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Viventis
01-30-07, 04:04 PM
I am torn between these two cards for an upgrade. It looks likr the ATI card does slightly better in benchmarks but only has 256 MB of memory compared to the 512 of the Nvidia product.

Any experiences and thoughts on this choice? I wonder which card is better in Vista.

Medion
01-30-07, 04:19 PM
Speed: In pure speed, the Radeon is a bit faster.

IQ: In terms of IQ, ATI fanboys will say that the Radeon is hands down better, but I'll disagree. Comparing my old Radeon X1900XT to my 7900GTO. The GeForce has better AA, while the Radeon has better AF. Shadows are an issues in many game with Radeons. I favor the GeForce in terms of IQ.

Overall: Look at the games you play. Do any have any known issues with either brand? If not, either card is great. However, if you have games with known issues on one brand, get the other card. Either way, both cards are amazing values.

Lfctony
01-30-07, 04:32 PM
Well, I agree mostly. Speed-wise, the X1950XT is faster. IQ wise, I'd say the same except Anisotropic Filtering. Never noticed any shimmering on my 7800GTX, but ATI AF is higher between those 2 products. AA potential is higher on the Geforce, but I never used anything higher than 4x myself. Also noted are the shadows, ATI cards have blocky shadows in a lot of games (COH, TR:Legend). But, as the previous poster said, any card you get, you'll be very satisfied.

SlieTheSecond
01-30-07, 04:35 PM
I went from a 7600GT to a x1900GT to an 8800 GTS.
And I will say the IQ is better on the ATI x1900 than the Geforce 7 series (minus shadows).
I did have some driver related problems and had to disable some things with the ATI which I never ran into with the Geforce.

Something you might want to consider is that 7 series can't do AA and HDR at the same time. The ATI one can.

But if you anything like me, I would go with which ever is cheaper. The extra video ram isn't going to do much. Only games I know of that truly need 512 vram is quake4 and doom3 for Ultra High Quality.. Which is hardly different than High quality.

Tygerwoody
01-30-07, 04:51 PM
ATI is the devil. Go with the 7950GT

Xion X2
01-30-07, 07:53 PM
Image quality on the ATI is significantly better, but it comes at the cost of using up more power and generating much more heat inside your case.

If it were me, I'd also look for a 512MB ATI model if you're interested in them. That extra texture memory will come in handy in the future.

3NZ0
01-30-07, 08:43 PM
I know this is a nvidia forum and im partial to nvidia cards but in this case the ati is the one to get, my 'old' x1900 has MUCH better image quality than my 7600gt or 7950gtx when everything is cranked up, the x1950xt is also faster than the 7950gt

stevemedes
01-30-07, 10:10 PM
though the ati is slightly faster, id go for the 7950 just for the extra RAM if anything. also the 7950 is a single slot card that runs cooler than the ATi.

Viventis
01-31-07, 10:32 AM
Thanks for all the replies.

I have been using Nvidia cards for three generations now. My current card is a 6800GT AGP. I am currently running an AMD 64 3700+ SanDiego and 4x512 mb of ram. I would love to upgrade everything to a Core Duo system but will probably have to wait because of the cost of the new CPU, Ram and Motherboard. My thought was to get one of the two graphics cards listed and a cheap 939 PCie board to tide me over so I could keep my CPU and Ram. When I upgrade to a DDR2 system down the line, the card should hopefully still be OK. (one of the kids' MB's need replacing so my old 939 AGP will be put to good use. I always upgrade all 4 computers with the "hand me downs")

Anyone think this logic/plan has a major flaw? For instance, will the CPU so bottleneck the graphics card that I would see little improvement? Unfortunately, all the reviews are always done with the highest end sytems so it's tough to see what improvement you can expect with more average components.

BTW: My most played game that is graphics intensive is BF2142. My current system bogs down so badly inside the Titan that I almost always play Conquest.

This deal from Newegg started all this thinking:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102067

An X1950XT for $215 seems almost too good to pass up.

Lfctony
01-31-07, 10:34 AM
Get it, it's terrific value for money at that price.

DSC
01-31-07, 11:56 AM
Get a 320MB 8800GTS instead. You get better IQ and better performance.

SlieTheSecond
01-31-07, 12:04 PM
Get a 320MB 8800GTS instead. You get better IQ and better performance.

Thats not a bad idea. If you are planning on going C2D. The 8800 will mop the floor with the X1950XT. I ran an 8800 GTS on my amd 3700+ and I noticed a big difference going from an x1900GT to it.

Xion X2
01-31-07, 12:46 PM
Get a 320MB 8800GTS instead. You get better IQ and better performance.

