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3777
01-12-07, 11:00 PM
Allright, now that ASROCK (nana2) has Pentium D 900 series, :cool: Core 2 Duo, & Quad Core 2 Duo CPU's running with AGP.... us AGP'ers wanna know when the DX10 AGP cards are coming!!!! ARE YOU LISTENING NVIDIA PEOPLE, AGP is ready for your cards now!!!! :D

& by the way, those same people buying those ASROCK boards so fast they can't keep them on the shelves are also the ones who would be buying the DX10 cards when you make em!!!! VIVA LA AGP!!!!!! :cool:

SlieTheSecond
01-12-07, 11:16 PM
They still make agp? :)

3777
01-12-07, 11:23 PM
They still make agp? :)

The best way to describe the situation is like this. PCI-E is Clubber Lang, AGP is Rocky, and ASROCK (nana2) is Carl Weathers, and he's gonna make AGP dominate once more!!!!!! :nana:

stncttr908
01-13-07, 02:47 AM
So they should pour R&D money into an AGP DX10 card because you want to run a budget motherboard?

3NZ0
01-13-07, 04:34 AM
If you can afford to upgrade to a dx10 gpu you can afford to move to pci-e

grimreefer
01-13-07, 08:00 AM
didnt they start making pci express mobo's like 3 years ago? (intel 915p and 925x chipsets) cmon, how long does it take to adopt lol.

3777
01-13-07, 11:55 AM
You all don't understand, in an AGP'ers mind, we have the superior graphics interface. :cool: That is why we buy ASROCK (nana2) motherboards. If the market is there for the boards, the market is there for the DX10 cards!

My 6800GT AGP system with DDR memory & Dual Core 64 bit processor screams and plays everything with high settings! If they make the DX10 AGP my next upgrade will be to DDR2 memory and an 8800GT AGP (lee63) and my system will be good for the rest of the decade. :cool:

saturnotaku
01-13-07, 11:59 AM
You all don't understand, in an AGP'ers mind, we have the superior graphics interface.

Yes, slower is clearly better.

My 6800GT AGP system with DDR memory & Dual Core 64 bit processor screams and plays everything with high settings!

You have your system. Then scope out people who are running 8800 GTX machines with 24-inch widescreen displays, playing at 1920x1080 with everything in-game set to the maximum, with 4-16x AA and 16x AF. Then you'll have to have someone remind you that you're drooling.

If you're happy with your machine, more power to you. But don't think for a second that what you have is going to be viable for games such as Crysis or that AGP has anything remotely close to a future after 2007.

3777
01-13-07, 12:11 PM
If you're happy with your machine, more power to you. But don't think for a second that what you have is going to be viable for games such as Crysis or that AGP has anything remotely close to a future after 2007.

That may have been true before sir, but Carl "ASROCK" Weathers changes everything! :cool:

noko
01-13-07, 05:11 PM
ASROCK RULES! I can have both a AGP card and PCIex working at the same time! May try that and put in my 9600 XT with the 8800 GTX :D or 6800GT. . .hmmmm

CaptNKILL
01-13-07, 05:28 PM
ASROCK RULES! I can have both a AGP card and PCIex working at the same time! May try that and put in my 9600 XT with the 8800 GTX :D or 6800GT. . .hmmmm
Why? :p

I would think less power consumption and less hardware heating up your system would be far better than just having another card sitting in your case doing nothing. :p

grey_1
01-13-07, 05:54 PM
Why? :p

I would think less power consumption and less hardware heating up your system would be far better than just having another card sitting in your case doing nothing. :p
:D

Dazz
01-13-07, 06:01 PM
If i recall with the newer features of DX and most of the load now being on the video card won't this statuate the AGP bus and that it may not be feasaible to have decent DX10 cards. But come one move on are you wanting to play the latest games on a Voodoo 2?

3777
01-14-07, 09:34 PM
If i recall with the newer features of DX and most of the load now being on the video card won't this statuate the AGP bus and that it may not be feasaible to have decent DX10 cards. But come one move on are you wanting to play the latest games on a Voodoo 2?

AGP is like the Patriots in the playoffs, Carl ASROCK (nana2) Weathers gives AGP a balanced attack with the modern CPU and if Nvidia develops a card that utilizes both the running & passing aspects of AGP and modern processors then DX10 AGP will dominate once more. :nana:

Blasphemer
01-15-07, 02:21 PM
Look, now i like Asrock as much as the next guy, i appreciated its use of both the AGP slot, and the PCI-E. But the AGP slot is so that people can save money on the initial outlay and upgrade to the PCI-E slot on a later date. AGP is as dead as Apollo Creed (Carl Weathers) was at the end of Rocky IV. Get over it, if they ever make DX10 AGP cards, they will be underpowered and overpriced.
AGP - Rocky IV, PCI-E - Rocky Balboa (2007)

Redeemed
01-15-07, 02:30 PM
3777, you're having wet dreams about some uber DX10 AGP card. Such cards wont exist I'm betting.

Well, let me rephrase that: There wont be a single DX10 AGP card that could match or outperform the 8800GTS.

In all honesty, I think the best card you'd have for AGP would be the X1950 Pro. It'll stomp all over your 6800GT and then some. But there is no DX10 support.

Remember the last AGP card nVidia let out, the 7800GS? That wasn't a king of a performer by any means. I don't even feel it deserved the title of 7800. My 7600GT performed quite similarly to the 7800GS and in some cases out performed it.

Move on. That's the best you can do.

