1st The Blair document is fake now this!

[1stFlight]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-08-un-us-forged-reports_x.htm

Strange if Saddam is such a bad guy, why do we need to go through all this effort to make him look bad?

Somebody's lying and it's starting to look like Bush.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
Somebody's lying and it's starting to look like Bush.

Gee, you're just noticing? I could tell way back when he was stealing the presidency... ;)

[legion88]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-08-un-us-forged-reports_x.htm

Strange if Saddam is such a bad guy, why do we need to go through all this effort to make him look bad?

Somebody's lying and it's starting to look like Bush.

Because we have a government operated by stupid monkeys. And we have a population of baboons that would follow the monkeys off a cliff if needed.

I don't know if the allegations of forged documents are accurate. But I do know that the baboons among the masses are going to great lengths to pretend that the gassing of "his own people" by Hussein was a recent event. Right now, the baboons are trying to make it appear that Hussein not only used it recently but he used it against people other than the Kurds. The phrase "his own people" always referred to the Kurds--they were Iraqi civilians who happened to be supporting Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.

The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that Iraq and the U.S. were allies when those mass chemical attacks on civilians occurred. The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that the U.S. government led by Reagan and later daddy Bush was dead set in supporting sanctions against Iraq for the use of chemical weapons on civilians.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by legion88
Because we have a government operated by stupid monkeys. And we have a population of baboons that would follow the monkeys off a cliff if needed.

I don't know if the allegations of forged documents are accurate. But I do know that the baboons among the masses are going to great lengths to pretend that the gassing of "his own people" by Hussein was a recent event. Right now, the baboons are trying to make it appear that Hussein not only used it recently but he used it against people other than the Kurds. The phrase "his own people" always referred to the Kurds--they were Iraqi civilians who happened to be supporting Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.

The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that Iraq and the U.S. were allies when those mass chemical attacks on civilians occurred. The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that the U.S. government led by Reagan and later daddy Bush was dead set in supporting sanctions against Iraq for the use of chemical weapons on civilians.

I agree with most of what you're saying, but I disagree with the "population of baboons that would follow the monkeys of a cliff" bit.

I think the great majority of the people in my country are actually against the war and don't believe King George any further than they could comfortably fling him with their tongue....but the press/white house seems to be reporting/talking about their own little interpretation on reality.

I don't think the US is following their King blindly to war, I think they're get dragged along screaming and kicking for the ride. :(

Other than that though, no disagreement.

One good line from Bill Maher's new show (http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/episode/) from last night that comes to mind:

"You know how the President knows that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction? His dad kept all the receipts!"

[ASCI Blue]

You are quite accurate about the war. Not a dumptruck load of people are for it.

The people are for it *if* no ground forces had to be committed. Sadly the baboon to monkey comparison isn't too far off for that party.

[digitalwanderer]

Does it bug anyone else that the hawks most calling for war, (Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush, etc.), have never seen any military action themselves?

Honest, I thought they were all veterans by the way they stomped about all puffy-chested in their pseudo-military jackets...but none of them have served!

Something about not asking someone to do something that you're unwilling to do yourself.... :rolleyes:

[DaveW]

Originally posted by 1stFlight

Strange if Saddam is such a bad guy, why do we need to go through all this effort to make him look bad?

Because evidently a lot of people don't think him killing over 1 million of his own people, some with chemical weapons, makes him "that much of a bad guy, really".

Saddam still claims... no, brags... that he "won" the Gulf war of 1991... I think we should kick his ass just for that :)

[vampireuk]

Originally posted by DaveW

Saddam still claims... no, brags... that he "won" the Gulf war of 1991... I think we should kick his ass just for that :)

But you yanks claimed you whipped Englands ass when we didn't actually send all our troops over. Can we come after you over that?:D

[sbp]

Originally posted by legion88
Because we have a government operated by stupid monkeys. And we have a population of baboons that would follow the monkeys off a cliff if needed.

