"Digital Vibrance" on ATI cards?

[G6-200]

Does a utility exist that emulates Nvidia's Digital Vibrance control on ATI hardware?
I recently had a 9700 in my system and could not get over how washed out it looked in Diablo II compared to my Ti-4600 with Digital Vibrance enabled. The colors with DV enabled are far more rich and saturated than what I could produce on the 9700.
I played around with the color adjustments in ATI's control panel to no avail.

G6

[Clockwork]

Originally posted by G6-200
Does a utility exist that emulates Nvidia's Digital Vibrance control on ATI hardware?
I recently had a 9700 in my system and could not get over how washed out it looked in Diablo II compared to my Ti-4600 with Digital Vibrance enabled. The colors with DV enabled are far more rich and saturated than what I could produce on the 9700.
I played around with the color adjustments in ATI's control panel to no avail.

G6

You're joking right?

In my opinion DV makes colors look fake and abnormal (my parents have a Geforce2 MX, lol). ATi on the other hand reproduces the colors the way they are suppose to look. Whites are white, blacks are black. The colors are also extremely vibrant.

Maybe you should check your monitor settings....

[G6-200]

Originally posted by Clockwork


Maybe you should check your monitor settings....

Maybe you should try actually answering my question.

G6

[Woodelf]

I like digital vibrance..
I cant say that I know the exact setting's the game developers intended, but I know what I like to look at.
It's nice to hear that ATI has found a better solution, than to provide the disablable feature to gamers.

[MikeC]

Maybe Powerstrip?

http://www.entechtaiwan.com/ps.htm

[digitalwanderer]

I don't know if it supports digital vibrance or not, but I always use it to tweak my 8500's color & OC it. (Only low-level, but why would I want to do it any other way? :p )

I'm REALLY hoping that the 95/6/7/800 tempts Unwinder to include a lot better ATI support in some upcoming RivaTuners, but that's just a blind wish and ain't based on nothing but hope.

[Kruno]

After seeing how nice and vibrant colours are on my R300, I don't want DV on it. DV seems more of a thing for nVidia cards because the only cards I know that look alright with it enabled are nV cards.

[volt]

There are very few games that look good with DV (and only when set to low or medium...beyond that it's just too much)

[tamattack]

IMO, DV is kind of like the experience you get when you walk into an electronics store and you see all of the TVs are oversaturated on purpose because it makes the image stand out more. Personally, I don't like that image at all, but if you do, then that's your business.

You might want to give Rage3dTweak a try (get it over at Rage3d.com). I think it will give you much finer control over the gamma curves than you can get out of the ATI control panel.

Of course, it may take you a bit of work to skew the gamma curves so badly so as to more closely match DV.

[sbp]

G6: was it just Diablo II that was problematic?


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As we can see some folks like digital vibrance {dv}, while others do not.

I use the digital vibrance medium setting on my GF4 Ti 4600. It comes close {but no cigar} to matching the Radeon card-which I still prefer.

Why is that ATI has rich colors by default, while for Nvidia you got to use DV?

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by volt
There are very few games that look good with DV (and only when set to low or medium...beyond that it's just too much)

From the 4 level settings I'm using level 2 right now.
I use level 3 for games, and level 1/off for digital photography.

I find it hard to believe that ATI will suit all of those need's.

[AnteP]

If unrealistic, neon-ish, oversaturated, baby-crayon colors is yo thang I guess you could just toy around with the gamma and color settings. ;)
It's not like DV does any magic, it just changes those settings.

[gravioli]

Originally posted by AnteP
If unrealistic, neon-ish, oversaturated, baby-crayon colors

Ah yes, my good 'ol Geforce 3 days. :)

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by AnteP
If unrealistic, neon-ish, oversaturated, baby-crayon colors is yo thang I guess you could just toy around with the gamma and color settings. ;)
It's not like DV does any magic, it just changes those settings.

Wow, actually I do compensate with My brightness/gamma settings (not contrast), in order to avoid the "neon".
DV goes up, brightness goes down, along with alittle more gamma. Just to give You the benifit of the doubt, I checked what each settings did, and none of them effected only the brighter colors the way DV does, and no everything I see isn't neon, Like I said, I compensate for that. It's just an extra tool that (it seem's) few know what to do with.

