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kevJ420
02-22-07, 08:07 PM
i just wanted others' opinions. i think the genesis and super nes aged the best. the ps1 the worst, and i can't think of another one that aged as poorly as the ps1 (which was actually a positive for the ps1, i'll explain.)

genesis aged extremely well, because look at later games like vectorman, adv. batman & r and ristar and a few of the later sega cd games (wild woody, adv batman & robin, eternal champions, many other good looking games in 95, the sega cd's final year.) then in the middle (1991-92) you've got the streets of rage 2, terminator, and jewel master (improved in the middle), then look at some of the 1st games, (forgotten worlds, golden axe aren't very good arcade translations, although most games on genesis with arcade origins weren't good ports either, but anyways) although a lot of the 1st games were impressive b/c the genesis when it first came out (and the turbo grafx/pc engine) blew the nes and master system away, graphics wise. sega and the genesis was what got me into games b/c the nes just didn't have the flash of it's successors. long story made short.

super nes, look at super mario world and final fight 1, then in 95 yoshi's island, chrono trigger, final fight 3 and dkc 2.

playstation aged worst imo b/c it was the most impressive console ever. look at battle arena toshinden1 and tekken 1 and warhawk and the ultra impressive mk3 conversion at the beginning, it made the snes and genesis versions look like ****. then 3 years later still nothing looked significantly better than the launch games. but that's the price of being the most impressive console ever. the ps2 was popular and the ps3 is powerful, but no console was ever as impressive as sony's 1st born console.

Mr. Hunt
02-22-07, 10:54 PM
I think PS2 aged very well... Just look at games like God of War and God of War 2... they look pretty amazing considering how dated the technology is.

|MaguS|
02-22-07, 11:02 PM
playstation aged worst imo b/c it was the most impressive console ever. look at battle arena toshinden1 and tekken 1 and warhawk and the ultra impressive mk3 conversion at the beginning, it made the snes and genesis versions look like ****. then 3 years later still nothing looked significantly better than the launch games. but that's the price of being the most impressive console ever. the ps2 was popular and the ps3 is powerful, but no console was ever as impressive as sony's 1st born console.

So don't agree with this. The PSX aged very well, look at Chrono Cross which was one of the last RPGs to release and looks leaps and beyond better then Beyond the Beyond or even Final Fantasy VII/VIII. Look at the Resident Evils, the first one looks like crap when compared to the third one... or look at Tekken... the original is unplayable when compared to Tekken 3 which for the PSX was able to pull off a very close to arcade look.

buffbiff21
02-22-07, 11:20 PM
Aged the best: SNES/Genesis era. These are the games that I keep gonig back to play. Maybe it was because I grew up on this stuff, but they are my favs.

Aged the worst: pre NES/SMS era. Anything before NES just flat out sucked.

Stoneyguy
02-22-07, 11:30 PM
best:
1)2600 - Pacman, missile command, pitfall, asteroids, ect.
2)NES - Super Mario Bros. and just about any other game by Nintendo

worst:
1)Jaguar - though I only played a few games on it, they sucked when they were new
2)Sega CD - those FMV games were really lame

MustangSVT
02-22-07, 11:37 PM
I think the PS2 has aged pretty well.

The PS2 started ok as far as I'm concerned. Then later in its life (2005) came out Gran Turismo 4, a very good game, and then Guitar Hero and now we've got Guitar Hero II and there have been a few other recent good games like Kingdom Hearts II and some others.

Bad_Boy
02-23-07, 04:13 AM
I think N64 and then PS1 aged the worst, and PS2 aged the best. The first round of 3d graphics just dont hold up like they used to. But the PS2 graphics just kept improving as life went on, more so than the xbox and gamecube imo.

hazindu
02-23-07, 10:35 AM
I think the SNES and the PSX aged the best. I'm still playing games from both systems every now and then.

If your talking about graphics, then no system has or ever will age gracefully, however I would say that the PSX and Saturn by far aged the worst due to their lack of texture filtering.

Edge
02-23-07, 11:08 AM
PS2 probably "aged" the best (although I'd just call it improved the most over it's lifetime), but that's partly just because most of the games that were released early in its lifetime looked pretty horrid. Ugh, how they couldn't manage to get the early games running at a full 640x480 I'll never know, even the Dreamcast could at least manage that feat over a year learly. Saturn definitely applies as well for a similar reason, although the graphics weren't absolutely terrible for their time at launch, but they clearly didn't exploit much of the system's power until my later in the system's life.