I don't know if the allegations of forged documents are accurate. But I do know that the baboons among the masses are going to great lengths to pretend that the gassing of "his own people" by Hussein was a recent event. Right now, the baboons are trying to make it appear that Hussein not only used it recently but he used it against people other than the Kurds. The phrase "his own people" always referred to the Kurds--they were Iraqi civilians who happened to be supporting Iran during the Iran/Iraq war.

The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that Iraq and the U.S. were allies when those mass chemical attacks on civilians occurred. The baboons are going to great lengths to ignore the fact that the U.S. government led by Reagan and later daddy Bush was dead set in supporting sanctions against Iraq for the use of chemical weapons on civilians. Did that also apply during the Clinton years? Or is the tune thumping your chest done to a different beat when a repub gets in? :rolleyes:

Ever hear of the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" Roscoe?

Its too much for the self-considered know-it-all's to know that Hussein was getting support from many countries during that time. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and many Middle East countries supported Hussein with massive amounts of money since they feared Iran with its radical & different brand of Islam would come for them next. European countries like France, Germany and the Soviet Union continued with business as usual selling parts and military hardware to their pal Hussein.

So who is worse-the US for wanting to get rid of a despicable dictator after supporting it for some years? Or countries like France and Soviet Union nee Russia who have supported Hussein for decades and who, even after everything that Hussein has done, still support the tyrant today?

Here is another old adage: "Better late than ever."

[sbp]

digitalwanderer: 95% of the people out here want this situation settled without a war. Unfortunately the damned dictator Hussein refuses to cooperate even when faced with war. Of course the Iraqi people has never been his concern. The old b@stard has a plan to slip the noose again. Well it won't work this time.

As for your question post: Colin Powell has never fought?

The French http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/eviltongue.gif should be thanked for their lame sandbagging of Powell which turned him from a dove to a hawk.

[sbp]

Originally posted by 1stFlight
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-08-un-us-forged-reports_x.htm

Strange if Saddam is such a bad guy, why do we need to go through all this effort to make him look bad?

Somebody's lying and it's starting to look like Bush. Funny how Hussein time after time gets a pass. The thug has had years to comply and has chosen not to. What makes anyone thinks this time is different and Hussein will all of a sudden show where those WMD programs are? Guess peeps will take Husseins word that he has no WMD programs. lol!

For many of the protestors, it is not so much in favor of peace, but being against Bush. Its funny when Clinton talked about war against Iraq, these dips were nowhere to be found. :bleh:

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by sbp
digitalwanderer: 95% of the people out here want this situation settled without a war. Unfortunately the damned dictator Hussein refuses to cooperate even when faced with war. Of course the Iraqi people has never been his concern. The old b@stard has a plan to slip the noose again. Well it won't work this time.

No, I ain't saying he's not a bad guy or his country isn't better off without him..I'm saying that linking an invasion of Irag to the war on terror ain't right as there is no connection!

NONE! ZERO! NADA! RENID!

If he wants to colonize Iraq all well and good, but don't tell me it's an effort in the war on terror 'cause it ain't. North Korea would be a much more viable target for that right now, and he's just happy-talking at them! :rolleyes:


As for your question post: Colin Powell has never fought?

Question right back at ya, who in the current administration held out the longest against the war in Iraq?!?

Do you really think that is the same Colin Powell who is today endorsing it? You poor naive fool.... ;)


The French http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/eviltongue.gif should be thanked for their lame sandbagging of Powell which turned him from a dove to a hawk.

No, I told you...that isn't Colin Powell. They replaced him when he wouldn't come on board with their invasion plans/holy crusade. :)

[sbp]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
No, I ain't saying he's not a bad guy or his country isn't better off without him..I'm saying that linking an invasion of Irag to the war on terror ain't right as there is no connection!

NONE! ZERO! NADA! RENID!Seems like folks need all the reasons in the world to go after Hussein, and even after getting them, refuse to support action.

