Nvidia’s marketing director for the Asia-Pacific region.

[shinrai]

Nvidia’s marketing director for the Asia-Pacific region:

"Ng said that Nvidia has taken back its leading position in performance with the GeForce FX 5800 and delivered significant price/performance with the GeForce FX 5600".

Wow! I must be living on another planet to this guy. No wonder he works for nvidia. If i could spin crap like that they'd hire me immediately.

This really just shows everyone how far these guys are prepared to bend the truth in order sell product and maintain market share and a stable share price.

Ofcourse we don't all agree the above statement is bending the truth a lot but then again, we all don't have blinkers on.

:) :) :)

[nutball]

Can you point me at any marketing-type working for any company anywhere who wouldn't sell their grandmother and pretend they didn't to sell their "product"???

[shinrai]

I have no issues with your point. It's quite valid.

But when i see people like, ahhhh better not say his name (suffice it to say it starts with 'n' and ends with '0'), who defend their allegiance with such vigor but only appear to degrade themselves by their antics, well, it make me want to post.

At least hellbender defends the defendable.

[erwos]

Originally posted by shinrai
Nvidia’s marketing director for the Asia-Pacific region:

"Ng said that Nvidia has taken back its leading position in performance with the GeForce FX 5800 and delivered significant price/performance with the GeForce FX 5600".

Wow! I must be living on another planet to this guy. No wonder he works for nvidia. If i could spin crap like that they'd hire me immediately.

This really just shows everyone how far these guys are prepared to bend the truth in order sell product and maintain market share and a stable share price.
Why? He's not even lying. In some ways, the FX5800 is indeed superior to existing ATI solutions. I'd definitely call it a toss-up between the FX5800 and the R350 at this point. Did you really expect marketing to give ATI the benefit of the doubt? The fact that he said "has taken back" implies that he even thinks ATI had the leading position.

Yes, the dustbuster fan is annoying, but the nearly arbitrary length that you can make shader programs on the FX chips is not something to ignore. Could you imagine trying to write a C++ program, but your functions could only be 48 lines long with 3 loops? I wouldn't even want to try, and even The Carmack (tm) has noted the R350's limitations in this area are quite real.

-Erwos

[Steppy]

Ummm, didn't the f-buffer in the R350 get rid of that restriction and the R350 can now also runs shader programs of virtually any length?

[shinrai]

Carmack did speak about the r300 and not r350 when referring the shader.

One of the few credits they have with the nv30 is at 1600x1200 in UT2003, no AA or AF and and some SS benchies. Talk bandwidth and the nv30 chocks and blows.

[Darth Rancid]

Marketing people...

According to S3 Market guys the Savage2000 wasn't a disaster in any way, not a game compability disaster, not a T&L performance disaster, and certainly not a disaster when it came to sales.

Funny, if it sold good, why did its price fall through the floor and down to the earth's core?...
Also, how come even after the 32Mb Viper II was down to 29 dollars, they still had to dump chip inventory on a bunch of noname companies who flooded the market with barely functional Viper II copies?....

Sounds like a disaster to me. And I owned one.

[PreservedSwine]

Why? He's not even lying. In some ways, the FX5800 is indeed superior to existing ATI solutions. I'd definitely call it a toss-up between the FX5800 and the R350 at this point.

Umm, sure- bench one card on it's lowest quality settings agianst the other at it's highest quality settings......and the one w/ crappier IQ still get outperformed....

You may call it a toss-up, but that's s small crowd to be hanging with....

[Myrmecophagavir]

Originally posted by erwos
Yes, the dustbuster fan is annoying, but the nearly arbitrary length that you can make shader programs on the FX chips is not something to ignore. Could you imagine trying to write a C++ program, but your functions could only be 48 lines long with 3 loops? I wouldn't even want to try, and even The Carmack (tm) has noted the R350's limitations in this area are quite real.No, he noted the R300's limitations in this area. NV30 is going up against the R350 which seems to have worked around this problem, possibly with an even better solution than NV30's.

[muzz]

Originally posted by PreservedSwine
Umm, sure- bench one card on it's lowest quality settings agianst the other at it's highest quality settings......and the one w/ crappier IQ still get outperformed....

You may call it a toss-up, but that's s small crowd to be hanging with....

Hehehehe.......



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Enough people with senses that can fit in a phonebooth is more like it......... and I definitely would NOT even call that phonebooth crowded.

Never ceases to amaze me.

Lan party in a phone booth..... all come and bring your gear... lotsa room.....:rolleyes:

[digitalwanderer]

Has the 5800 Ultra ever beat the 9700 Pro in benchmarks where both are using WHQL certified drivers? Or has it just been beating the 9700 Pro when it uses their "special performance review" driver set?

I'm not flaming, I'm really wondering. Hell, I think I'll start a whole new thread I like that question so much. :)

[ZoinKs!]

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Has the 5800 Ultra ever beat the 9700 Pro in benchmarks where both are using WHQL certified drivers? Or has it just been beating the 9700 Pro when it uses their "special performance review" driver set?

I'm not flaming, I'm really wondering. Hell, I think I'll start a whole new thread I like that question so much. :) AFAIK, there are no WHQL drivers for the geforce fx. Candidates, maybe, but nothing that's passed yet.