As far as games that recieved the smallest upgrade in graphical capability, I'd have to say Gamecube and N64 primarily. They both had some great looking launch games for their time, but the improvements over the 4-5 years from when they were released weren't as drastic as other consoles. Conker on the N64 and RE4 on the Gamecube probably pushed the systems to their limits, but even then you'd kinda expect a bigger jump from the launch games like Mario 64 and Rogue Leader, respectively.

I disagree with the PS1 not increasing much over time however. Metal Gear Solid was a pretty noticable leap above earlier games released for the system, and especially racing games improved quite a bit. Ridge Racer to Gran Tourismo was a pretty good upgrade, and they even had a bonus disc in Ridge Racer 4 that let you play the original Ridge Racer at double the framerate. Although it does seem that it reached its graphical apex in 1998 or so, after that it was pretty stagnant graphically.

thor1182
02-23-07, 11:13 AM
I think the xbox aged pretty well. There were games that certainly looked a lot better towards the end of its life.

Things that improved for the xbox 1:
- Some would say the introduction of the s controllers
- Xbox Live (the current standard for online game play)
- Look at the difference from PGR1 to PGR2
- Halo to Halo 2
- Mechassault to Mech 2 (even though I dislike mech 2 multi, it did look a ton better)

|MaguS|
02-23-07, 11:33 AM
Anyone ever play GT in High Res mode... man that looked AMAZING for a PSX game... sure you were the only car on the track but with the capability to read road signs and a smooth 60FPS not came close at the time.

Zelda_fan
02-23-07, 12:37 PM
SNES
Gameboy

zoomy942
02-23-07, 12:47 PM
pfft. come on guys.. the Dreamcast is the only colsole that isnt even being produced, the creator doesnt want anything to do with it, and people are still creating games for it. talk about aging gracefully. now, the worst? how bout 3DO

kevJ420
02-23-07, 04:11 PM
Everyone gave a great response. I was worried that saturnataku would might close it down. Great points as well. In fact i retract the ps1 aging the worst because i had forgot that gt and tekken 3 both looked pretty damn good in spring 98, magus had a great point. I actually bought tekken 3 the day it came out in 98, and the environments were very large, there was good lighting, the lack of filtering wasn't as apparent as most ps1 games and the models looked great. In fact my friend was very biased against the playstation and even he did say that tekken 3 was pretty damn good. he was a nintendo (64) fanboy if ever there was one.

I'd say the nes and master system aged the worst now.

The playstation 2 was totally unimpressive at launch, I agree w/ the person that made that point and said games looked better for the ps2.

I think xbox and the gc stayed the same mostly, the xbox b/c of it being a pc in a (x)box, which means you already know what you can/can't do from the very beginning.

Finally, the person that said the saturn got better at the end of it's US life made an excellent point. most people would say the saturn sucked b/c it was made by sega and that's just not true. panzer dragoon saga, last u.s. game, may 1998, looked better than just about any ps1 game at the time. w/ the saturn's (complicated, but excellent) architecture, it was never clear what a programmer could do in 3D.

One last thing, the Wii will not age well, technically. Everything about it is either known or can be predicted. It is unique only due to the controller, and that will become stale after a while. Plus no goldeneye on VC, b/c Microsoft owns Rare now. Sony will dominate once again when the price comes down, even thought it's worth it now. The Wii is not for the long term, it will have games which some will think are good, but they won't get better and better.

kevJ420
02-23-07, 04:12 PM
pfft. come on guys.. the Dreamcast is the only colsole that isnt even being produced, the creator doesnt want anything to do with it, and people are still creating games for it. talk about aging gracefully. now, the worst? how bout 3DO

The jaguar and neogeo will also never die.

thor1182
02-23-07, 04:20 PM
its too early to call who will do well this round. I think Sony has shoot itself in the foot to much to do well as easily as it did last time.

Go read the thread on Sony falling out of the console battle. You will see a lot of red flags in the Sony camp for things not being so rosy as you say they are.

Madpistol
02-23-07, 11:17 PM
This is a toughy.

Aging the best would be the Xbox in my opinior. Check the difference between the original Halo and Sega GT 2001, and compare those against Halo2 and Forza Motorsport and Need For Speed: Carbon. There was a massive difference in the shaders used, and the performance on newer titles makes the games much more enjoyable.

