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SH0DAN
01-15-07, 05:37 PM
[QUOTE=Xion X2]Are you serious with this? Nothing in this game will slow performance down like smoke effects will.

:banghead:

And what the hell is this? You call this a "dry and empty area?" There are soldiers, smoke effects, tanks, and fire effects on the screen all at the same time. And note the frame counter.




Dont bother wasting your time Xion,1983 is blind,and doesnt know what he's jabbering on about. :)

Xion X2
01-15-07, 05:44 PM
Exactly! When comparing 16xAA to another AA mode (in CoD2) you can see how well it runs!

You're on a different wavelength. The specific comparison I was making when you quoted me is my system @ 16xAA compared to his system at the SAME AA level on COD2. I don't know why you're trying to introduce the tangent that you are here.

Eliminator
01-15-07, 06:21 PM
well if theyre using quad sli to run the game at 1920x1200 and we all know quad sli doesnt do much then i might be saved with my 7950gx2 :)

icecold1983
01-15-07, 06:23 PM
icecold, you are about the most blind person I've seen.

Have you even tried oc'ing that E6600 of yours? My 8800GTSs with a s754 3400 is pushing better fps than you claim your GTX is getting. And that s754 3400 is a huge bottleneck for these cards.

And Icecold, I am playing everygame at 1920x1440- a resolution that is higher than what you are using. Furthermore, I'm also using 16xAA without noticing any of the performance drops you mention. And this is with FRAPS running and me focusing mostly on the fps count than the game.

You, my friend, are a n00b. I am not convinced that you have no clue how to configure your PC.

So, I shall throw some tips out there for you:

OC that E6600 as high as you can. Trust me, this will greatly help your 8800GTX out. The difference should be night and day.

Since you are not running SLi, enable both vsync and triple buffering.

Get a cat-scan. :p (j/k)

Dude, I don't know what else to say. The 8800GTX is a beast. You posted reviews, I guess it's my turn to do the same:

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/415/3/

^^^ In that review, the single 8800GTX is pretty close to the X1950XTX CrossFire setup. Pretty d@mn impressive.

http://www.overclockers.com/articles1390/

http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?cat=grfx&id=474&pagenumber=5

http://www.************/read.php?cID=1005&pageID=2793

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2870&p=22

At 2560x1600 with 4xAA- the 8800GTX (single) finally gets this 30fps minimum you're talking about.

Dude, nearly every bench mark states the opposite of what you are claiming. This is why I'm convinced you do not know how to optimize your rig. OC that E6600 to as close to 3.5GHz as you can, then enable vsync and triple buffering. Prepare to be amazed.

If you still have issues, here is my advice- give up doing anything in regards to PC gaming. You obviously can't figure it out, and you refuse to listen to anybody whom tries to help you. Thus, a console is better for you.

Hope that helps. ;)

redeemed when you are gpu limited overclocking your cpu has no effect....how can u not understand that.

your running sli'd 8800 gts which is faster than a single gtx.

u still seem to have no understanding of what a minimum framerate is..... until u at least understand basic things about 3d graphics u shouldnt be calling anyone a newb. u arent even knowledgeable about the new aa modes...

J-Mag
01-15-07, 06:28 PM
You're on a different wavelength. The specific comparison I was making when you quoted me is my system @ 16xAA compared to his system at the SAME AA level on COD2. I don't know why you're trying to introduce the tangent that you are here.

Actually I quoted a response of yours that was directed towards my first post in this thread (which incidentally was not quoting you and ice's current bickering, just a general comment about 16xAAs performance), but whatever... It really doesn't matter you don't have to get all bent out of shape.

icecold1983
01-15-07, 06:35 PM
zion these are action scenes

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/620/620769/img_3106309.html
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/297/reviews/921995_20051025_screen006.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/178/921995_20050628_screen003.jpg

Redeemed
01-15-07, 07:32 PM
redeemed when you are gpu limited overclocking your cpu has no effect....how can u not understand that.

your running sli'd 8800 gts which is faster than a single gtx.

u still seem to have no understanding of what a minimum framerate is..... until u at least understand basic things about 3d graphics u shouldnt be calling anyone a newb. u arent even knowledgeable about the new aa modes...

Okay icecold- you aren't understanding that we are trying to explain to you that the no game for the PC can actually tax the 8800s. Thus, there is no GPU limitation- except for maybe at a resolution of 2560x1600. But for the resolution you are using, there is no GPU limitation.

And I no exactly what a "minimum framerate" is, as I also understand the method of AA being used. Do you realise that there is a difference between 16xAA and 16xQ? I think that you do not.

