So will Vista know become Nvidia's main focus?

[Princess_Frosty]

DRM? :rolleyes:

LOL DRM, like that's going to last long before it's easily crackable, I don't stick up for that but then it doesn't really effect me, I just download any digitial media :>

In any case DRM is obviously not there for the users but to try and protect content providers, which is fair enough, i don't think it's a particuarly good idea, or even that it's going to work very well, but hey ho..

This is all great to hear--thanks for sharing! There's nothing more aggravating than a single application locking up and taking your entire system down with it. I have a feeling that Vista is going to be just what many of us were looking for and can't wait to upgrade.

Yeah, used to irritate the crap out of me that a fullscreen app could just dominate the PC in one silly little crash, Vista expertly deals with promlematic applications whether they're full screen or using masses of resources etc.

I was half expecting long alt tab times (because of the GUI being unloaded and having to be started again) but you can get back to windows just as fast as XP with a good machine, except that it doesn't lock up, stutter about and act like a pain in the arse.

[OWA]

“Drivers must be extra-robust. Requires additional driver development to isolate and protect sensitive code paths” — ATI.
I find it a little funny that this would get quoted as a bad thing. :) Especially with so many people complaining about graphics drivers these days.

[Scaramonga]

The PC is slowly becoming controlled by everything apart from the user!.......I was under the impression that it was supposed to be the other way around?

I find it a little funny that this would get quoted as a bad thing. :) Especially with so many people complaining about graphics drivers these days.

Have you actually read the document and understood the implications of this?

[evilchris]

Idiot...
Fatal1ty, it's the I not the L. Christ, you are an idiot and apparently not even a N00B. Pre-N00B.

at least he isn't a fan of some nerd "pro-gamer" who copies others' handles

[Monolyth]

Executive Summary
Windows Vista includes an extensive reworking of core OS elements in order to provide content protection for so-called “premium content”, typically HD data from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD sources. Providing this protection incurs considerable costs in terms of system performance, system stability, technical support overhead, and hardware and software cost. These issues affect not only users of Vista but the entire PC industry, since the effects of the protection measures extend to cover all hardware and software that will ever come into contact with Vista, even if it's not used directly with Vista (for example hardware in a Macintosh computer or on a Linux server). This document analyses the cost involved in Vista's content protection, and the collateral damage that this incurs throughout the computer industry.

What the **** does that have to do with gaming? Not a damn thing. You think they are going to start using HDCP for video games?...pffft gimme a break. This topic is about nVidia focusing primarily on Vista, which if they want to get ahead of AMD/ATI they will because Vista is going to be super-marketed by Microsoft.

And now the off-topic comment that must ensue:
It takes a newer machine to run Vista well at all, there's a reason Microsoft put bigger requirements on it. And it does take a fairly beefy machine to even run HD content anyway (or a very good video card). And MS is not 'forcing' you to use their Windows Media Player for listening to music. Hell foobar2000 already works in Vista and I can listen to whatever the **** I want without having to worry about DRM restrictions.

All this bloatware you talk about , well 1/2 of that stuff isn't even used until you need it, not to mention that precious 'physical memory' that just sits there not being used in XP, well now Vista will use it for whatever it needs it for. When a higher priority task needs it (ie. a game, encoding a movie, etc.) it will allow that task to overwrite whatever Vista has in memory (Linux has been doing this for awhile).

You call a built-in DVD-Writer bloatware, you know what I call it? One less industry-standard thing someone has to worry about installing themselves. Linux does the same ****ing thing by packaging mass loads of open-source software so don't give me the line that "Well Linux doesn't force the user to have this software." If you want Linux to do it, guess what you have to install it.

End Rant. I'm so sick and tired of this, every time a new OS comes out it's wah wah wah, something new, wah wah wah. 9 months down the road..."OMFG jakUp I get >100fps on Crysis with 8950GTX SLI, wut do you get?"

Vista is the future Microsoft PC platform, get over it or get a Mac/Linux.

[F_L_C]

I find it a little funny that this would get quoted as a bad thing. :) Especially with so many people complaining about graphics drivers these days.


