Join the fight against NVIDIA: Ask them for proper Vista drivers

[Ancient]

Nvidia's BSODs are still Nvidia's problem, regardless of what anyone else does.
So, in your opinion, NVIDIA has to excel where others do not? Or is this a problem we just have to learn to deal with no matter who we use because it's a universal problem?

You're one the making the claim programmers do all this stuff goes outside normal system and API calls, so the burden of proof is on you. Twenty years ago, you would have been right. But today, the education and training teaches software engineers, which I happen to be, to use standard calls and not reinvent the wheel. We've got standard system calls, most of which are the same between platforms, and standard libraries that are the same across platforms (standard template library being the most obvious example). We have OS and device specific APIs that are far more optimized than anything a game dev can whip up during the course of a project, and vendors that strongly encourage the use of those calls (such as Microsoft). Sorry, but I'll take my own experience and the experience of my colleagues and friends over your word.

On that note, I'm done with this.
Erm. Many of the good programmers that write game engines are from 20 years ago. Old habits die hard.

[Ancient]

Come on, guys, calm down. Stick with XP for a month or two and play favorite games. G80 play's DX9 very good... Be happy with G80, not impatient!
I have Vista too, but is is on shelf (I didn't buy it.. My company have deal with MS). Im expecting stable system with mature drivers before I switch to it. Right now, Vista cannot use my USB ADSL modem, so until they fixt that, I'll wait.
<rant>
anyway... the whole concept of using 3d cards to accelerate existing 2D UI is stupid. Im expecting UI that can really use power of 3D, resolution independent virtual screens, context sensitive background, ... something like http://www.leoburnett.ca/
Transparent window with blur and drop shadow isn't great visual improvement.
</rant>
It's not stupid at all. Drag a window across the screen in XP and then do the same thing in Vista. Notice a diifference? Using graphic card hardware to accelerate graphics makes much more sense than using the CPU to do the same thing.

Vista is in its infancy. Like anything new, it will take some time for people to begin discovering its potential.

[Q]

I pooped my pants.

/Ike

[weeds]

All,

To end this argument if we have adequate drivers to run 8800's on Vista or not:

Why doesnt the G80 family of cards show up as certified for vista? How did they put the logo? Was it without Microsoft's permission?

http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/ProductList.aspx?g=d&cid=303&f=86p

Select Nvidia and show me where the 8800 series cards are listed.

Thanks.

Hmm, look harder the 8800 series are listed.
http://winqual.microsoft.com/HCL/ProductDetails.aspx?g=d&cid=303&sv=&f=86p&pn=GV-NX8800%20Series&oid=680

[Rytr]

Right now, Vista cannot use my USB ADSL modem, so until they fixt that, I'll wait.

Have not seen that. Is that across the board for USB ADSL modems or just for a specific modem?

[MarcusTaz]

An OS, car it doesn't matter - unfinished is unfinished. Ever hear of a product recall? Thats for a product that was defective or unfinished. Even in the world of cars they screw up - product recall. Complexity isnt an excuse.

You're aren't convincing me just because it's an OS or drivers that it SHOULD be expected to not be finished. Convince me that I'm being unrealistic - and that when I goto the store and buy ANY product I should expect the package to come with half the stuff advertised on the box. I don't care what the product is - if it's not 100% complete - DON'T RELEASE IT, DON'T SELL IT - then you won't hear people bitch about it. You cannot take peoples money and expect them to be happy with half a product no matter what that product is.

right on bro, right on!!!

[MarcusTaz]

No doubt. I'm not claiming the NVIDIA drivers are flawless. Far from it. However, neither do I agree that the drivers are solely responsible for the problems that people are seeing.


Are you for real?? :rolleyes:

[MikeC]

Stay on topic or your post will be deleted. We're talking about Vista and NVIDIA not each other.

[Ancient]

I pooped my pants.

/Ike
Feel free to fling it all around. It's why this thread exists.

[yooyo]

It's not stupid at all. Drag a window across the screen in XP and then do the same thing in Vista. Notice a diifference? Using graphic card hardware to accelerate graphics makes much more sense than using the CPU to do the same thing.

Vista is in its infancy. Like anything new, it will take some time for people to begin discovering its potential.

I know difference. I have used Mac OSX and few Linux distro tha already have such effect. FYI all those fancy effect you can see on Mac Powerbook G4 with 256MB RAM and GeForce4MX with 32MB. But this is not thread Mac vs. PC...
I just want to say that you guys are too impatient and you need to calm down and think again! Is it worth to have Vista now with all software incompatibilities and hardware troubles?

[Xion X2]

You can't be serious, really you cannot. I don't care about OSes, architecture and blah. Don't sell a product that isn't 100% ready, period. What are you Bill Gates defending your baby?

When are you going to go b!tch to the thousands of software companies that do this by the day? Ever hear of the word "patch?"