Xion X2
01-15-07, 02:48 PM
Oh for gods sakes. Spend the 100-120$ and buy yourself a PCI-E motherboard and Athlon 64 processor. By the time you factor in how overpriced AGP cards are it won't be any more expensive than buying this along with a PCI-E graphics card that'll match or outperform the AGP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103023

SlieTheSecond
01-15-07, 03:52 PM
That Asus A8N5X is a great motherboard. Overclocks well too. It was my last motherboard, actually I still have it. Trying to sell it on ebay :)

Redeemed
01-15-07, 04:43 PM
Oh for gods sakes. Spend the 100-120$ and buy yourself a PCI-E motherboard and Athlon 64 processor. By the time you factor in how overpriced AGP cards are it won't be any more expensive than buying this along with a PCI-E graphics card that'll match or outperform the AGP.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131569

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103023

So true.

I was in a similar situation as the OP. I had an s754 A64 2800 with an ASUS K8V SE Dlx mobo (AGP). At that time I was using a 6800GT. But I wanted to go PCI-e with the option to go SLi later, yet didn't want to fork out the $$$ to get a new s939 mobo and proc. So... I compromised. I bought the EPoX 8NPA SLi mobo. It is for s754 procs only, but uses the nForce4 SLi MCP. Then I purchased a 7600GT and an A64 3700 (s754). Quite the upgrade from what I had berfore. Then about a month or so later I bought yet another 7600GT for SLi. Wow, that was awesome. :D

Now I'm using the same mobo, and two 8800GTSs. The 3700 got fried so I'm stuck using a 3400 for now. :( Long story... but an upgrade is in the works believe you-me! :p

Just bight the bullet and go PCI-e. AGP is dead. The best card available for AGP is the Radeon X1950 Pro, and it isn't a crippled version of the X1950 Pro either so the performance really is awesome. The downfall is that people have been having stability issues with the card. Go figure.

If you have a 6800GT now, and a mobo that supports both AGP and PCI-e, just get a decent C2D now (maybe the E6400), and later drop a GF 8600 in there. That'd be a huge jump in performance over the 6800GT.

And if you really think that 6800GT is all that- try playing FEAR at 1920x1440, 16xAA, 16xAF, and all in-game options maxed. That 6800GT will crawl as will your framerates.

Heck, try FarCry at 1920x1440, 16xAA, 16xAF, and all in-game options maxed (with the 1.4 patch you should be able to get HDR+AA), and watch that 6800GT continue to crawl along with your fps.

Bman212121
01-15-07, 06:30 PM
I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'd be willing to bet that AGP would cause you to be bus limited. AGP is only speced for 8x performance, (2.2GB per second) where PCI-E x16 is 4.4GB per second. It doesn't make any sense to make a card for an acient bus that can't provide the power needed to run the newest cards. Also, a lot of cards that will fit into the 75W that PCI-E provides, won't fit into AGP's lower power spec.

3777
01-16-07, 05:47 PM
AGP is as dead as Apollo Creed (Carl Weathers) was at the end of Rocky IV. Get over it

ROFL NEVER! (lee63)


Well, let me rephrase that: There wont be a single DX10 AGP card that could match or outperform the 8800GTS.


As long as the card is DX10 and can hdnle the latest & greatest like my 6800GT I don't care if it can equal PCI-E. AGP is more vintage and cool like a classic car. :cool:

I don't have the numbers on hand, but I'd be willing to bet that AGP would cause you to be bus limited. AGP is only speced for 8x performance, (2.2GB per second) where PCI-E x16 is 4.4GB per second. It doesn't make any sense to make a card for an acient bus that can't provide the power needed to run the newest cards. Also, a lot of cards that will fit into the 75W that PCI-E provides, won't fit into AGP's lower power spec.
01-15-07 10:43 PM

I'll take the underpowered vintage DX10 AGP regardless. (nana2) :D

Redeemed
01-16-07, 06:01 PM
ROFL NEVER! (lee63)



As long as the card is DX10 and can hdnle the latest & greatest like my 6800GT I don't care if it can equal PCI-E. AGP is more vintage and cool like a classic car. :cool:



I'll take the underpowered vintage DX10 AGP regardless. (nana2) :D

The 6800GT can barely handle the latest games. You have obviously never ran FEAR, Oblivion, CoJ on your 6800GT at a high resolution with high AA and max in game settings.

By today's standards, the 6800GT is a low-end card. And yes, this is coming from a guy with two 8800GTSs. :cool:

Redeemed
01-16-07, 06:06 PM
Look, your best bet will be to purchase the Radeon X1950 Pro. It will offer a substantial boost in performance over your 6800GT, and will more than likely be the last AGP card.

I'm well aware that the midrange and low end from this generation just might make it to AGP- but I wouldn't hold my breath if I was you. AGP is dead. If you want to game, especially the newer DX10 games, then you should migrate to PCI-e. It will also save you $$$ in the long run.

Vintage can be nice, but when is the last time you saw a Model T win a high-octane drag race? :p

3777
01-16-07, 06:25 PM
The 6800GT can barely handle the latest games. You have obviously never ran FEAR, Oblivion, CoJ on your 6800GT at a high resolution with high AA and max in game settings.

By today's standards, the 6800GT is a low-end card. And yes, this is coming from a guy with two 8800GTSs. :cool:

Thanks to Carl ASROCK (nana2) Weathers I can now play BF2142 on high settings, 2aa, 1152xblabla 85mhx settings which is perfect for my eyes. Anything stronger and I get a headache. :cool:

If the ATI was DX10 i'd be interested, I only want a DX10. I am sure there will be a market for them and someone should offer DX10 AGP now that AGPer's have the modern processors thanks to Carl Weathers. (nana2) :D

Treason
01-16-07, 06:30 PM
Let's keep AGP in the AMD market. They've got it cornered with the X1950 PRO.