Any how, on what grounds do you have to tell me what I know? lol Very cute move there. :wtf:

Considering that you are the only person (Okay, I'll be politically correct for you- you are of the minority of all 8800 owners) having such piss-poor results with your 8800GTX, I find it hard to consider you as being very credible.

Redeemed
01-15-07, 07:34 PM
zion these are action scenes

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/620/620769/img_3106309.html
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/297/reviews/921995_20051025_screen006.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/178/921995_20050628_screen003.jpg

lol

Dude, he posted a comparable screen to those where he was getting just under 60fps.

Wow. Just wow.

Bokishi
01-15-07, 08:23 PM
I've got the exact same setup as IceCold, and 16xAA runs great.

Redeemed
01-15-07, 08:27 PM
I've got the exact same setup as IceCold, and 16xAA runs great.

j00 must be liar! EyesClosed n0es aallzz. :p

(j/k Icecold. ;) )

nekrosoft13
01-15-07, 08:31 PM
I've got the exact same setup as IceCold, and 16xAA runs great.

don't take anything that icecold says seriously

icecold1983
01-15-07, 08:35 PM
Okay icecold- you aren't understanding that we are trying to explain to you that the no game for the PC can actually tax the 8800s. Thus, there is no GPU limitation- except for maybe at a resolution of 2560x1600. But for the resolution you are using, there is no GPU limitation.

And I no exactly what a "minimum framerate" is, as I also understand the method of AA being used. Do you realise that there is a difference between 16xAA and 16xQ? I think that you do not.

Any how, on what grounds do you have to tell me what I know? lol Very cute move there. :wtf:

Considering that you are the only person (Okay, I'll be politically correct for you- you are of the minority of all 8800 owners) having such piss-poor results with your 8800GTX, I find it hard to consider you as being very credible.


rly?

i can name a bunch of games that are gpu limited at my res.

trackmania
fear
oblivion
coh
cod 2
dark messiah
gothic 3
nwn 2
serious sam 2
prey
everquest 2

if u think the 8800 isnt gpu limited then u must not have ever looked at a benchmark. WHEN A BENCHMARK HAS AN AVG FPS OF 55 U CAN BET UR ASS THE MINIMUM WILL BE CLOSE TO 30. i play trackmania united every day and know for a fact that game can bring an 8800 to its knees, so did dark messiah in certain areas, or when using certain weapons/spells. oblivion can bring an 8800 to the teens with grass fade set to maximum. fear xp brings an 8800 to its teens when fighting in slow mo, other times to the 20s when walking in certain rooms.

fear pics with fps

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7939/3pu1.th.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3pu1.jpg)
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9876/4nh4.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=4nh4.jpg)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9546/5xa7.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=5xa7.jpg)
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/2382/6pk2.th.jpg (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=6pk2.jpg)
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7477/7nn1.th.jpg (http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=7nn1.jpg)

now when u mix that with this

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/1155/136gx0.th.jpg (http://img201.imageshack.us/my.php?image=136gx0.jpg)
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/674/2av6.th.jpg (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2av6.jpg)

ur going to have a high average.

Redeemed
01-15-07, 08:44 PM
rly?

i can name a bunch of games that are gpu limited at my res.

trackmania
fear
oblivion
coh
cod 2
dark messiah
gothic 3
nwn 2
serious sam 2
prey
everquest 2

if u think the 8800 isnt gpu limited then u must not have ever looked at a benchmark. WHEN A BENCHMARK HAS AN AVG FPS OF 55 U CAN BET UR ASS THE MINIMUM WILL BE CLOSE TO 30. i play trackmania united every day and know for a fact that game can bring an 8800 to its knees, so did dark messiah in certain areas, or when using certain weapons/spells. oblivion can bring an 8800 to the teens with grass fade set to maximum. fear xp brings an 8800 to its teens when fighting in slow mo, other times to the 20s when walking in certain rooms.

Okay. God hates you. That is the only explanation I can give you for your system performing so poorly. God must hate you thus he hath released his wrath uponeth youeth. :p

Again, I'm playing FEAR XP at 1920x1440, with 16xAA, 16xAF, and all in-game options maxed. It never dips below 30fps except for slo-mo. DUH! Slo-mo is not intended to run at high fps, part of the effect is only achieved by a slower fps.

I have noticed on occassions where I'll be walking through a room or a hall, and suddenly I can't really move forward, it is like there is an invisible wall the character is running into. After a few seconds the game continues as normal. That, though, is a software bug- be it the drivers, or the game.

