
well.. I am glad to be back with nvidias drivers anyway. I hope the texture shimmering isn't too bad. I can live with a little. I don't think I will send it back.

Xion X2
01-06-07, 01:06 AM
It's a good card. I had a 7900GTX for a while which is basically equivalent to the 7950GT. It ran games really good.

Bman212121
01-06-07, 01:25 AM
it depends what your eyes "see" and whats important to you.
i can perceive a 10 fps shift in either direction in most games quite easily.

but i didn't notice a big difference in IQ between the 9800 - 6800 - 7800 - 8800.

i KNOW the difference is there, i can see it if i study the screen shots. It's just not what i notice in games while playing. I use 16x AF, but AA is totally useless to me.

FYI the display i play on is solid, a 20" Viewsonic LCD. its not that.

my point is thusly, a 7950 may be great for you, and with the jump in speed you are going to have you very well may not care about any possibly perceived lowering of IQ.

Same here. I am much more sensitive to fps than detail levels. When I'm in a game I'm not really walking around looking at the scenery, I'm looking for blobs of moving light to shoot at. :D

I honestly think that my 6800GT looks better than my friends 9800pro, but the main reason is because I'm running higher settings. The 9800pro might look better using the same configuration, but I can guarantee it won't be able to do it at the same # of fps. So from my POV, the 7950 will look much better than a 9800pro, because I'm going to be using the best quality settings I can get for each card and keep a similar frame rate, like between 50 - 60 fps.