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XxDeadlyxX
02-18-07, 03:59 AM
I heard from a friend who already has his 8800 that the 2xQ option in the CP thats been there since GF5(?) is now missing and there's only 2x,4x,8xQ,16. I am wondering if this is true, and if so, is there any way to still force 2xQ?

I'm asking as this is my favourite AA mode by far that I have always used since going Nvidia.

Grestorn
02-18-07, 04:18 AM
I heard from a friend who already has his 8800 that the 2xQ option in the CP thats been there since GF5(?) is now missing and there's only 2x,4x,8xQ,16. I am wondering if this is true, and if so, is there any way to still force 2xQ?

I'm asking as this is my favourite AA mode by far that I have always used since going Nvidia.

2xQ AA mode means 2x Quincunx mode. But this mode just blurrs the image, there's no advantage over 4x or any other higher mode.

This mode is no longer available on the 8800 cards, I'm afraid. But I don't think that anyone really misses it anyway. Check out this comparison and tell me, that you really like the Quincunx mode: http://www.nhancer.com/?dat=d_AAPres

XxDeadlyxX
02-18-07, 04:53 AM
2xQ AA mode means 2x Quincunx mode. But this mode just blurrs the image, there's no advantage over 4x or any other higher mode.

This mode is no longer available on the 8800 cards, I'm afraid. But I don't think that anyone really misses it anyway. Check out this comparison and tell me, that you really like the Quincunx mode: http://www.nhancer.com/?dat=d_AAPres

Thanks for the link, and I have to say yes I do like 2xQuincunx more than 4x, hard to pin down why, I think its because it makes the image look smoother because of the blurring, and it made games appear to run smoother as well, hard to explain. Also I liked it because of no performance hit. Just like why people like 8xQ, I presume.

Because I'm getting 8800GTS, I fear that my fps may be only slightly higher using 4xAA compared to using 2xQ AA on the old 7900gt.

Is there really no hack etc to force? Anyone?

Grestorn
02-18-07, 04:58 AM
Thanks for the link, and I have to say yes I do like 2xQuincunx more than 4x, hard to pin down why, I think its because it makes the image look smoother because of the blurring, and it made games appear to run smoother as well, hard to explain. Also I liked it because of no performance hit. Just like why people like 8xQ, I presume.

Because I'm getting 8800GTS, I fear that my fps may be only slightly higher using 4xAA compared to using 2xQ AA on the old 7900gt.

Is there really no hack etc to force? Anyone?

8xQ is not a Quincunx mode and it doesn't blur the image at all. It's unfortunate that nVidia chose a similar designation for that mode. But the Q in 8xQ stands for "Quality" not for "Quincunx".

It's very rare that someone prefers 2xQ over any other mode. But there's no hack, I'm afraid, since the driver just doesn't support it anymore. And I'm pretty sure that it never will.

XxDeadlyxX
02-18-07, 05:01 AM
8xQ is not a Quincunx mode and it doesn't blur the image at all. It's unfortunate that nVidia chose a similar designation for that mode. But the Q in 8xQ stands for "Quality" not for "Quincunx".

It's very rare that someone prefers 2xQ over any other mode. But there's no hack, I'm afraid, since the driver just doesn't support it anymore. And I'm pretty sure that it never will.

Ahh ok :(

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

SwedX
02-18-07, 05:26 AM
I have never liked Quincunx mode so I never use it beqouse of the blurring!
If I want blurry games i play consoles ;)

Redeemed
02-18-07, 05:41 AM
I *used* to prefer 2xQ AA simply cause (to me) it looked as good as 4xAA but it did not have the performance hit that 4xAA had.

But, now that I'm using dual 8800GTSs- I will settle for nothing less than 16xAA! :p

spaceigg
02-18-07, 09:02 AM
2xQ AA mode means 2x Quincunx mode. But this mode just blurrs the image, there's no advantage over 4x or any other higher mode.

