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Arioch
01-16-07, 03:29 AM
I have looked through a couple places but its hard to get the exact answers when having to wade through a lot of useless posts so I thought I would post this here.

1. I have a Westinghouse LVM-37W3 with a native resolution of 1080p. Will PS3 games upscale to that resolution without any issues? I have heard of issues with older tvs being forced down to 480p but I assume I should not worry about that.

2. For those that watch BD movies on this, how does the quality match up to that of standalone units. As a reference, I find the Xbox 360's HD-DVD addon to work well enough.

3. Outside of getting Resistance, what are some big titles I can look forward to soon?

With the apparent titles coming out for BD this year it appears there are more movies I want that are BD only than HD-DVD so I am planning on buying this for its dual usage for movie watching/gaming.

Thanks!

Bad_Boy
01-16-07, 06:12 AM
I have looked through a couple places but its hard to get the exact answers when having to wade through a lot of useless posts so I thought I would post this here.I'll try my best. :o


1. I have a Westinghouse LVM-37W3 with a native resolution of 1080p. Will PS3 games upscale to that resolution without any issues? I have heard of issues with older tvs being forced down to 480p but I assume I should not worry about that.Your monitor/hdtv should upscale everything for you. My cousin has that same and it works fine except for one thing. Theres a handshake issue with HDMI so you might have to get a HDMI to DVI converter. There wont be any forced 480p on that monitor, so you should be fine.


2. For those that watch BD movies on this, how does the quality match up to that of standalone units. As a reference, I find the Xbox 360's HD-DVD addon to work well enough.The quality is currently on par if not better than standalone units. And firmware updates will only improve it. The only negative is that theres no IR sensor, so you cannot use a universal remote for it. Theres a PS3 bluetooth remote you can buy for about 24 dollars. The positive of using a bluetooh remote is that you wont have to aim the remote to the PS3 to make it work, infact you could turn it on from another room.


3. Outside of getting Resistance, what are some big titles I can look forward to soon? Honestly, theres not much right now out. Theres downloadables which are fun for a while (tekken, flOw, gripshift, lemmings, sudoku, etc.) Pretty good prices for those, but of course you dont buy a PS3 for the downloadables. The good games dont start hitting until around February/March. F1 racing, Motorstorm, Oblivion, Heavenly Sword, Virtua Fighter 5, Virtua Tennis 3, Fatal Inertia, Eye of Judgement, MLB the Show, College Hoops 2k7, etc. All these come out either march or february.

I preordered VF5, Motorstorm and Heavenly Sword so far. But until those come out I've ben playing resistance, RR7, downloadables, nba2k7, madden, and fight night to hold me over.


With the apparent titles coming out for BD this year it appears there are more movies I want that are BD only than HD-DVD so I am planning on buying this for its dual usage for movie watching/gaming.Yeah, there were some good announcments during CES this year. A lot to look forward to. Theres still a couple HD-DVD's that I wish were on blu-ray though. :o


Thanks!
NP. :)

OWA
01-16-07, 08:56 AM
Yeah, it should work fine on the LVM-37W3. I'm using it with the LVM-37W1 and it's working great.

I haven't compared the PS3 to a standalone blu-ray player but if you're happy with the HD-DVD addon for the x360, I think you'll be happy with the PS3 blu-ray player. I have both and think they both do a good job.

LurkerLito
01-16-07, 09:39 AM
I haven't compared the PS3 blu-ray vs standalone, but according to people on avsforum it is one of the best blu-ray players out now. As far as the HD-DVD add on. If you have noticed the DD+ sound conversion bug, then you'll love the PS3 blu-ray player. It sounds so much better than the add on. I think it is a HUGE mistake for MS to hold that update till the next major update. As far as picture quality, when encoded well like black hawk down, there is almost no difference, but when encoded poorly like stargate, then the difference can be huge. The one thing I really like about HD-DVD is they did encode pretty much every movie I have bought properly, unlike BR, where it seems some movies were not given much attention at all.

bad_boy: flOw? I played the web game but I didn't see it at the ps store. I didn't think it was out yet.