And I've looked at plenty of reviews, obviously as I posted quite a few. I'll be honest, I think you are really dumb and don't know how to properly configure your PC yet are too stubborn to accept advice- or you are just a troll seeking attention.

Either way, I'm done with this pointless debate. Do us all a favor- buy a console and leave the PC gaming to people that can actually figure it out. :p

crainger
01-15-07, 08:47 PM
LOL

icecold1983
01-15-07, 08:51 PM
slow mo is suppose to slow down the fps? BAHAHAHA u are one of the most ignorant posters, u obviously dont know anything about 3d graphics. slow motion does not intentionally slow down the fps, email the developers and ask them for urself.

i guess hardocp doesnt know anything about computers either right? seeing as they have echoed exactly what i am saying, even with a faster cpu.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxNCwsMTUw

'There are some places in the game where we saw the framerates tank, even on the BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX when antialiasing was enabled."

they are playing at a lower res with less aa than you and still notice the same issues i do. but im sure they are just ignorant and have no idea what they are doing and ur just a super genius who knows something the entire world doesnt and u have managed to get fear to perform better than anyone in the world.

its funny how people will argue in the face of factual evidence. i mean an avg fps of 55 is staring u right there in the face on a benchmark and ur sitting there cliaming fps never drops. rofl some people have no common sense

Xion X2
01-15-07, 09:04 PM
zion these are action scenes

http://media.pc.ign.com/media/620/620769/img_3106309.html
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/297/reviews/921995_20051025_screen006.jpg
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/178/921995_20050628_screen003.jpg

icecold, my game ran at a steady 55-60 fps on that D-Day board on the beach where you climb the mountain on a rope. It never dropped.. even with about 30-40 soldiers on the screen at once and gunfire all around you.

I would post some screens but I reformatted my computer when I switched motherboards this past weekend. But you're pissing me off so much with your bone-headedness that I might just have to fire her up with fraps again to prove a point.

And overclocking your processor CAN make a difference in performance in complex scenes. Some scenes are CPU-limited when you have several characters running around on-screen. Just what in the heck do you think runs the A.I. and physics in games? Your graphics card!?

icecold1983
01-15-07, 09:08 PM
when lowering graphic options increases your fps, your gpu limited.

and im sure ur fps just stayed at 55 to 60, never dropping. u must have an 8800 with magic transistors since everyone knows the min fps is always well below the avg.

Xion X2
01-15-07, 09:11 PM
its funny how people will argue in the face of factual evidence. i mean an avg fps of 55 is staring u right there in the face on a benchmark and ur sitting there cliaming fps never drops. rofl some people have no common sense

An "avg" of 55 fps doesn't necessitate a tank in fps of 30, you nimrod. If the minimum fps I get in a game is 50 but it stays there the majority of the time and I get 80+ in some other areas 20% of the time it could bring the average close to 55.

You need to go back to grade school.

Redeemed
01-15-07, 09:22 PM
slow mo is suppose to slow down the fps? BAHAHAHA u are one of the most ignorant posters, u obviously dont know anything about 3d graphics. slow motion does not intentionally slow down the fps, email the developers and ask them for urself.

i guess hardocp doesnt know anything about computers either right? seeing as they have echoed exactly what i am saying, even with a faster cpu.

http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTIxOCwxNCwsMTUw

'There are some places in the game where we saw the framerates tank, even on the BFGTech GeForce 8800 GTX when antialiasing was enabled."

they are playing at a lower res with less aa than you and still notice the same issues i do. but im sure they are just ignorant and have no idea what they are doing and ur just a super genius who knows something the entire world doesnt and u have managed to get fear to perform better than anyone in the world.

its funny how people will argue in the face of factual evidence. i mean an avg fps of 55 is staring u right there in the face on a benchmark and ur sitting there cliaming fps never drops. rofl some people have no common sense

I'm sorry, but I lied. This would make the second time that I claimed I'd leave the thread- yet came back! lol :p

Don't know why, but I find this debate kinda' fun. :D

Okay, all-knowing-one-Icecold, why don't you explain to us why the fps is supposed to remain high in slow mo? You seem to know so much about "3d graphics", share with us- explain to us why the fps should not change when using "slo-mo".

Mind you, I also noticed this dip in fps when using slo-mo on my 7600GT SLi setup, as well as when I was using my single 6800GT. I'd have high fps and then when I use slo-mo it'd dip on both the 7600GT SLi setup and the single 6800GT.

So, explain to us how this is wrong. Explain to us why the fps should not dip. Get technical. I'm interested in seeing you back this up.