Better yet, get a 640MB 8800GTS. :p

On a serious note, where I'd be concerned is your processor, since it's a single core. All games to come in the future will be multi-threaded, and that single-core of yours is going to have a rough time with them. How long do you plan to hang onto the 939 platform?

Take a look at this list; the Opteron 165 dualy is a pretty good value at $154. They can be overclocked to around 2.6-2.7gHz. The X24400+ is also an option, although a little more expensive. You could ebay your current CPU and come out less than 100$ in the hole, maybe. Then, later on you could ebay the Opteron when you're ready to go C2D.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=34&N=2010340343+50001028+1051707439+1302820275&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=343

If you plan on keeping that same setup for a year or two, I'd definitely consider purchasing a dual-core.

Viventis
02-01-07, 11:07 AM
On a serious note, where I'd be concerned is your processor, since it's a single core. All games to come in the future will be multi-threaded, and that single-core of yours is going to have a rough time with them. How long do you plan to hang onto the 939 platform?

Take a look at this list; the Opteron 165 dualy is a pretty good value at $154. They can be overclocked to around 2.6-2.7gHz. The X24400+ is also an option, although a little more expensive. You could ebay your current CPU and come out less than 100$ in the hole, maybe. Then, later on you could ebay the Opteron when you're ready to go C2D.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Category=34&N=2010340343+50001028+1051707439+1302820275&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=343

If you plan on keeping that same setup for a year or two, I'd definitely consider purchasing a dual-core.

I am worried on trusting an overclock to equal, let alone exceed the 2.2 gHz of my current processor. I am worried that my 4 sticks of ram will hold me back on any serious overclocking.

Your Newegg link also shows how screwy Opteron prices are; the Opteron 185 Denmark, dual core 2.6 gHz is half the price of the 180 Denmark 2.4?! Is that a misprint?

Xion X2
02-01-07, 01:36 PM
What kind of memory are you running?

The Asus A8N5X is about the cheapest reliable 939 board around (~70$ on newegg), and I have a friend who has OC'd his 2.2gHz Opteron to 3.1gHz on stock v-core on that board. And his memory is nothing special.. just standard DDR400 memory. In the BIOS you can clock the memory down to allow you some headroom for overclocking the CPU.

The Opterons overclock really well because they're made w/ better silicon than most AMD chips. You should have no problem at all getting that 1.8 up to 2.4-2.6 at the least.

If it's such a concern, then why not go w/ the X2 4400+ that comes clocked @ 2.2gHz? I had one of those that clocked to 2.65gHz easy on the A8N5X w/ standard DDR400.

Zarich
02-01-07, 07:52 PM
I went from a ti500 to a 9800pro to a 7950gt(256).
The iq thing is a tough one. In some ways ati has better IQ, but in other ways I really prefer the look of the nvidia cards. It is very much personal preference in some ways. However, I don't know about the x1900 series, but nvidia drivers are awesome. I have been able to play every game without once having to roll back or tweak my drivers. The ati drivers made me tweak things all the time.

Eliminator
02-02-07, 12:37 PM
7950GT all the way... main reason is the 512mb of ram which does come in handy nowadays and definitely for the future

MustangSVT
02-02-07, 12:39 PM
I've got a X1900XT and it's an awesome card. Definetely go for the X1950XT? It's faster (probably only by a little bit), but isn't that what matters? Value for your money is what you're looking for. I'm a nVIDIA fan, my last ATI card before this one was a 3D Rage Pro or something, but when the time came I had to choose between 7900GT and X1900XT and the 7900GTX. The GTX was waaay too much and the X1900XT was much better than the 7900GT so I went with ATI this time around.

Oh you might want to consider the 8800 GTS as well, altho I'm not sure how expensive it is.

Viventis
02-02-07, 01:00 PM
What kind of memory are you running?

The Asus A8N5X is about the cheapest reliable 939 board around (~70$ on newegg), and I have a friend who has OC'd his 2.2gHz Opteron to 3.1gHz on stock v-core on that board. And his memory is nothing special.. just standard DDR400 memory. In the BIOS you can clock the memory down to allow you some headroom for overclocking the CPU.

The Opterons overclock really well because they're made w/ better silicon than most AMD chips. You should have no problem at all getting that 1.8 up to 2.4-2.6 at the least.

If it's such a concern, then why not go w/ the X2 4400+ that comes clocked @ 2.2gHz? I had one of those that clocked to 2.65gHz easy on the A8N5X w/ standard DDR400.

The worry I have isn't the quality of the memory, but that I have 4 sticks instead of 2. The extra sticks create some issues in a normal setup (I can run at 333/1T or 400/2t but not 400/1T) so I am wondering about any substantial overclock. I will see how far I can push my 3700+. If I can get it to 2.4 mHz, I'll probably stick with it until more games make use of dual cores.