Bad_Boy
01-16-07, 09:47 AM
bad_boy: flOw? I played the web game but I didn't see it at the ps store. I didn't think it was out yet.
Nah but it should be out pretty soon. Rumor is, within the next week or so.

Arioch
01-16-07, 03:48 PM
Thanks for all the feedback. I have read on the AVSforums about "handshaking" issues the PS3 is having with some sets so hopefully there will be further updates to the firmware coming from Sony.

OWA
01-16-07, 04:17 PM
BTW, I'm using a HDMI-to-DVI cable with the LVM-37W1 since it doesn't have HDMI. I used the standard cable supplied with the PS3 to provide the audio.

Bad_Boy
01-16-07, 05:55 PM
Thanks for all the feedback. I have read on the AVSforums about "handshaking" issues the PS3 is having with some sets so hopefully there will be further updates to the firmware coming from Sony.
Yeah my cousin has the same issue with his Westinghouse, fixed it by using a HDMI-to-DVI cable.

Arioch
01-16-07, 06:16 PM
Yeah my cousin has the same issue with his Westinghouse, fixed it by using a HDMI-to-DVI cable.

Well that would solve my input issues. I am currently using my 360 on VGA and my HD cable box on HDMI.

evilchris
01-16-07, 06:32 PM
Does the PS3 have spdif or dcoax out? If not, you have to sacrifice any advanced audio due to handshake issues?

Bad_Boy
01-16-07, 06:34 PM
Well that would solve my input issues. I am currently using my 360 on VGA and my HD cable box on HDMI.
Sounds like it should workout then. :)
monoprice should have some fair prices converters.

Marvel_us
01-16-07, 08:15 PM
It has an optical audio output, and I believe you can get an AV cable with a digital audio out on it.

Even if you're using the HDMI, the sound can be routed through the optical output.

Or analog.

evilchris
01-16-07, 09:50 PM
You won't want to do that though, it would defeat half the purpose of BD which is HD sound. LPCM and any of the advanced audio codecs cannot be bassed by spdif or composite l/r. HDMI or discrete analog outs are required.

Nv40
01-17-07, 12:28 AM
Anyone knows if this monitor will work with the PS3 ?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009089


It doesnt have HDMI conectors ,but its 1080p with an optimal resolution of 1900x1200. and its 24'' inches.. with 1000:1 contrast..

is there any disadvantage by not having HDMI Conector?

Lyme
01-17-07, 03:29 PM
I'm pretty sure Blu-Ray will only display at 1080P if you're using the HDMI connector.

That isn't completely true. For both BlueRay and HDDVD there is a setting on the disc that enforces the degredation of video when not playing over a HDMI compliant connection (player->connector->tv/monitor). Currently the downsampling when over a non-compliant connections is not being downsampled, but the major players have said they will start releasing protected disc's in ?2010?

Arioch
01-20-07, 03:09 AM
I can't seem to find an "official" HDMI cable for Sony anywhere or am I missing something? I guess I will just pick up a cheap set somewhere.

*Edit* The PS3 uses a regular HDMI cable correct? I will just use the one I have currently hooked up to my HD cable box at the moment. I will then hook the cable box up with DVI or component.

Bad_Boy
01-20-07, 03:48 AM
Yeah any hdmi cable will work. I'd buy one off monoprice, around 10 dollars shipped. I get all my cables from there.

Arioch
01-20-07, 04:14 AM
Well I was going to walk into EBgames this weekend and pick up a PS3 but I had some money in Paypal to use so I ordered the bundle that is currently at Newegg. I comes with a 60GB unit, an extra wireless controller, Resistance, and COD3. I was planning on getting an extra controller and Resistance anyway but I already have COD3 on my 360. I will end up giving my 360 copy to a friend of mine for his birthday next week.

My only problem now is that I have 3 devices that will use a fiber optic audio cable and only two inputs on my home theater system. I guess I can find my a 2-to-1 splitter for my 360/PS3 and keep the other one dedicated to my HD cable box. I am looking forward to being able to get any HD movie title and not worry about which format it is. If a movie is on both I will research and see if one has better quality than the other os simply buy the cheapest one. I need something to take advantage of my new 1080p 37" LCDTV.

Well after I get my new PC in a couple of weeks I am done with all my techno upgrades for a year at least.