Yes, Hussein does have ties to terrorist groups. Whether or not its Al-Qaeda is not relevant to me. That is because Hussein should have been dealt with years ago. But the weak kneers out there didn't want to act. Heck, French and Russia kept gutting the sanctions against Iraq. :bleh:

If he wants to colonize Iraq all well and good, but don't tell me it's an effort in the war on terror 'cause it ain't. North Korea would be a much more viable target for that right now, and he's just happy-talking at them! :rolleyes:Its too late, little can be done about North Korea since they got nukes. The same cannot be said of Iraq.

And now we have a thread that was posted just for you. :p
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8462

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by sbp
Its too late, little can be done about North Korea since they got nukes. The same cannot be said of Iraq.

Nope, but going after a KNOWN THREAT that has a much lower chance of starting WW3 seems a whole lot saner to me than going after a personal vendetta/profit motivated/VERY FREAKING UNPOPULAR AS HELL war with Iraq under false pretenses!

[UDawg]

Originally posted by vampireuk
But you yanks claimed you whipped Englands ass when we didn't actually send all our troops over. Can we come after you over that?:D

Bring it on! :D Please bring some fish and chips so we can eat after we spank you. :p

[sbp]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Nope, but going after a KNOWN THREAT that has a much lower chance of starting WW3 seems a whole lot saner to me than going after a personal vendetta/profit motivated/VERY FREAKING UNPOPULAR AS HELL war with Iraq under false pretenses! Lower threat of starting WWIII? http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/ugone2far.gif Have you seen the vitriol coming out of North Korea "we will destroy the world with nukes". Have you kept up on all these shameless incidents by the Stalinist North Koreans to ratchet up the tensions? This despicable North Korea regime has nukes and is wacko enough to use 'em. Can you say goodbye Seoul?

Indeed going after a KNOWN THREAT like Hussein that has a much lower chance of starting WW3 seems a whole lot saner.
http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/duh2.gif

But you are right, we should wait until Hussein has nukes then do something. Sure worked with N Korea {thanks Clinton!} :bleh:

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by sbp
Lower threat of starting WWIII? http://sbp777.homestead.com/files/ugone2far.gif Have you seen the vitriol coming out of North Korea "we will destroy the world with nukes". Have you kept up on all these shameless incidents by the Stalinist North Koreans to ratchet up the tensions? This despicable North Korea regime has nukes and is wacko enough to use 'em. Can you say goodbye Seoul?

Indeed going after a KNOWN THREAT like Hussein that has a much lower chance of starting WW3 seems a whole lot saner.
http://home.earthlink.net/~sbp777/smilies/duh2.gif

But you are right, we should wait until Hussein has nukes then do something. Sure worked with N Korea {thanks Clinton!} :bleh:


No, I think the rest of the world would pretty much back us up on the idea of going after a nation that's insane and has REAL weapons of mass destruction and is actively threatening to use them. That's all.

How silly of me to think so "insanely". :rolleyes:

[UDawg]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
No, I think the rest of the world would pretty much back us up on the idea of going after a nation that's insane and has REAL weapons of mass destruction and is actively threatening to use them. That's all.

How silly of me to think so "insanely". :rolleyes:

That is a silly argument. So if the rest of the world jumped off a bridge should we?

Come on you have to be grown up about this.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by UDawg71
That is a silly argument. So if the rest of the world jumped off a bridge should we?

Come on you have to be grown up about this.

By "grown up", don't you mean "use our armies and abuse our power to do what we want"? :rolleyes:

Besides, I've been refusing to grow-up for over 3 decades now and I don't see any point in changing any time soon since it's been a bit more fun this way. :p


By the same logic you used; if the whole world was telling ya that jumping off that same bridge was an absolutely insane thing to do that would only make things worse, would you still jump off it anyways?

[UDawg]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
By "grown up", don't you mean "use our armies and abuse our power to do what we want"? :rolleyes:

Besides, I've been refusing to grow-up for over 3 decades now and I don't see any point in changing any time soon since it's been a bit more fun this way. :p


By the same logic you used; if the whole world was telling ya that jumping off that same bridge was an absolutely insane thing to do that would only make things worse, would you still jump off it anyways?