[Megatron]

Originally posted by G6-200
Does a utility exist that emulates Nvidia's Digital Vibrance control on ATI hardware?

I dont think so. Historically ATIs cards have always had good color saturation and have never needed something like DV.

[digitalwanderer]

<FULL RANT MODE>

Y'know what? Not a damned card has gotten the color right for me since my Rage128...not a one. That card just forever stinking spoiled me. The default windows98se desktop was JUST the right shade of Green/blue without any problem.

But..and I mean BUT....

EVERY card since, (Radeon7200, GF2 MX400, Radeon8500, GF3, GF4ti4200; hell, even a V3 I tossed in!), has been just a little off. Usually the nVidia cards tend to be a bit too green/red to me, and the ATI cards are just a bit too blue...but there is no hard and fast rule for me.

I just know that I can spend hours sometimes going nuts trying to get Bubbles & Blue's desktops EXACTLY the way I want it! I will literally sit between the two of them and spin/roll back and forth tweaking 'em to get them right. (Not always, usually not...but sometimes... :rolleyes: )

I think it's just a matter of what you're used to and adapting your new bits to match your old, at least I'm pretty sure it's that way for me. All I know is if'n my desktop ain't just the right shade of green/blue, I am not happy with my tweaking and it ain't done yet.

<END FULL RANT>

Sorry, I know it's silly and probably a waste of time...but it's true. :rolleyes:

[Woodelf]

Really, it's not going to be that big of a deal. I've never owned ATI
and was Just wondering about it. I never said that ATI had bad colors, just that I found it hard to belive that they could synthisize
the vibrant color adjustability of nvidia. If the future is in non-DV card's, so be it.
DV is not going to stop Me from getting My 9800pro 128/256.

[Spiritwalker]

there are a couple of proggies on this site you can test.
Try then and post your impressions

http://www.colorific.com/index.htm

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Spiritwalker
there are a couple of proggies on this site you can test.
Try then and post your impressions

http://www.colorific.com/index.htm


Those came with My card, Theyre just not the same.
Even though, theoretically, they are supposed to provide a correct
image (as though You were looking at the developer's screen), it just doesn't do anything I can't do with My brightness/gamma/contrast settings.

DVC is a patent pending innovation for controlling color
separation and intensity.
http://www.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=feature_dvc

[Rogozhin]

Monitors are the main vice here, hight quality monitors show colors in such a way that the human eye can really percieve that the gray is gray the green is green and the blue is blue. If you are running a crappy monitor then DV will probably look good to you, if you are running a high end monitor then DV is going to make it look like crap. End of Story, Finished, dosveedonya.

rogo

[Woodelf]

Originally posted by Rogozhin
Monitors are the main vice here, hight quality monitors show colors in such a way that the human eye can really percieve that the gray is gray the green is green and the blue is blue. If you are running a crappy monitor then DV will probably look good to you, if you are running a high end monitor then DV is going to make it look like crap. End of Story, Finished, dosveedonya.

rogo

Did you just say that an nvidia card will probably look better on a crappy monitor?.

[G6-200]

Originally posted by Rogozhin
Monitors are the main vice here, hight quality monitors show colors in such a way that the human eye can really percieve that the gray is gray the green is green and the blue is blue. If you are running a crappy monitor then DV will probably look good to you, if you are running a high end monitor then DV is going to make it look like crap. End of Story, Finished, dosveedonya.

rogo

Interestingly enough, I have a very high quality monitor and DV looks great running on it.
I suggest you look at the link Woodelf posted above.

To those that posted constructive information and opinions , I appreciate it!

G6

[Woodelf]

I actually started a thread in the nvidia section, asking about
DV (since We seem to be getting biased remarks). some one
suggested the possibility of DV (like) in the 3.3 drivers comming out.

[UDawg]

Originally posted by G6-200
Maybe you should try actually answering my question.

G6


Doh!

[ZoinKs!]

I saw something about ati adding dv to catalyst, but that was months ago. I don't remember when or where I saw it, and until now haven't seen or heard anything else.

I dismissed it right away because I thought it was a "me too" feature rather than something that's actually needed or useful. Colors with my Radeon and trinitron monitor are good enough as is. Still, if a dv feature improved image quality, I'd welcome it. :afro2: