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Quickstar
01-31-07, 08:43 PM
I'm happy for Nintendo, but Sony is a beast.

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/01/30/ps3-causes-sony-profit-drop/

Sony just announced its Q4 2006 profits, which dropped by 5.3% compared to 2005. The games divion lost $441 million in the last quarter alone, mostly due to the costly PS3 manufacturing process. Sony is selling the PS3 console at a big loss, estimated production cost is over $900. But itís not all bad news, as Sonyís other businesses did quite well to compensate for the loss. Their HDTVs and digital cameras, as well as successful movies like Casino Royale 007, contributed to an overall Q4 profit of $1.3 billion. This is significantly higher than Nintendoís record profits of $991 million for all of 2006. Analysts are still doubting the PS3 becasue of the weak start, resulting in Sonyís stock taking a modest hit on the Japanese market today.

And for those who are waiting to buy a PS3 like me....

http://www.digitalbattle.com/2007/01/31/updated-cell-cpu-in-production/

:D

ENU291
01-31-07, 08:47 PM
You posted in the wrong area. The PS3 is a console.

Quickstar
01-31-07, 08:53 PM
Damnit! Sorry. Thats what i get for using too many tabs :(

glennalan
02-01-07, 07:23 PM
Doesn't the PS3 have a nvidea graphics card in it? I think they said it was similar to two 6800gt's. Blue-Ray disc drive and for under $500.00. I don't play console myself, but economically it sounds like the way to go.

Badboy_12345
02-01-07, 11:43 PM
Doesn't the PS3 have a nvidea graphics card in it? I think they said it was similar to two 6800gt's. Blue-Ray disc drive and for under $500.00. I don't play console myself, but economically it sounds like the way to go.

:lol: the graphic card is nowhere near 2 6800gts :p

|MaguS|
02-01-07, 11:48 PM
:lol: the graphic card is nowhere near 2 6800gts :p

Actually, I believe Nvidia said it was equal to dual 6800Us :p

toxikneedle
02-02-07, 12:18 AM
Did someone really say that the PS3 will be the demise of Sony? I don't think I know one person who doesn't own a Sony product. I just got a new Bravia in the house, plus I recently bought a 400 dollar sony ericsson cellphone... They could probably survive on Bravias alone.

1337_Like_ThaT
02-02-07, 12:27 AM
Did someone really say that the PS3 will be the demise of Sony? I don't think I know one person who doesn't own a Sony product. I just got a new Bravia in the house, plus I recently bought a 400 dollar sony ericsson cellphone... They could probably survive on Bravias alone.

Which Cell Phone did you pick up? Just curious. :)

thor1182
02-02-07, 08:44 AM
the PS3 GPU is something close to the G70, which was around twice as the 6800 line. You also have to take in to account that the 360 GPU is closer to the R600 in design, which for comparison is something like the G80.

Marvel_us
02-02-07, 08:50 AM
the PS3 GPU is something close to the G70, which was around twice as the 6800 line. You also have to take in to account that the 360 GPU is closer to the R600 in design, which for comparison is something like the G80.

That sounds about right although I'd say RSX is like G71 since it's 90nm. Sony should have gave nvidia the go ahead to make their GPU from day 1. I have no doubt nvidia would've gave them a better solution.

tornadog
02-02-07, 09:46 AM
I think the old idiom "All good things come to those who wait" is especially true with these next gen consoles. The first gen 360s had heating problems and many ppl lost their launch day systems. Now with PS3, lack of strong launch titles, high pricepoint and the speculation over blueray is causing many ppl to wait out till there are better titles and momentum for blueray.

ViN86
02-02-07, 10:01 AM
I think the old idiom "All good things come to those who wait" is especially true with these next gen consoles. The first gen 360s had heating problems and many ppl lost their launch day systems. Now with PS3, lack of strong launch titles, high pricepoint and the speculation over blueray is causing many ppl to wait out till there are better titles and momentum for blueray.
QFT. the PS3 will rise from the ashes eventually. until then, its fun to laugh at Sony while they struggle. but rest assured, they will come back strong.

toxikneedle
02-02-07, 11:35 AM
Which Cell Phone did you pick up? Just curious. :)
k800i

1337_Like_ThaT
02-02-07, 12:24 PM
k800i

Nice, I've been thinking of buying that phone as a secondary :)

I have the Sony Ericcson w850i ATM and I have nothing but positive things to say about that, especially the bluetooth features of the phone with SE Headset

toxikneedle
02-02-07, 12:29 PM
yep, i'm loving my k800i. i always liked ericsson phones but never had a chance to get one until now. i'm probably going to keep this for a while, it hasn't dissapointed me once yet.

Lyme
02-02-07, 02:13 PM
QFT. the PS3 will rise from the ashes eventually. until then, its fun to laugh at Sony while they struggle. but rest assured, they will come back strong.

Nothing is ever written in stone. Sony has taken a significant hit with the production costs of the PS3 and a equal hit with the recall of laptop batteries. Had it not been for their other businesses they would have been in big trouble. In addition Sony took out a extremely large loan recently to cover costs. Also Sony took a large hit last quarter, if they are not careful they could end up in a bit o trouble.

|MaguS|
02-02-07, 02:33 PM
The loan they took out was not to stay afloat, it was to expand. Sony posted a profit even thought it was lower then the previous year. Sony as a whole is not in the red, just their battery and games division but thanks to the movie division and Sonys TV Production they are still posting a profit.

I mean 80 Billion Yen wouldn't even cover their losses...

Lyme
02-02-07, 02:44 PM
The loan they took out was not to stay afloat, it was to expand. Sony posted a profit even thought it was lower then the previous year. Sony as a whole is not in the red, just their battery and games division but thanks to the movie division and Sonys TV Production they are still posting a profit.

I mean 80 Billion Yen wouldn't even cover their losses...

Just think, you don't need a loan if you have cash in hand, and sony doesn't.

Tygerwoody
02-02-07, 04:05 PM
Nice, I've been thinking of buying that phone as a secondary :)

I have the Sony Ericcson w850i ATM and I have nothing but positive things to say about that, especially the bluetooth features of the phone with SE Headset
I hope the bluetooth features are good. After all, Ericsson did design Bluetooth to begin with. :)

/works there

toxikneedle
02-02-07, 04:58 PM
Just think, you don't need a loan if you have cash in hand, and sony doesn't.
that's not how it works, companies take out loans all the time, doesn't mean they are bankrupt.

Lyme
02-02-07, 06:11 PM
that's not how it works, companies take out loans all the time, doesn't mean they are bankrupt.

Of course that isn't how that works. They take out loans for purchases, etc, with the the intention that the improvements will offset the repayment costs. However that being said, most companies with cash in had would rather use that, rather than taking out a loan.

|MaguS|
02-02-07, 06:16 PM
Of course that isn't how that works. They take out loans for purchases, etc, with the the intention that the improvements will offset the repayment costs. However that being said, most companies with cash in had would rather use that, rather than taking out a loan.

No, They wouldn't... A company looks more profitable when it has more money onhand, the debt of loans doesn't affect the company unless they don't have profit coming in. Sony even with its losses still is a profitable company, banks are happy to loan them money because they know Sony will pay it back and its interest, why do you think Sony got an exteremly low interest rate on their huge loan... banks were competing with them. To Sony its basically free money for them to invest into new ventures.