First off it isn't the whole world. This is silly.
Second the part of the world that opposes this war is wrong.
Third, grow up and realize the threat that exists. Protesting in a feel good anti-amrican march is imature and niave.
I have not seen anyone of the protestors, protest against Saddam. Seems to me they are pretty well supportive. None of those socialists say one blue word about saddam except to say ......duhhh we...... we should all love and.....ermmmm ...... uhhh Bush is just as bad. He stole the elections. :cry: and:cry: He wants to nuke us all and :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Yes indeed GROW UP!!!

If you do not have the guts to stand up to face evil in our time then get out of the way and let the ones who do have the guts to do it.

Stop defending Saddams force right to murder his and other people or is that just fine with you?

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by UDawg71
First off it isn't the whole world. This is silly.
Second the part of the world that opposes this war is wrong.
Third, grow up and realize the threat that exists. Protesting in a feel good anti-amrican march is imature and niave.
I have not seen anyone of the protestors, protest against Saddam. Seems to me they are pretty well supportive. None of those socialists say one blue word about saddam except to say ......duhhh we...... we should all love and.....ermmmm ...... uhhh Bush is just as bad. He stole the elections. :cry: and:cry: He wants to nuke us all and :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: Yes indeed GROW UP!!!

If you do not have the guts to stand up to face evil in our time then get out of the way and let the ones who do have the guts to do it.

Stop defending Saddams force right to murder his and other people or is that just fine with you?


Once again, really slow since you seem so stubborn to read it:

I.....do.....NOT....support....Saddam!

Saying King George II is a manipulative liar who is trying to force a regime change thru brainwashing and scare tactics does not mean I support Saddam or his regime; it means that I'm not swallowing my governments BS hook, line, and sinker the way that the "patriots" such as yourself are.

This is not "America, love it or leave it", this is my f-cking country doing a major screw-up (IMHO) and I feel it's MY DUTY as a citizen to speak out against it.

This "anti-war=un-american" spiel is getting real old, but I'm glad that the hawks are finally coming out and actually saying it rather than just trying to impy it all the time. When they actually say it we get a chance to tell them just how full of shlt they are. :)

[vampireuk]

Remember guys we are all adults here, I dont want to see any flamming:cool:

[1stFlight]

I couldn't have said it better myself... that's exactly how I feel too.

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Once again, really slow since you seem so stubborn to read it:

I.....do.....NOT....support....Saddam!

Saying King George II is a manipulative liar who is trying to force a regime change thru brainwashing and scare tactics does not mean I support Saddam or his regime; it means that I'm not swallowing my governments BS hook, line, and sinker the way that the "patriots" such as yourself are.

This is not "America, love it or leave it", this is my f-cking country doing a major screw-up (IMHO) and I feel it's MY DUTY as a citizen to speak out against it.

This "anti-war=un-american" spiel is getting real old, but I'm glad that the hawks are finally coming out and actually saying it rather than just trying to impy it all the time. When they actually say it we get a chance to tell them just how full of shlt they are. :)

[UDawg]

Lets get this straigth. If you express you opinion it is ok and opend minded? When the protestors speak out it is beautifull?
Now if someone like me who is for securing our future by taking out Saddom, it is closed minded? Do you see the hypocracy of your argument? I have the same right to speak out against you as you do of me.

We all saw the signs by the protestors. They compared Bush to Hitler. Decried how awefull the US is ect ect ect. It was all anti American. If you did not carry a sign like that and don't believe that then why should you respond to my posts about it, unless you do support those protestors who were the majority did carry those signs.

My problem is with the anti Americanism that is going on, not with someone who decents from the administrations positions. I could care less if you do disagree.

[digitalwanderer]

Originally posted by vampireuk
Remember guys we are all adults here, I dont want to see any flamming:cool:

Sorry.

My apologies if my comments caused you offense UDawg71, my words are directed at the ideas you are expousing and not at you personally.

It may be hard for you to believe, but I hold my convictions on this just as sincerly and as passionately as you do...just at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I will try and remain civil in the future, and apologize for my antagonistic attitude.