Forceware X 100.30 Vista x86/x64 dated 12/14/2006 for 8800's

[Lateralus]

ehmm when you start a game Vista automaticly stops services and gives the all of the system resources.

then it is REALLY a game oriented OS.

But that works only if one uses Vista's game launcher? and also, does vista's game launcher only works with games branded officialy as "games for windows"?

[aydc]

ehmm when you start a game Vista automaticly stops services and gives the all of the system resources.

That's a myth spread by Microsoft to defend their bloatware. In reality, there's a discernible difference in system performance with services set to automatic and disabled.

You can always just install Vista and disable the services you don't want, only takes about 5 minutes if you know what you're doing.

Again, you're speaking theoretically. In reality, you can face many problems doing that. For example in Vista, I disabled Windows Defender service since I don't use it. Then Security Center started giving alarms. Windows Update didn't realize I turned the service off so it still tried to download updates for Windows Defender and gave errors when it couldn't install them.

On the contrary, when took Windows Defender out of the install DVDs and burned a new DVD without it using vLite, I get no errors at all. So in my experience, it's always better to use nLite for XP and vLite for Vista to take stuff that you don't use out.

[Phyxion]

then it is REALLY a game oriented OS.

But that works only if one uses Vista's game launcher? and also, does vista's game launcher only works with games branded officialy as "games for windows"?
As far as I know it's for 2D and 3D software.

[Princess_Frosty]

That's a myth spread by Microsoft to defend their bloatware. In reality, there's a discernible difference in system performance with services set to automatic and disabled.



Again, you're speaking theoretically. In reality, you can face many problems doing that. For example in Vista, I disabled Windows Defender service since I don't use it. Then Security Center started giving alarms. Windows Update didn't realize I turned the service off so it still tried to download updates for Windows Defender and gave errors when it couldn't install them.

On the contrary, when took Windows Defender out of the install DVDs and burned a new DVD without it using vLite, I get no errors at all. So in my experience, it's always better to use nLite for XP and vLite for Vista to take stuff that you don't use out.

Vista does stop certain services but not many, I think its more or less limited to anything using the GPU, so primarily the aero interface. Even so Vista performance tends to be slightly slower still.

I disabled defender myself last time I installed vista and also disabled the security center, you get set the reporting to disabled if you need to.

[bobobinbobo]

My unscientific Oblivion test follows. Specs are 8800GTX, 1600x1200, E6600, 2GB.

Game settings were set to ultra high, hdr on, all settings in-game to on or maxed out. I've not added any mods, however, I did change some config settings per http://www.gamespot.com/features/6148788/p-2.html but I've not yet installed any mods.

I had a save point in the sewers at the beginning of the game, which showed ~100FPS, right outside the sewer when you first exit to the outdoors I was getting ~85FPS. Measured from in-game.

Also of note, I left taskmgr running on my second monitor (as well as my couple gadgets), I noted that Aero dropped to Aero basic and that in the interior savegame oblivion was running with about ~250MB private memory and in the exterior savegame it was running around ~450MB. I didn't see the process get too much over 45-50% (more than a single core). Total physical RAM usage while playing oblivion, having outlook, the gadgets, onecare, services, etc was about 55%.

It seems there's not a standard place to get perf numbers and no timedemo, while these scenes are pretty simple, they're easily accessible since they're at the beginning of the game and could easily be replicated without much work for comparisons.


Again, not very scientific and a quick test. Also, I'm not entirely clear on the AA settings, the default application settings should make it 4xAA and 8x aniso, but I didn't try and verify that was the case. I also don't have handy XP numbers for comparison, sorry.

[DarkJedi664]

Vista is only bloated because it has a lot of programs built in. I mean, do those programs steal away resources when not used? NO! It makes me laugh when these people complain about Vista. Have fun using XP!

[aydc]

I use this program instead of the default services interface:

http://p-nand-q.com/download/pserv_cpl/pserv-2.6.exe

It can export and import your services settings, so after a reformat you don't have to adjust them one by one again. Works great on Vista, highly recommended.

PS. I realize this stuff is slightly off-topic, but a lot of G80 users will be installing Vista for the first time after the release of these drivers, so they'll need these tips.

[aydc]

Vista is only bloated because it has a lot of programs built in. I mean, do those programs steal away resources when not used? NO! It makes me laugh when these people complain about Vista. Have fun using XP!

After installing Vista, just run task manager and look at all the programs running. Compare that to XP. Then come back here and apologize. :) :)

[DarkJedi664]

And yet, Vista feels faster than XP, and looks prettier too, and is more stable...yeah, I'll go back to XP alright!

Maybe if you don't want bloat, you should use Windows 95, or even use Linux! Until you see a slow down in Vista, over XP, you have no basis to complain. Sure you don't like it, but guess what? You can always NOT USE IT! It's not like Microsoft is forcing you to use Vista. Don't like it? Don't use it!

[aydc]

Sure you don't like it, but guess what? You can always NOT USE IT! It's not like Microsoft is forcing you to use Vista. Don't like it? Don't use it!

Cool down dude! You're gonna injure yourself. :p

Microsoft IS forcing me to use Vista. They have artificially tied DirectX 10 to Vista so that XP users MUST upgrade. There's no technical reason why dx10 shouldn't work under XP, it's just marketing. :thumbdwn:

[NoWayDude]

Cool down dude! You're gonna injure yourself. :p

Microsoft IS forcing me to use Vista. They have artificially tied DirectX 10 to Vista so that XP users MUST upgrade. There's no technical reason why dx10 shouldn't work under XP, it's just marketing. :thumbdwn:


Actually, there is a reason for it.