I should also mention about FEAR, there are times when I'll enter an empty room- absolutely NOTHING happening in there, and nothing that would be a graphical strain, yet it'll still chop up. Mind you, it never did this with my two 7600GTs nor with my single 6800GT. That is what we call a bug, or a glitch. It happens. As soon as I leave the room, my fps sky-rockets, even if I'm entering a fire-fight!

So go on, I await this technical explaination from you. If you refuse to explain, then I chalk you up as an ignorant troll.

Bring on your technologically superior knowledge buddy. Educate us. I'll be waiting...

nekrosoft13
01-15-07, 09:29 PM
why are these discussions with this icebraindeadcold still going on?

Redeemed
01-15-07, 09:31 PM
why are these discussions with this icebraindeadcold still going on?

lol

I don't know, maybe I'm just that bored- but it passes the time. :p

Roadhog
01-15-07, 09:53 PM
http://www.lfsforum.net/images/smilies/bananadead3.gif

Xion X2
01-15-07, 10:21 PM
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23537&stc=1&d=1168921219
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23538&stc=1&d=1168921219
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http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23540&stc=1&d=1168920820

Xion X2
01-15-07, 10:24 PM
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23541&stc=1&d=1168921351
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23542&stc=1&d=1168920964
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http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=23545&stc=1&d=1168920964

Now will you shut up? Please?

The lowest my game ever dropped was 45fps, and that was just for a split-second. For the most part it plays at 52fps or above as you see in the screenshots. This is with my GTX running at stock speeds and my CPU @ 3.2gHz. Before when I played through the game I had my CPU @ 3.5gHz and my GTX @ 650/2100 and it gave it an extra 3-5fps on average, landing it right in the 55-60fps range like I originally said it always ran at.

Now since you're playing at a higher res than I am, I can understand your framerate being slightly lower, but not 20-25fps lower. Your computer is not optimized properly. You might want to try overclocking your processor and graphics card a little if the performance you're getting isn't cutting it. Also make sure that you have all your Windows Updates and run daily spyware/adware scanners.

And it's not like you couldn't turn off "insane" corpses or "detailed smoke edges = everything" in the COD2 menu and get a much downgraded experience, either. That would probably free up 4-5 more fps you could use.

Other than that advice and the advice that's already been given you, I don't know what else to say. You're being too hard on the 8800GTX while you praise these stupid consoles that can't run an 1/8th of the AA that you see in these pictures at the same kind of performance. You refuse to believe what anyone here is telling you and the screenshots that people are posting that prove you wrong. Not a single person on this forum agrees with what you're saying, so you pull some online article out of your ass where the people in question were probably running on newly released drivers or something. Fine. That's one individual that says you're right against about 5-6 on this one thread that say you're wrong.

icecold1983
01-15-07, 11:49 PM
I'm sorry, but I lied. This would make the second time that I claimed I'd leave the thread- yet came back! lol :p

Don't know why, but I find this debate kinda' fun. :D

Okay, all-knowing-one-Icecold, why don't you explain to us why the fps is supposed to remain high in slow mo? You seem to know so much about "3d graphics", share with us- explain to us why the fps should not change when using "slo-mo".

Mind you, I also noticed this dip in fps when using slo-mo on my 7600GT SLi setup, as well as when I was using my single 6800GT. I'd have high fps and then when I use slo-mo it'd dip on both the 7600GT SLi setup and the single 6800GT.

So, explain to us how this is wrong. Explain to us why the fps should not dip. Get technical. I'm interested in seeing you back this up.

I should also mention about FEAR, there are times when I'll enter an empty room- absolutely NOTHING happening in there, and nothing that would be a graphical strain, yet it'll still chop up. Mind you, it never did this with my two 7600GTs nor with my single 6800GT. That is what we call a bug, or a glitch. It happens. As soon as I leave the room, my fps sky-rockets, even if I'm entering a fire-fight!

So go on, I await this technical explaination from you. If you refuse to explain, then I chalk you up as an ignorant troll.

Bring on your technologically superior knowledge buddy. Educate us. I'll be waiting...

achieving a slow motion effect has nothing to do with fps. its just a matter of lessening the ammt of gamespace moved per frame. to test this simply turn on slow mo in an empty room and see if ur fps drops to the teens. the reason u would never intentionally lower the framerate of ur game to 17 fps is because it creates tremendous mouse lag.

and ive never said the 8800 is a bad card or that it isnt very fast, if thought it was id have returned it or sold it on ebay long ago. i plan to buy a 2nd one if r600 isnt better. but the card has limits and its annoying seeing people make ridiculous claims that no game is gpu limited.