Please. This happens all the time and companies get off scot-free for it. The expectations are that better releases / patches will be made available in the future.

Practically every PC game that comes out these days requires a patch. Why should it be any different for an OS or drivers?

That's just the PC world. Hey, I don't like it either.. I wish everything were perfect from the get-go; I just don't think that's being totally realistic.

[fatal1ty]

STALKER Preview -

Source: http://www.bit-tech.net/gaming/2007/02/07/stalker_preview/2.html

"In its current state, the game is also pretty buggy, and dies rapidly on Vista, which we're also hoping will be fixed in the weeks up until the end of March."

:p

[fatal1ty]

Ryan from PCPer learns that Vista sucks too.

Source: http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3476

"Do you?!? Do you really?? Cause I don't think so. I spent $400 on a brand new OS so that I could be one with the universe or something and now I don't even have the ability to print double sided color documents across the house??? So to paraphrase, this $100 print server is now useless; thanks!

Windows Vista CAN be a good operating system for users, even today, if everything you have is new or you've checked for software support BEFORE UPGRADING! Otherwise, I'd sit back and chill on your Windows XP machine, knowing that hey, at least your crap works."

:)

[Xion X2]

:rolleyes2

I'm continually amazed by the idiots who ever thought that transitioning to a new OS would be a perfectly smooth experience.

There was just never supposed to be any hurdles whatsoever. All the planets were just supposed to line up perfectly and Bill Gates would cast down his pixie dust upon Vista and the hundreds of thousands of hardware configs in existence, and thus all would be one.

(60s)

[Ancient]

Ryan from PCPer learns that Vista sucks too.

Source: http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3476

"Do you?!? Do you really?? Cause I don't think so. I spent $400 on a brand new OS so that I could be one with the universe or something and now I don't even have the ability to print double sided color documents across the house??? So to paraphrase, this $100 print server is now useless; thanks!

Windows Vista CAN be a good operating system for users, even today, if everything you have is new or you've checked for software support BEFORE UPGRADING! Otherwise, I'd sit back and chill on your Windows XP machine, knowing that hey, at least your crap works."

:)
So this guy made an assumption, Linksys decided not to support his wireless print server, and somehow that means Vista sucks?

Keep in mind that when you jump around making a concerted effort to take a dump on something that you're displaying your @ss the while you're at it.

[Slammin]

Ryan from PCPer learns that Vista sucks too.

Source: http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=3476

"Do you?!? Do you really?? Cause I don't think so. I spent $400 on a brand new OS so that I could be one with the universe or something and now I don't even have the ability to print double sided color documents across the house??? So to paraphrase, this $100 print server is now useless; thanks!

Windows Vista CAN be a good operating system for users, even today, if everything you have is new or you've checked for software support BEFORE UPGRADING! Otherwise, I'd sit back and chill on your Windows XP machine, knowing that hey, at least your crap works."

:)



What does this have to do with Vista 8800 support?

You really need you own personal web site so that you can preach to the world your personal dislike of Vista.

[Treason]

What does this have to do with Vista 8800 support?

You really need you own personal web site so that you can preach to the world your personal dislike of Vista.

Doesn't matter now because he's just been banned.

[jAkUp]

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/windows_vista_nvidia_forceware_performance/page2.asp

[lee63]

I'm continually amazed by the idiots who ever thought that transitioning to a new OS would be a perfectly smooth experience.

So true (lee63)

[$n][pErMan]

If I recall.... XP when it first came out was just as bad and look how good XP turned out as an OS (at least IMO XP was one of the best Windows OS's ever). :)

[Xion X2]

[pErMan']If I recall.... XP when it first came out was just as bad and look how good XP turned out as an OS (at least IMO XP was one of the best Windows OS's ever). :)

Now don't go injecting that logic in here!

:rolleyes:

[Phyxion]

Nice article there :)

"What seems to be the holdup?"

"We have software engineers who do nothing"

[Ancient]

Nice article there :)

"What seems to be the holdup?"

"We have software engineers who do nothing"
There's also the flip-side, the question that wasn't asked:

"Why are people complaining?"

"It's just the attitude of a few malcontents who have little or no idea whatsoever what's involved in writing drivers, who refuse to accept that there are valid reasons why the drivers aren't perfect at this time, who make unfounded assumptions about what we're doing, and who think the entire world revolves around them."

[Riptide]

There wouldn't be near the complaining had NVidia not been touting "Vista Ready". It would've been better if the marketing department had just STFU and said nothing at all, or made a cautionary statement instead.

I have no doubt they are, and have been, working as hard and as fast as possible on their driver support. NVidia isn't alone here, marketing departments often say the darndest things. Yes we should probably have learned long ago to take things with a grain of salt when it's not the engineers doing the talking. That much I agree. But it's still no excuse.

[weeds]

NVIDIA Speaks Out About Vista Support
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=357