Honestly, all the game systems that I've owned have aged really well. I can't think of one that stands out from the rest. I know the Gamecube started out tremendously strong with Rogue Squadron: Rogue Leader and Super Mario Sunshine, but if you compare that to games like Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, the use of newer shaders is very apparent. I would say the visual focus has shifted greatly over the last 4 years. It's shifted from raw triangle count and shadows to visuals that center more around pixel effects (distortion, believable water, color manipulation)

thor1182
02-24-07, 12:50 AM
personally I htink the system that ages the worst is a PC. I know we are not talking about them, but really they do age the worst.

Lets see, I sink 4k into a top of the line PC so I can play games @ native res on my LCD at a good frame rate... but wait, in only 2 months after I finish my PC a new game comes out and pushes me to possibly stop using 16k x 12k res. If I want to keep playing at that res, I have to dish out 800ish every 6 months or less to stay on top to play the newest games... No thanks, I'll, pass.

For my rig seen below, it was F.E.A.R. that pushed my system very close to that line where either I had to sacrifice texture and image quality to keep 16k x 12k or lower the res. I found that Q4 also would occasionally make the frame rates crawl. Also CoX after I8 would kick the piss out of my system, forcing me to lower the rez, or deal with 15 frames per second.

I get a new 360 game, and it will still play fine on my system that I bought last may.

Zelda_fan
02-24-07, 01:32 AM
I'd say the nes and master system aged the worst now.

Saying the NES aged the "worst" is really an uninformed statement.

You are going to tell me with a straight face that there isn't a world of difference between the original Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3?

Zelda_fan
02-24-07, 01:33 AM
One last thing, the Wii will not age well, technically. Everything about it is either known or can be predicted. It is unique only due to the controller, and that will become stale after a while. Plus no goldeneye on VC, b/c Microsoft owns Rare now. Sony will dominate once again when the price comes down, even thought it's worth it now. The Wii is not for the long term, it will have games which some will think are good, but they won't get better and better.

This same horse**** was said about the Wii launch, and Nintendo has proved that dead wrong. The Wii and it's "kiddy games" are here to stay whether you like it or not.

kevJ420
02-24-07, 01:07 PM
Saying the NES aged the "worst" is really an uninformed statement.

You are going to tell me with a straight face that there isn't a world of difference between the original Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario Bros. 3?
look at how much better the then-new genesis was and look at how much better the turbo grafx was. compare shadow dancer to smb3. then smw was released in 90 for the super nes in japan. there's a difference between the smb and smb 3, just not the greatest. also smb3 could be reprogrammed by a small group of people at the time it was released. and that was one of their first projects. so john carmack IS superior to shigeru miyamoto. i like miyamoto and all, but i think his games get too much praise. keep in mind he doesn't work fast at all. sega released 5-star games like bimonthly on average from genesis thru the saturn. after all, beyond oasis and legend of oasis were 1 year apart and they are much better than zelda and 2 of my favorite games ever.

Zelda_fan
02-24-07, 01:36 PM
look at how much better the then-new genesis was and look at how much better the turbo grafx was. compare shadow dancer to smb3. then smw was released in 90 for the super nes in japan. there's a difference between the smb and smb 3, just not the greatest. also smb3 could be reprogrammed by a small group of people at the time it was released. and that was one of their first projects. so john carmack IS superior to shigeru miyamoto. i like miyamoto and all, but i think his games get too much praise. keep in mind he doesn't work fast at all. sega released 5-star games like bimonthly on average from genesis thru the saturn. after all, beyond oasis and legend of oasis were 1 year apart and they are much better than zelda and 2 of my favorite games ever.

Maybe on a technical level, John Carmack is superior meaning that his game engines are capable of producing more "realistic" graphics, but as far as who makes better games, Miyamoto all the way. I don't think anyone will argue that Doom 3 is a better game than Twilight Princess.

Madpistol
02-24-07, 02:00 PM
I don't think anyone will argue that Doom 3 is a better game than Twilight Princess.

I will.

Twilight Princess trounces Doom 3 easily. Twilight is one of the best, if not the best Zelda game to date. Anyone who is into puzzle/adventure games will surely agree.

Not to mention the graphics on Twilight Princess are brilliant for a gamecube game.

Zelda_fan
02-24-07, 02:41 PM
I will.

Twilight Princess trounces Doom 3 easily. Twilight is one of the best, if not the best Zelda game to date. Anyone who is into puzzle/adventure games will surely agree.

Not to mention the graphics on Twilight Princess are brilliant for a gamecube game.

You realize that you're agreeing with me.

OWA
02-24-07, 03:04 PM
I don't think anyone will argue that Doom 3 is a better game than Twilight Princess.
I will! Doom 3 is the best game ever!!! :p j/k (although it is my favorite game but I've never even seen any of the Zelda games)