It was just a statement made by an affected manufacturer to highlight the (needless) increase in driver development time inorder to adhere to the Vista Content Protection Guidelines.

What the **** does that have to do with gaming? Not a damn thing. You think they are going to start using HDCP for video games?...pffft gimme a break. This topic is about nVidia focusing primarily on Vista, which if they want to get ahead of AMD/ATI they will because Vista is going to be super-marketed by Microsoft.

Why don't you read the fkn essay, genius. Longer driver development time doesn't affect gaming? Increased costs for graphics boards doesn't affect the gaming industry?

[Scaramonga]

What the **** does that have to do with gaming? Not a damn thing. You think they are going to start using HDCP for video games?...pffft gimme a break. This topic is about nVidia focusing primarily on Vista, which if they want to get ahead of AMD/ATI they will because Vista is going to be super-marketed by Microsoft.

And now the off-topic comment that must ensue:
It takes a newer machine to run Vista well at all, there's a reason Microsoft put bigger requirements on it. And it does take a fairly beefy machine to even run HD content anyway (or a very good video card). And MS is not 'forcing' you to use their Windows Media Player for listening to music. Hell foobar2000 already works in Vista and I can listen to whatever the **** I want without having to worry about DRM restrictions.

All this bloatware you talk about , well 1/2 of that stuff isn't even used until you need it, not to mention that precious 'physical memory' that just sits there not being used in XP, well now Vista will use it for whatever it needs it for. When a higher priority task needs it (ie. a game, encoding a movie, etc.) it will allow that task to overwrite whatever Vista has in memory (Linux has been doing this for awhile).

You call a built-in DVD-Writer bloatware, you know what I call it? One less industry-standard thing someone has to worry about installing themselves. Linux does the same ****ing thing by packaging mass loads of open-source software so don't give me the line that "Well Linux doesn't force the user to have this software." If you want Linux to do it, guess what you have to install it.

End Rant. I'm so sick and tired of this, every time a new OS comes out it's wah wah wah, something new, wah wah wah. 9 months down the road..."OMFG jakUp I get >100fps on Crysis with 8950GTX SLI, wut do you get?"

Vista is the future Microsoft PC platform, get over it or get a Mac/Linux.

I've never heard (or seen) such a load of BULL in one post in all my days living on this WWW........congratulations!

[OWA]

Have you actually read the document and understood the implications of this?
No, I haven't really been following whatever y'all are arguing about. I was happy with RC1 and I'm excited about getting Vista (for at least one computer). So, with that being the case, I figure I can just let you worry about the implications. Fair enough? :)

BTW, I just checked the end of the thread and saw that quote. It just seemed like a strange thing to be quoting as a negative.

[aydc]

Anyone who's moaning about Vista not being better than Vista is simply unaware of the changes that have been made to the core of the OS. Chances are any BSODs people are getting are due to either OC'd or defective hardware, or lousy drivers.

So Princess, you accept that Vista crashes. Then does it matter why I'm getting a blue screen as long as I'm getting one? Do you say "Oh this was caused by a driver, so it's OK. I'm so happy"?

If your new and shiny system is so different under the hood as you say, why does it still crash? If it still crashes, what's the difference?

[Princess_Frosty]

Vista is the future Microsoft PC platform, get over it or get a Mac/Linux.

Well said :)

[Princess_Frosty]

So Princess, you accept that Vista crashes. Then does it matter why I'm getting a blue screen as long as I'm getting one? Do you say "Oh this was caused by a driver, so it's OK. I'm so happy"?

If your new and shiny system is so different under the hood as you say, why does it still crash? If it still crashes, what's the difference?

Theres lots of external reasons why you might get a BSOD that there's nothing Vista can do to stop it, bad drivers is one of those reasons but BSODS have largely been hardware errors even for most of XP's life.

Applications have crashed for me, that's expected especially for games which are buggy on any other OS, it's Vistas ability to handle that.

If you're getting BSODS if I were you i'd check stability of CPU and ram with something like Prime95 for a good few hours.

[Greeno]

Idiot...
Fatal1ty, it's the I not the L. Christ, you are an idiot and apparently not even a N00B. Pre-N00B.

Don't say I didn't warn ya ;)