This mode is no longer available on the 8800 cards, I'm afraid. But I don't think that anyone really misses it anyway. Check out this comparison and tell me, that you really like the Quincunx mode: http://www.nhancer.com/?dat=d_AAPres
hey thanks for that link, very cool!

kylekturk
02-18-07, 09:11 AM
Quincunx = http://pop-trash.com/blur/graphics/header3.jpg

Bokishi
02-18-07, 04:29 PM
I hated 2xQ, bluryness made it look like I was playing at non-native res.

grimreefer
02-18-07, 05:10 PM
2x and 4x looks really nice on the geforce 8 series, so they made 2xq obsolete

SLippe
02-18-07, 10:16 PM
With an 8800 card, you should have to use such a low AA setting. Crank it up, FFS! :D

XxDeadlyxX
02-19-07, 08:45 PM
Whoa, just got my 8800, I have to say that 2xAA on this is incredible! It looks FAR better than 7xxx 2xAA in my opinion. I dont even see the need to put it any higher at 1920x1200, which is a good thing, performance ftw :captnkill:

|MaguS|
02-19-07, 08:46 PM
There would be no performance difference between 2xAA and 4xAA on the 8 Series, honestly you are a fool to use 2xAA if you own an 8800GTX.

XxDeadlyxX
02-19-07, 08:52 PM
There would be no performance difference between 2xAA and 4xAA on the 8 Series, honestly you are a fool to use 2xAA if you own an 8800GTX.

I dont own an 8800GTX ;)

Also I see in many reviews that avg FPS for 8800GTS with 4xAA/16xAF is under 60fps, and I like to keep the average above 60fps (Vsync limit).

|MaguS|
02-19-07, 09:06 PM
I dont own an 8800GTX ;)

Also I see in many reviews that avg FPS for 8800GTS with 4xAA/16xAF is under 60fps, and I like to keep the average above 60fps (Vsync limit).

Oh your a FPS *****... I don't care if I hit 60FPS as long as the game plays smooth, 40FPS is usually good enough for me.

Tranceaddict
02-20-07, 03:04 AM
With my 8800 I see very little improvement over 4XAA.

Bman212121
02-20-07, 03:09 AM
I dont own an 8800GTX ;)

Also I see in many reviews that avg FPS for 8800GTS with 4xAA/16xAF is under 60fps, and I like to keep the average above 60fps (Vsync limit).

Tripple Buffering FTW! :) You can still run 4xAA/16xAF and keep 60 fps. :)

nekrosoft13
02-20-07, 07:18 AM
wow, he bought a 8800 series card to play at 2xaa, just wow

i been playing everything at 8xaa

SwedX
02-20-07, 08:02 AM
Why not use 8 CSAA which should have near the same performace impact as the regular 2 AA!

Then you will have 6 times AA for free :)

Redeemed
02-20-07, 08:07 AM
Why not use 8 CSAA which should have near the same performace impact as the regular 2 AA!

Then you will have 6 times AA for free :)

:wtf:

SwedX
02-20-07, 10:35 AM
:wtf:

hehe ..maybe im slightly wrong there but nvidia staded that 16CSAA has almost the same impact as 4 MSAA and then 8CSAA should have roughly the impact as 2MSAA!

Thats what I have read on some review site for the 8800 series but I dont realy know if thats true beqouse I dont have my 8800GTX yet!

XxDeadlyxX
02-20-07, 05:08 PM
Guys you forget I'm running 1920x1200 too, thats no slouch of a res. Also I can hardly notice any aliasing with 2x anyway, so there's no problem :)

Also my CPU does not help overall at all. I only get 6300 in 3DMark06.

I'll try 8x though and see what the performance is like.

sillyeagle
02-20-07, 05:27 PM
hehe ..maybe im slightly wrong there but nvidia staded that 16CSAA has almost the same impact as 4 MSAA and then 8CSAA should have roughly the impact as 2MSAA!


Yeah but it doesn't work quite that way in reality. 16CSAA is a bit slower than 4MSAA, like 10-15%, and on some games 8CSAA runs the same speed as 16CSAA, so 8CSAA is still about 10% slower than 4MSAA. 8CSAA still uses 8 samples, twice that of regular 4x, but the Z/color value sent to memory is the same as with 4x, so its 4MSAA plus and an extra 4 samples, which means it will never be faster than regular 4x.

john19055
02-20-07, 05:41 PM
Why would you want 2XQ when 4x does not cause that big of a hit when running games with a 8800 and it looks better then 2xQ IMO.