OWA
01-20-07, 06:55 AM
These two links were provided by evilchris and have been helpful to me.

The blu-ray list is here: http://www.avsforum.com:80/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=753726

The HD-DVD list is here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=705387

I don't always agree with their rankings though. For example, in the blu-ray list he has Stargate in Tier 2 and out of the 19 blu-ray movies that I have, that is the only one I've been disappointed in. So, if it was my list, I'd have it in Tier 4. Also, when I first got the PS3, I ended up buying a movie from each tier just to see how much of a difference I'd notice. Because of that, I purchased The Fifth Element since it was a Tier 4 but I think it should be higher and definitely higher than Stargate. So, my point is, it's a nice reference but bear in mind that the rankings are still subjective. I think he goes with the majority in most cases though.

thor1182
01-22-07, 11:58 AM
something to keep in mind about PS3 and HDMI:
http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/01/22/mmr/

if you know that there are issues with it, and go straight for configurations that work, or a lucky one that gets it to work right from the get go, it always makes setting those kind of things simpler.

An hour to correctly connect and configure our PS3? Yes, you read that correctly. I know that sounds ridiculous. After all, we had six THG editors at the apartment, and how many editors should it take to connect the damn console? Well, here's why it took so long. First, the PS3 would not automatically detect and broadcast the video signal using the HDMI connection. We had to connect with the regular composite cables provided with the system, then boot into the PS3 OS and manually change the output to HDMI. But it didn't end there, sadly. All we got was the superb picture but not the game audio.

So we had to manually change the sound output to also use HDMI. This worked well within the PS3 OS itself, but once the game started, all audio cut out. We tried changing the audio format in which the PS3 would broadcast, but nothing worked for the game. Eventually, we had to abandon HDMI audio and hook the PS3 directly to the receiver with the digital optical audio cable, then boot back into the PS3 OS and once again change the audio options. It was an aggravating mess that took far too long to solve. Part of the problem was that all of us were convinced there was a way to get the HDMI sound output working, and we kept at it like we were Vladimir and Estragon in "Waiting for Godot."

tornadog
01-22-07, 12:39 PM
I have to say I am really impressed with the refurbished Viewsonic n3250w 32" I got last year from Frys for $450. It came without a scratch or marking, had zero dead pixels and except for Component YCPr(no video, only audio), works great on all inputs. I didnt have a chance to test HDMI till now. But when I connected the PS3, and set it to HDMI, it worked with no hitches. I have my 360 hooked on the YPbPr component, and my PS3 will go on the HDMI. Only problem is it doesnt do 1080P, but for some reason, when I ran the blueray movie disc, it showed resolution as 1920 x 1080. Resistance showed up as 1280 x 720 which I am assuming is 720P.

thor1182
01-22-07, 12:51 PM
the PS3 lacks a scaler, so what ever res the game/movie is coded at, the PS3 will display at.

Marvel_us
01-22-07, 01:57 PM
the PS3 lacks a scaler, so what ever res the game/movie is coded at, the PS3 will display at.

That's not what he really asked, nor is that entirely true.

I have my 360 hooked on the YPbPr component, and my PS3 will go on the HDMI. Only problem is it doesnt do 1080P, but for some reason, when I ran the blueray movie disc, it showed resolution as 1920 x 1080. Resistance showed up as 1280 x 720 which I am assuming is 720P.

Does your TV support 1080p? 1920x1080 would be 1080p and 1280 x 720 is 720p. By default all Blu-ray movies will display at whatever YOU set your PS3 to display. If you go to Display Settings you can select only one HD res and the PS3 will use that one. Resistance will only show at 720p because the game itself does not support anything higher.

thor1182
01-22-07, 01:59 PM
no its not what he asked, but it does somewhat answer the question, however I do acknowledge that what I said is a bit misleading unless you know better.

Marvel_us
01-22-07, 02:04 PM
no its not what he asked, but it does somewhat answer the question, however I do acknowledge that what I said is a bit misleading unless you know better.

Well I have personally experimented with this and it works. Forgot to mention that you need the latest update for it to work like that.

The scaler issue is only a problem if his TV can only output 1080i/480p res nothing more.