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37638

Could and would are 2 words that differ immensely in technology this days

[Xophile]

aydc:

How do you export/import service-settings for that application you recommended? I can't seem to find it...

[chiklit]

Cool down dude! You're gonna injure yourself. :p

Microsoft IS forcing me to use Vista. They have artificially tied DirectX 10 to Vista so that XP users MUST upgrade. There's no technical reason why dx10 shouldn't work under XP, it's just marketing. :thumbdwn:

Nobody's forcing you to continue playing the latest games. :P

[aydc]

aydc:

How do you export/import service-settings for that application you recommended? I can't seem to find it...

From Templates menu.... "Export as XML" exports, "Apply XML Template" imports.

[aydc]

Nobody's forcing you to continue playing the latest games. :P

If we didn't feel forced to play the latest games, use the latest OS, install the latest drivers, we wouldn't be here would we? It's a primal instinct forcing me to use the latest of anything. :)

When XP was released, a few games were released as "XP Only". A few days later simple hacks were released to make them work on Windows 2000 so it was apparent that XP didn't really bring anything new in terms of gaming. They do this all the time to sell their OS.

I don't like Vista because it feels too bloated to me. XP feels very lean and fast compared to it. I have a fast computer, Core2 Duo E6600 with 2GB DDR667, still I get slow downs while using Vista because some service like Indexer suddenly start working doing something that I don't need at all.

That's all I'm going to say about this. Everyone will make their own choice. I'll be using Vista too, but only because I have to.

[akaliel]

I got a few lockups last night after installing these. Once while sitting idle on the desktop, another while WoW was running it's day long patching process (don't get me started). Anybody else have lockups after installing these drivers?

[Princess_Frosty]

And yet, Vista feels faster than XP, and looks prettier too, and is more stable...yeah, I'll go back to XP alright!

Maybe if you don't want bloat, you should use Windows 95, or even use Linux! Until you see a slow down in Vista, over XP, you have no basis to complain. Sure you don't like it, but guess what? You can always NOT USE IT! It's not like Microsoft is forcing you to use Vista. Don't like it? Don't use it!

All the visual interface is done through the GPU so thats all perfectly smooth now, also another neat feature is the delayed start service startup type which waits a few minutes before running the service, good for non-essential stuff.

[maeveth]

I am having issues with these drivers personally.

Ive actually had the same problem with all except the 97.13 drivers on my 8800GTX.

Basically when I get significantly degraded performance on any 3D Application. In 3DMark06 I got ~3000. Anybody hear of this issue or have a solution. All hardware has the latest BIOS. This problem occurs in both XP and Vista. My specs are as follows - all items are at stock speed.

E6600 Core 2 Duo
2GB OCZ DDR2
eVGA 680i Motherboard
eVGA 8800GTX
Vista Ultimate 64bit (Legit)

[garikfox]

Beutiful Driver !

Working great over here !

(I played WoW on my x64 Vista for 8 hrs last night, The new Burning Crusades !)

[nekrosoft13]

i been following all the post, seems like a very good driver for first alpha/beta that was leaked.

gives me high hopes for vista.

[Slammin]

I am having issues with these drivers personally.

Ive actually had the same problem with all except the 97.13 drivers on my 8800GTX.

Basically when I get significantly degraded performance on any 3D Application. In 3DMark06 I got ~3000. Anybody hear of this issue or have a solution. All hardware has the latest BIOS. This problem occurs in both XP and Vista. My specs are as follows - all items are at stock speed.

E6600 Core 2 Duo
2GB OCZ DDR2
eVGA 680i Motherboard
eVGA 8800GTX
Vista Ultimate 64bit (Legit)


If you are having the same issue in XP, I would try fixing the problem in XP first if I were you.

[nekrosoft13]

I am having issues with these drivers personally.

Ive actually had the same problem with all except the 97.13 drivers on my 8800GTX.

Basically when I get significantly degraded performance on any 3D Application. In 3DMark06 I got ~3000. Anybody hear of this issue or have a solution. All hardware has the latest BIOS. This problem occurs in both XP and Vista. My specs are as follows - all items are at stock speed.

E6600 Core 2 Duo
2GB OCZ DDR2
eVGA 680i Motherboard
eVGA 8800GTX
Vista Ultimate 64bit (Legit)

umm, have you checked your resistor?

[tweaked]

umm, have you checked your resistor?


i would also be suspicious of the 680i board. i've heard nothing but complaints.

[garikfox]

FYI Tip:

Re-Enabling Aero Glass

When Vista installs it doesnt have the 8800 drivers so it uses a Basic VGA Display Adapter, Thus it Disables Aero even after the drivers are installed.

In my case all I did was go into CP/Performance Info. and Tools

Then just Re-Calculate the Performance Base Score ! (took mine about 2 min.)

And watch it Re-Enable Aero. !

:D ;)

[kendo1]

so i tried installing these using the modded INF on my old school 256mb 5200fx. i do not get any errors during installation, asks whether i want to install the drivers cuz they are unsigned, then screen flickers and installs drivers. but after that, i go to dxdiag, display tab, everything is empty, says unable to get graphics info. no nvidia control panel in control panel, and no aero glass, so it looks like it hasnt installed, but i can choose a high resolution with it, higher than normal strangely. anybody got any clues?